Christians & Demon Possession

[stijmonkey]

Yes he had this authority because he did believe in Jesus which is why he followed him, he then later began to see that Jesus was not matching what he thought to be the true Messiah which is when he lost whatever faith he had and let Satan gain some influence in his life which was when he decided to betray Jesus, John 13:2 the evening meal was being served and the devil already prompted Judas Iscariot son of Simon to betray Jesus

Also even if he did not believe in Jesus at the beginning then he was one of the few who was (even though he may not have believed) appointed directly from Jesus and given such authority anyway and only a few were directly given this authority with the possibility of not actually having christ in them( mark 3:13-15) when Jesus directly gives the 12 this authority and In one other instance when he gives 70(I think) people direct authority these are the only examples of this happening the rest of us must have the authority of christ within us, and this is only a few not many as it says in Matthew 7 I believe this scripture still stands

 

[Brother Mike]

Praise God everyone.

Well.....I did not tell the Whole Story... I was not as.. um... willing as I should have been... so here it is..

Rizen1

To God be the glory. What a testimony this man can share.
The power of God just makes me want to shout and dance.
Brother Mike because of your obedience God was able to use you.

I was living in a homeless shelter... this guy came in almost every night out of his mind.. everyone just ignored him and stayed cleared of him..

I was in the back room where they had books and games playing electronic battleship.. When the man came in crying out (In front of the reception area) The Lord spoke to me.. (Not a voice but inside) He asked me "Are you going to do something about that?" I told the Lord that I was playing battleship... and that the guy was crazy..

The Lord asked me again... "Are you going to do something about that?"

I told the Lord I would pray for him.. after my game of battle ship against the computer....

The Lord said this... "You know, Your the only one I have here that can help him"..

So I walked out front with about 40 men just staring at this crazy guy and me... I walked over and grabbed his shoulders and spun him around and said.. "Look at me, I am anointed of God to help you."

I bound the demon that was tormenting him.. right in front of everyone... and the guy started to blink and cry.. saying over and over "The Monster is gone!!!"

I took the guy to the back room where my battleship was waiting... and another guy was in there.. He started to scream at me...

You can't cast me out!!! you can't cast me out!!!

The man then ran out the door, and out the building.. I was just stunned...

(The anointing of God must have been strong on me, it was all pretty crazy.)

I sat down and talked with the guy got him on course (I fully hope and believe) while the other men waited outside the hall just staring.. that opened a door for me to speak the word and answer question for about 3 hours..


I want to make some points....

1) The man came many nights.. but not once did the Lord deal with me to do something.. Though I had thought about it... I did not have the GO!! to do that... Remember Paul allowed that fortune teller to follow him several days before casting out that devil... I believe he was waiting on direction from the Holy Spirit... A good lesson to everyone before we try to do things like this.

2) Everything that happened was just because God got directly involved... I had nothing to do with it.. and wish I had responded the first time... If we step out in faith with direction from God... not holding back... Amazing things can happen for us, and be a major blessing to those that surround us.

3) Resist the devil!!! get your thought life in control, cast down those thoughts against the word.. don't meditate on the devils junk, or he will get a place. Submit to God... do what you know to do...
That is how we defeat the devil.... with the word.. and submitting to God... Just like Jesus our example did in the desert.

A man of God saw how bad the devil had hurt this young child.. He went to God and said.. What is the best way to hurt the devil.... God spoke to him... "Do to the devil, what you do to me, and he will never bother you again."

What do we do to you God?? The man asked...

God "Don't listen to him!!!"

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[David777]

Interesting topic.

I agree with Chad's initial argument. But I think there may be another layer to this proposition.

What about the influence of the devil upon believers, not so much possession? It becomes rather difficult to distinguish these two distinct categories.

I have no doubt that Christians have in the past and present been strongly influenced by the satanic realm.

 

[lioncub]

...get your thought life in control, cast down those thoughts against the word.. don't meditate on the devils junk, or he will get a place.

Are you referring to 'intrusive thoughts' ?

 

[rizen1]

Thanks for sharing with us brother mike, we can learn a lot from this.

I want to make some points....

1) The man came many nights.. but not once did the Lord deal with me to do something.. Though I had thought about it... I did not have the GO!! to do that... Remember Paul allowed that fortune teller to follow him several days before casting out that devil... I believe he was waiting on direction from the Holy Spirit... A good lesson to everyone before we try to do things like this.

2) Everything that happened was just because God got directly involved... I had nothing to do with it.. and wish I had responded the first time... If we step out in faith with direction from God... not holding back... Amazing things can happen for us, and be a major blessing to those that surround us.

3) Resist the devil!!! get your thought life in control, cast down those thoughts against the word.. don't meditate on the devils junk, or he will get a place. Submit to God... do what you know to do...
That is how we defeat the devil.... with the word.. and submitting to God... Just like Jesus our example did in the desert.

