Christianity VS. Jesus

[SheepMary]

22“Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! 23Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets. Luke 6

26“Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets. Luke 6

18“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. John 15

 

[KittyLinda]

I hear the voice of the deceiver.

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. Heb 3:12

Don't miss the point. For freedom Christ has set us free. That is GREAT news. If you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. 1John 1:9 More GREAT news.
The one who has died has been set free from sin. Rom 6:7 More GREAT news.

Have you received the gift of the Holy Spirit? Ask and you will receive.

Forget theology, theology quenches Holy Spirit, just follow Jesus.

John 8:31-32: you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

He said the truth, not some theology and doctrines of men. The fathers of the protestant reformation do not know much about the bible. We know far more now than what they knew back then, when they were controlled by the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[SheepMary]

Jesus is the truth. I am the way and the truth and the life. John 14:5

 

[KittyLinda]

Hi KittyLinda -- since your comments are aimed at me -- I can comment -- why don't you say what you Really mean. Are All people from NY as rude as You come across as being in Forum? No one made you come on Forum and express your ideas. The Bible IS God. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."

Of Course what the Bible / God's Word says is sinful doesn't seem so bad. That's just satan getting 'in our face'. And, you're right -- No one is without sin. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God".

Christianity does NOT include RCC, Mormonism. The RCC was Not teaching Biblical truth -- That's why there was the Protestant Reformation. The reformers became the Lutheran , Methodist, Presby Church. The Baptist came later.

John 14:6 Jesus Christ is telling that "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father buy by Me."

And, yes, everyone in this Does die -- Jesus Christ being the Son of God -- died for our sins and rose again on the 3rd day. His blood washes away our sin -- salvation is Not part of a cult.

Obviously you don't understand how we came to get God's Word. Originally it was in Greek/ Hebrew and some Aramaic. Translators have made it possible to read it in various languages. And no two languages have the same alphabet. So what we have Now is the closest possible translation from the Original that a person can get.

Yes, there Is the gift of tongues -- but not for the purpose you've given it. I'm glad you're realizing that people don't need to speak in tongues.

I really do believe that you are on a very lonely path spiritually. You don't accept God's Word as The Sole authority. Whatever it is that you think is your spiritual utopia is only going to get lonlier for you.

And, yes, there is a great deal of God's Word To understand. It is living / alive Word of God.

OK. What is it that I really mean? You are the one being rude, and not me.

I assume you pray to the bible, since you now you want to use a verse out of context just to prove yourself right?

The bible records history. Is history God?

Oh so God's word was Greek and Hebrew? Yeah, surely I did not know that until now. Please, quit your silliness.

No where in the bible says we need bible alone or that it is 'The Sole authority.'

But probably there is no room for the Holy Spirit in your tiny Baptist denomination.

 

[KittyLinda]

Of Course what the Bible / God's Word says is sinful doesn't seem so bad. That's just satan getting 'in our face'. And, you're right -- No one is without sin. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God".

Does the bible say smoking a cigarette is sinful?

You assume that bible tells us everything, but it does not. I use psychedelics. Does the bible say that is a sin? I do not think so. I use it for healing and the Holy Spirit did not convict me that it is a sin, and I like coffee too much. Is my addiction to coffee 'sinful' enough? Is it sinful to lie if you were in the military and had to lie to the enemy to protect your loved ones and your country?

I really do believe that you are on a very lonely path spiritually. You don't accept God's Word as The Sole authority. Whatever it is that you think is your spiritual utopia is only going to get lonlier for you.

And, yes, there is a great deal of God's Word To understand. It is living / alive Word of God.

Not looking for spiritual utopia, and lonely path does not always mean it is going to be sad. It just means it is not the Orthodex way, and it is going to be difficult but more rewarding because God is all I need and I already have him.

 

[Sue D.]

God's Word Does say that the body of the born again believer is the temple of the Holy spirit -- Colossians 3:17 "And whatever you do in word or deed , do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."

Even the secular world recognizes that cigarette smoke is harmful to the lungs -- all the chemicals in the cigarettes. The nicotene is additive.