I've been guilty of not listening and it never feels good when you're disobedient.

lioncub
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Mike
...get your thought life in control, cast down those thoughts against the word.. don't meditate on the devils junk, or he will get a place.

Are you referring to 'intrusive thoughts' ?

Intrusive thoughts are unwelcome involuntary thoughts, images, or unpleasant ideas that may become obsessions, are upsetting or distressing, and can be difficult to manage or eliminate..wikipedia


Get your thoughts in control , don't meditate on devil junk

Romans 8:5-8
King James Version (KJV)
5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity[a] that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

Titus 1:15
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.

Romans 12:16
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

cast down those thoughts against the word

2 Timothy 3:16-1 (NET)
3:16 Every scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Character of the New Man
Col.3
12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do. 14 But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection. 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
Romans 12

Living Sacrifices to God

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

The New Man
Ephesians 4
17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of[d] the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

or he will get a place

1Peter 5: 8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring
lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

 

[Brother Mike]

Influenced.......

Thank you for those Scriptures Rizen1............ I guess I get lazy.. but you hit most the ones I was thinking about...

David777

What about the influence of the devil upon believers, not so much possession? It becomes rather difficult to distinguish these two distinct categories.

I have no doubt that Christians have in the past and present been strongly influenced by the satanic realm.

There is no reason to attempt to distinguish these... Possession or oppression. We have no idea what it is that becomes possessed, or whats the difference of Oppressed. These are terms for the unlearned to ask about.

daimonizomai Means to be vexed, Possessed.. Strongs..
Thayer: 1) to be under the power of a demon.

So the word just denotes to be under the power of a devil, that is all. It does not give a reference to having control of the spirit man, or filling a human spirit... Just means under the control of....

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


Any control a devil has in one's life, would be considered Daimonizomai or possessed.

Taken captive, means just that, under control of a devil. Any place the devil can get, He will take it. Anyone can give such a place to a satanic spirit to where they even lose their ability to think.. The unsaved and saved.

Trying to decide If a person is possessed in their spirit or just oppresed in the mind is for the amateur's in the Word. Scripture does not denote any difference, or tell us where the control takes place.

I was at prayer, and a born again, spirit filled women fell on the floor screaming satanic stuff.... What happened?? Under the anointing that spirit she gave place to manifested in fear... Nobody was able to talk to her, or get her to understand anything... that spirit was speaking through her.....

The main thing, is be led by the Spirit of God, these things are real, and don't be so quick to just operate under the flesh trying to cast everything out in the name of Jesus.. That is motivated by fear, and lack of knowing what else to do... God has the solution.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[stijmonkey]

Awesome Scriptures rizen and Mike, you said In a very straight forward and simple manner what I've been trying to say the entire time and by simply using Scriptures that i seemed to have overlooked, I'm trying to teach and I'm still being schooled, thank you so much guys you have no idea what kind of trouble replying to these threads has kept me out of, praise Jesus and God Bless everyone here

 

[lioncub]

Thank you for those Scriptures Rizen1............ I guess I get lazy.. but you hit most the ones I was thinking about...

David777
There is no reason to attempt to distinguish these... Possession or oppression. We have no idea what it is that becomes possessed, or whats the difference of Oppressed. These are terms for the unlearned to ask about.

daimonizomai Means to be vexed, Possessed.. Strongs..
Thayer: 1) to be under the power of a demon.

So the word just denotes to be under the power of a devil, that is all. It does not give a reference to having control of the spirit man, or filling a human spirit... Just means under the control of....

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


Any control a devil has in one's life, would be considered Daimonizomai or possessed.

Taken captive, means just that, under control of a devil. Any place the devil can get, He will take it. Anyone can give such a place to a satanic spirit to where they even lose their ability to think.. The unsaved and saved.

Trying to decide If a person is possessed in their spirit or just oppresed in the mind is for the amateur's in the Word. Scripture does not denote any difference, or tell us where the control takes place.

I was at prayer, and a born again, spirit filled women fell on the floor screaming satanic stuff.... What happened?? Under the anointing that spirit she gave place to manifested in fear... Nobody was able to talk to her, or get her to understand anything... that spirit was speaking through her.....

The main thing, is be led by the Spirit of God, these things are real, and don't be so quick to just operate under the flesh trying to cast everything out in the name of Jesus.. That is motivated by fear, and lack of knowing what else to do... God has the solution.

Jesus Is Lord.

I disagree. To suggest that there is no difference between possession, which implies ownership, and oppression with a born again christian, I think you are treading on dangerous ground. I personally would not use the term 'oppression' as this is unclear. The enemy can certainly tempt a born again christian that is clear from scripture and 'tempt' is the term that scripture uses.