God also gave us common sense. Is holding my hand over an open flame a sin? No -- but it burns my hand and potentially leaves burn marks.

psychedelics are hallucingens -- changes a persons perceptions, mood, cognitive processes. Altering a persons' thinking, sense of time and emotions. I assume you're under a doctors care when you take them? Or are you on illicite drugs. Apparently you have a psychological problem. Maybe being bi-polar. My oldest daughter ran into some problems and started developing being bi-polar -- A psychiatrist and strong meds for a while.

My late husband developed a 'thing' for coffee in the military -- developed caffeine dependency. He developed caffeine withdrawl if he didn't have at least 5 large cups of coffee every day.

Telling the truth is always the best. I'd rather be known for telling the truth than being doubted by being caught in a lie. People usually respect honesty. If you were in a situation where you would be killed for taking a stand For Jesus Christ -- would you be willing to give your life For Christ?

Being a dying patriot would be better than lying to save your neck. Your family and even the enemy knows the truth when they hear it. And they can tell a liar as well.

We Have been given the Ten Commandments. How about 'Thou shalt not lie / bear false witness"

It doesn't sound like you have much of Anything

 

[SheepMary]

Does the bible say smoking a cigarette is sinful?

You assume that bible tells us everything, but it does not. I use psychedelics. Does the bible say that is a sin? I do not think so. I use it for healing and the Holy Spirit did not convict me that it is a sin, and I like coffee too much. Is my addiction to coffee 'sinful' enough? Is it sinful to lie if you were in the military and had to lie to the enemy to protect your loved ones and your country?




Not looking for spiritual utopia, and lonely path does not always mean it is going to be sad. It just means it is not the Orthodex way, and it is going to be difficult but more rewarding because God is all I need and I already have him.

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The Holy Bible is our only and absolute authority- it is Jesus.

Every Word of God proves true. Prov 30:5
...for You have exalted above all things Your name and Your Word. Psa 138:2
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness... 2 Tim 3:16
For the Word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Heb 4:12

Jesus Christ is the Word of God; Jesus Christ IS the Holy Bible; and He is absolute. Holy Spirit will ONLY lead you to Jesus. Holy Spirit does not lead anyone, anywhere other than Jesus. Holy Spirit is God; Jesus is God.

48The one who rejects Me and does not receive My Words has a judge; the Word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. John 12:48
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, 2 Tim 4:1
(God)...but now He commands all people everywhere to repent for He has fixed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by a Man whom He has appointed and of that He has given assurance to all by raising Him from the dead. Acts 17:31

You're deceived: you think you have God and that you're right with Him but that is not true. You are living completely in sin for your flesh & indulging in sensual things. You are a slave to sin. God is merciful, but He will not endure your ways forever. Repent and return to the Lord.

34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 8

Jesus died for sin; He told us boldly & plainly more than once "Do not sin." (If your hand causes you to sin cut it off and throw it away.) God will judge all sin.

Drugs are sin. Smoking is sin. Everything that is above God or keeps you from God or takes precedents over God is a sin; it's idolatry. You are still in your sinful flesh. God calls drugs/alcohol "sorcery" and use of these altering things is sin of pharmakia; smoking and coffee addiction is the same. All of this is sin. You must depart from it. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, we do not pollute God's temple. God hates smoke in His nostrils.

Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Rom6:1-2 We commanded to be dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. Choose this day whom you will serve.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it have a good understanding. His praise endures forever! Psa 111:10

But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” 2 Tim 2:19
And everyone who thus hopes in Him purifies himself as He is pure. 1 John 3:3

Lying is also sin. Do not lie for any reason, let yourself be killed and wake up at the feet of Jesus. Die in your lies and wake up in hell. Do not account your life as precious instead love not your life until death.

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death Rev 21:8

Go now before the throne of grace and ask for God's help and mercy in your time of need. He is able to set you free of your sins and reconcile you to HImself in Jesus. If you were already reconciled to God you would not be able to persist in sin; you have not been converted.