Mt 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mt 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Why would God allow the enemy the power to take ownership over His temple or house ? The answer is, He doesn't !

By the way, I think you have a definitional problem. Since, you don't accept that a born again believer will always speak in tongues, which is a clear sign that God is present in that person's life, you are left with a serious lack of clarity about who is born again and who is not. An issue which many others have, who choose to ignore the clear sign that God gives to every born again christian. The example that you give of the lady who apparently was possessed could not have been born again !

 

[jari]

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Bro..

These verses dont say the person would be controlled by the devil. It just says "snare of the devil" which has nothing do being spiritually effected because how can having bad report from those outside cause one to be inflicted by demons?

And taken captive just refers to those who dont know the truth.

2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

and hence not knowing truth and God's will they are doing devil's will.

Also notice:

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

This is something they self may recover from. Soon as they know the truth!

 

[jari]

Yes he had this authority because he did believe in Jesus which is why he followed him, he then later began to see that Jesus was not matching what he thought to be the true Messiah which is when he lost whatever faith he had and let Satan gain some influence in his life which was when he decided to betray Jesus, John 13:2 the evening meal was being served and the devil already prompted Judas Iscariot son of Simon to betray Jesus

Also even if he did not believe in Jesus at the beginning then he was one of the few who was (even though he may not have believed) appointed directly from Jesus and given such authority anyway and only a few were directly given this authority with the possibility of not actually having christ in them( mark 3:13-15) when Jesus directly gives the 12 this authority and In one other instance when he gives 70(I think) people direct authority these are the only examples of this happening the rest of us must have the authority of christ within us, and this is only a few not many as it says in Matthew 7 I believe this scripture still stands

I still think Matther 7 doesnt talk about born again people.

please see what Jesus says after that:

Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

He was saying you need to build using God's word, building on a rock.

So the people didn't care about actual teachings of God's word, to build their life using them. Which is why I think they never really knew Jesus either. As they have no interest on this. They only had power from God. But not faith in Jesus as their savior.
Just like the jews didnt and couldnt yet believe in Jesus as their savior before he was crucified and risen.
Some probably even afterwards didnt believe. Especially those who were offended at Jesus in Joh 6. Here's really good verse about disciples sticking with Jesus because he has the words of eternal life, when they didnt yet understand that Jesus was going to die for them or what it fully meant: Joh 6:65-68

Similar teaching is found in here:

Luk 13:26-27 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. (27) But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.


Again people have merely "eaten and drunk" in Jesus presence. Which many people did when Jesus was on earth teaching.
But Jesus never knew them ", I know you not whence ye are".


So like we know its not merely ackowleding Jesus that makes one born again. Its actually believing in Him that saves you, and after that we can understand better everything He teaches.

These people had no interest on knowing God's word. They were like the foolishman who built his house on sand.

They didnt believe in Jesus as their savior. They never believed he was a savior for them.

Your right about Jesus having many followers. However most of them left jesus at one point except the disciples who also left Jesus when He was captured.
After that when Jesus was risen He came them the holy spirit.

Joh 20:21-23 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. (22) And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: (23) Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 

[stijmonkey]

I still think Matther 7 doesnt talk about born again people.

please see what Jesus says after that:

Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

He was saying you need to build using God's word, building on a rock.

So the people didn't care about actual teachings of God's word, to build their life using them. Which is why I think they never really knew Jesus either. As they have no interest on this. They only had power from God. But not faith in Jesus as their savior.

Im sorry i still have to disagree look at the verse right before Mat 7:24 "anyone who listens to my teaching and follows it is wise, like a person who biulds a house on solid rock" he is now making a completely different point to the people he was teaching, he was saying that if they if they listened to what he just taught and followed it then they would be wise and have a string foundation he then goes on the explain the importance of this, he was not talking about the people mentioned in verse 21.

Also unlike the other similar teaching you quoted the people in verse 21 did not just eat and drink with him and see him teach they called him Lord, Lord meaning they didnt just acknowledge him they believed and had faith in him, they didnt just say Lord they emphasized it saying Lord, Lord indicating they were genuine in their Faith in him.

 

[jari]

Im sorry i still have to disagree look at the verse right before Mat 7:24 "anyone who listens to my teaching and follows it is wise, like a person who biulds a house on solid rock" he is now making a completely different point to the people he was teaching, he was saying that if they if they listened to what he just taught and followed it then they would be wise and have a string foundation he then goes on the explain the importance of this, he was not talking about the people mentioned in verse 21.

Also unlike the other similar teaching you quoted the people in verse 21 did not just eat and drink with him and see him teach they called him Lord, Lord meaning they didnt just acknowledge him they believed and had faith in him, they didnt just say Lord they emphasized it saying Lord, Lord indicating they were genuine in their Faith in him.