No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 1 John 3:9
No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 1 John 3:6

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matt 7:21
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son will not see life for the wrath of God remains upon Him. John 3:36

I hope this helps you. Go now and fall at the feet of Jesus and ask Him to free you from your sins and give you life in Him. Learn His ways. Read your Holy Bible every day and believe it with the belief of a little child. Stay in the New Testament (Matt - Revelation) and Psalms and Proverbs until God gives you understanding and when you have been given understanding enjoy the entire Holy Bible.

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[Enxu]

I am addressing this to the OP alone and will not reply anyone who contends with me about what I'm saying.

You have been shown that theology is not the way to knowing God, and it isn't. Theology is established for the purpose of elevating a selected group of educated elites to the top so they are in control of what is being taught as the truth - this is the work of the devil.

The Scriptures is written by men under the inspiration of God, and the purpose of Scripture is highlighted as follows:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

You do not need a theology school to learn Scriptures, there were no theology schools in the apostles' time and they had no problem understanding what the Scriptures said. Everyone who was born of God shared the same understanding of Scriptures and there was no division of teachings among the early church.

What your ultimate purpose in studying the Scriptures is to know what God required of us, and it is to live a life of selfless love shown through our deeds. This kind of lifestyle is against human nature of self seeking and greed, that is why you and I need the Spirit of God to empower us. We are creatures of habit, the more we practise selflessness, the more we become righteous. The more we practise selfishness, the more corrupted we become. What we do on a daily basis as a habit is very important because it will shape our character for good or evil. Jesus came to die for our sins so we no longer practise it as a habit, that is our mandate.

 

[Enxu]

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[Sue D.]

You have a poor concept of theology.

 

[Sue D.]

Because Of Jesus / God -- we Have 'theology'. Doctrine.

 

[Enxu]

You have a poor concept of theology.

I am talking about the conflicting and schism of theological schools of Calvinism, Arminism, Mormonism etc etc. These things are not the inspiration or work of God, it is based on conflicting manmade interpretations of the Gospel message and the bad fruit of it is division of the church and contentions.

 

[Sue D.]

With That I would agree. Calvinism / Arminism Are defintely man-made and lots of people make a huge deal out of that. Mormonism is a cult. Nothing Biblical about it.

But 'that' is Not theology.

 

[KittyLinda]

God's Word Does say that the body of the born again believer is the temple of the Holy spirit -- Colossians 3:17 "And whatever you do in word or deed , do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."

Even the secular world recognizes that cigarette smoke is harmful to the lungs -- all the chemicals in the cigarettes. The nicotene is additive.

God also gave us common sense. Is holding my hand over an open flame a sin? No -- but it burns my hand and potentially leaves burn marks.

psychedelics are hallucingens -- changes a persons perceptions, mood, cognitive processes. Altering a persons' thinking, sense of time and emotions. I assume you're under a doctors care when you take them? Or are you on illicite drugs. Apparently you have a psychological problem. Maybe being bi-polar. My oldest daughter ran into some problems and started developing being bi-polar -- A psychiatrist and strong meds for a while.

My late husband developed a 'thing' for coffee in the military -- developed caffeine dependency. He developed caffeine withdrawl if he didn't have at least 5 large cups of coffee every day.

Telling the truth is always the best. I'd rather be known for telling the truth than being doubted by being caught in a lie. People usually respect honesty. If you were in a situation where you would be killed for taking a stand For Jesus Christ -- would you be willing to give your life For Christ?

Being a dying patriot would be better than lying to save your neck. Your family and even the enemy knows the truth when they hear it. And they can tell a liar as well.

We Have been given the Ten Commandments. How about 'Thou shalt not lie / bear false witness"

It doesn't sound like you have much of Anything

You look at these questions from a very narrow point of view. I was not saying cigarettes are not harmful or that you should not try to quit. The point is when people want to quit these cigarettes, they will take some time. My father who is also a Pastor smoked cigarettes for nearly 35 years. In fact, these are bad habits. It is not necessarily a sin. You have no biblical proof anyway. You can only make conclusions, so do not preach nonsense to me.

I do not find any common sense in what you say. I use psychedelic therapy to treat a chronic pain and sometimes for spiritual use. These natural psychedelics are also not for everyone. We have been using psychedelic plants, since ancient times. This is the United States and there is no power that can take away my medicine or my natural right to heal my body. Do not tell me what I can put in my body. I own it. The likes of you who are more likely to accept vaccines in your body rather than a natural plant is so very hypocritical.

Besides your last question, I’ll save myself and those I love. You go ahead and try to be a Christian martyr if you want. It does not sound like you have the guts to do it anyway, but Christ was my sacrifice and I thank the Lord that no further sacrifice is required for my sins. He said it is done and finished. All of you in the salvation cult can have at it and you can't keep me away from Christ in all my 'deadly' sins.

If I have God, then I do not need ‘much’ of anything else. This is why I left your salvation/purity cult. God accepts me the way I am. No sin will sperate me from him. Enjoy your dead religion with those who agree with you.

 

[KittyLinda]

Jesus Christ is the Word of God; Jesus Christ IS the Holy Bible; and He is absolute. Holy Spirit will ONLY lead you to Jesus. Holy Spirit does not lead anyone, anywhere other than Jesus. Holy Spirit is God; Jesus is God.

Jesus is not the bible. Jesus is the living word. The bible is an apostolic tradition.

You're deceived: you think you have God and that you're right with Him but that is not true. You are living completely in sin for your flesh & indulging in sensual things. You are a slave to sin. God is merciful, but He will not endure your ways forever. Repent and return to the Lord.

I am actually 'perfect' in Jesus. You are not my spiritual authority. Go back to your Sunday school and study for few years so you can start a denomination or another purity cult.

Jesus died for sin; He told us boldly & plainly more than once "Do not sin." (If your hand causes you to sin cut it off and throw it away.) God will judge all sin.

Good. Let's start with you, hypocrite. Let's chop off one finger.

Drugs are sin. Smoking is sin. Everything that is above God or keeps you from God or takes precedents over God is a sin; it's idolatry. You are still in your sinful flesh. God calls drugs/alcohol "sorcery" and use of these altering things is sin of pharmakia; smoking and coffee addiction is the same. All of this is sin. You must depart from it. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, we do not pollute God's temple. God hates smoke in His nostrils.

Ignorance is also sin. Here you have it. A fundamentalist who thinks alcohol is witchcraft. Wow!

Lying is also sin. Do not lie for any reason, let yourself be killed and wake up at the feet of Jesus. Die in your lies and wake up in hell. Do not account your life as precious instead love not your life until death.

Here it is. Fundamentalists will have you killed if you join their cult.

 

[Sue D.]

I'm Not preaching any Nonsence to you. Just common sense -- don't start smoking in the 1st place. It's horrible on a person's health. The same thing could be said for alcoholic beverages. There Are those who Can do social drinking and not have it affect them -- and there are those who take that 1st drink and are in trouble. The 'solution' don't take that 1st one and you'll not have to worry about potentially being an addict.

By the way -- I have No intention of accepting any future vaccine for COVID or anything else.

WOW -- oh my goodness -- that's all that I can think of saying -- "the salvation/ purity cult" -- Your entire attitude shows that you're on 'something' -- might be helping your chronic pain situation -- but for spiritual use -- No.

I'll just ignore the rest of your negative comments.

 

[KittyLinda]

I'm Not preaching any Nonsence to you. Just common sense -- don't start smoking in the 1st place. It's horrible on a person's health. The same thing could be said for alcoholic beverages. There Are those who Can do social drinking and not have it affect them -- and there are those who take that 1st drink and are in trouble. The 'solution' don't take that 1st one and you'll not have to worry about potentially being an addict.

By the way -- I have No intention of accepting any future vaccine for COVID or anything else.

WOW -- oh my goodness -- that's all that I can think of saying -- "the salvation/ purity cult" -- Your entire attitude shows that you're on 'something' -- might be helping your chronic pain situation -- but for spiritual use -- No.

I'll just ignore the rest of your negative comments.

I do not smoke cigarettes and I do not like alcohol anyway.

I am writing a book about psychedelics. So far it is about 290 pages. It also records my two arrests and how I challenged authorities. I can open another thread and show you the benefits from academic and medical sources and I can show you how we used them spiritually since ancient times. My experience with ayahuasca was very enlightening and powerful. A shaman/experienced healer treated my depression in only 4 days and it worked fabulously, while these SSRIs I used for years now, and just did not help much, until now little of Cannabis can immediately stop my panic attacks and depression, while SSRIs takes months to kick in with so many side effects.

My comments are not more negative than yours and I am not on anything unnatural, perhaps you are. Also, last time you said I have psychological problems and shaming me for it. I feel sad for your daughter if this is how you treat people with mental illness. You also sound narcissistic.

 

[Sue D.]

My husband and I saw she had problems and where they came from -- he was able to get her the psychiatric help she needed and made sure her meds were taken on time -- she was staying next door to us. Gradually she has gotten better. Her older son , our grandson had gotten in with some neighborhood kids who were also at the same school. They got involved with the 'choking /fainting game' -- our grandson became a victim - he was almost 14. Her former husband needed someone to blame -- so he blamed her and us -- she was home schooling so she was the adult in charge. They all needed family counseling but their Dad wouldn't go for it. He served her with divorce papers instead. Instead of ruling their sons' death as accidental -- it was ruled suiside -- Debs felt like her world ended. Here she was down the hall when her son had accidentally hung himself. Greg told us that if we resisted the divorce that he would make it as nasty as possible. Which he did. We had all been fairly close until that happened. We requested the judge to order family counseling instead of granting the divorce. A nastiness came out in Greg that we'd never suspected was there. He'd been like a big-brother to our kids. that divorced messed up my kids and us, pretty bad. Which is why I ended up in counseling myself for about 2 yrs. After That I was Finally in a Good place in life.

Let's stop taking 'pot shots' at me.. I've been challenging you out of concern. No need for name-calling or trying to sound like an expert / narcissistic.

Your personality here on Forum is Not attracting me To Christ. And isn't that what born-again believers are supposed to be doing? Living a life that draws people To Christ?

Okay -- you're writting a book about your experiences -- academic and medical sources. I grew up with medical. And yes, I'm aware of the medical benefits of smoking pot. It would be on a case-by-case situation. There Are some authentic uses -- needs being met -- but only as a last resort. It is too easily misused. Too easily leading to more potent drugs with addiction problems.

Will sign out of this conversation.

 

[KittyLinda]

Let's stop taking 'pot shots' at me.. I've been challenging you out of concern. No need for name-calling or trying to sound like an expert / narcissistic.

Your personality here on Forum is Not attracting me To Christ. And isn't that what born-again believers are supposed to be doing? Living a life that draws people To Christ?

Okay -- you're writting a book about your experiences -- academic and medical sources. I grew up with medical. And yes, I'm aware of the medical benefits of smoking pot. It would be on a case-by-case situation. There Are some authentic uses -- needs being met -- but only as a last resort. It is too easily misused. Too easily leading to more potent drugs with addiction problems.

Will sign out of this conversation.

First, I am very sorry for this crisis in your own family. Life can be so difficult, and I said in the OP that I am going through a very difficult time now, so please do not judge me harshly, because I feel I have the right to defend my stance, especially after losing too much for my faith. Besides, I do not deny my problem and addictions. I am not saying drugs are good or helpful. I am saying I am using it to cope with life. I hope it is clear by now.

Yes, we are supposed to draw people to Christ. I tried that after becoming a Christian, and I lost my partner and the father of my daughter for it. He dumped me and there is a very low chance we can work it out now. Apparently, fundamental Christianity does not draw/attract people to Jesus. It was also the reason my first marriage ended. If I do not take a lesson from this, then I'll never will. Christianity is something and Jesus is God. Our lord wants us to speak in love, but when you are adding to my wounds now, then do not expect I will turn the cheek every time.

I'll also sign out from this conversation. Apparently, you can never be a bit kinder.

 

[Gregoryp]

Ahh, A new age Christian. They have rejected the bible and used all sorts of "spiritual" dogma to justify there behaviour. Totally satanic.