Yes they believed He was the Lord. But did they care about Him otherwise at all? Had they been born gain, had they been saved?

The reason they were workers of lawlesness I believe is because they didnt build on the rock, they didnt take heed of His words.

 

[stijmonkey]

I believe they did care, to a point, they were prophesying for him after all, their issue didnt lie with not being saved but with not doing Gods will. the second part of verse 21 one clearly states "only those who actually do the will of my Father in Heaven will enter" even if they were born again.

 

[jari]

I believe they did care, to a point, they were prophesying for him after all, their issue didnt lie with not being saved but with not doing Gods will. the second part of verse 21 one clearly states "only those who actually do the will of my Father in Heaven will enter" even if they were born again.

Yes but how could they do God's will if they dont "know" Jesus? For that you must be born again.
And still doing God's will is not requirement for salvation its just result of believing in Him.


And in Verse 15 did mention the false prophets:
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

And he talks about them all the way till verse 21.

So yeah those were false prophets. Although it does say they did miracles in Jesus name, interesting isnt it.

 

[stijmonkey]

Yes but how could they do God's will if they dont "know" Jesus? For that you must be born again.
And still doing God's will is not requirement for salvation its just result of believing in Him.

Your right i dont believe they couldve done Gods will if they were not born again, you will see no argument from me there, and yes in most cases it is a result believing in him but it is NOT always the case, if someone genuinely accepts Jesus as their savior but afterward do not persue him any further or if later in life their faith is shaken somehow and they stop believing then they can no longer be doing his will

Also you just clearly contradicted the scripture and Jesus for he clearly says that yes if you do not do the Lords will then you will not enter Heaven therefore losing your salvation, the reason they were practicing lawlessness is not because they didnt truly believe it was because they were not doing his will. Please read this scripture a little closer and without any pre-assumptions Jesus Plainly says you must do the will of the Father not simply call him Lord, Lord.

 

[stijmonkey]

Oh and it says you can identify those false prophets by their fruits and casting out demons prophesying his name and performing miracles for his glory all seem like good fruit to me, just a thought, also interesting is it not?

 

[jari]

Your right i dont believe they couldve done Gods will if they were not born again, you will see no argument from me there, and yes in most cases it is a result believing in him but it is NOT always the case, if someone genuinely accepts Jesus as their savior but afterward do not persue him any further or if later in life their faith is shaken somehow and they stop believing then they can no longer be doing his will

I dont think any born-again christian can stop beliving.. but they certainly wont do God's will if they dont seek to know it and to know Lord too.
But that does not mean they would loose their salvation.
And Jesus will bring them back.


I'm still of the opinion that when bible says "I never knew you" it means never. otherwise it would be illogical and I just cant except that. For God is not author confusion 1 Corinthians 14:33.

Also you just clearly contradicted the scripture and Jesus for he clearly says that yes if you do not do the Lords will then you will not enter Heaven therefore losing your salvation, the reason they were practicing lawlessness is not because they didnt truly believe it was because they were not doing his will. Please read this scripture a little closer and without any pre-assumptions Jesus Plainly says you must do the will of the Father not simply call him Lord, Lord.

I dint contradict the scripture. Jesus was saying that you will know those who are going to Heaven by the fact that they do God's will.
But works itself wont save you, you just do works because of your dedication to God.

Eph 2: 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[jari]

Oh and it says you can identify those false prophets by their fruits and casting out demons prophesying his name and performing miracles for his glory all seem like good fruit to me, just a thought, also interesting is it not?

prophecying in Jesus name isnt automatically goodfruit as this is what all false prophets do, they prophecy in God's name.
And its lies what they say.
From their own heart.

 

[stijmonkey]

I dont think any born-again christian can stop beliving.. but they certainly wont do God's will if they dont seek to know it and to know Lord too.
But that does not mean they would loose their salvation.
And Jesus will bring them back.



I dint contradict the scripture. Jesus was saying that you will know those who are going to Heaven by the fact that they do God's will.
But works itself wont save you, you just do works because of your dedication to God.

Eph 2: 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Sorry if i misspoke i did not mean to say that you would be saved by works alone infact i didnt mention works but i guess doing Gods will implies works so i apologize, we are saved by through faith, but he does not say you will know them because they do Gods will he says ONLY those who do His will, will enter. By His grace we are saved THROUGH faith but not just faith, we must strive do do His will as Jesus says therefore confirming we actually have true faith to do His will. He also goes on to say if you do, do Gods will and enter heave he will say well done good and faithful SERVANT, which is to say they used their faith to serve God(doing His will) your right he isnt the author of confusion so when he says ONLY those that do His will that is what i believe and if you are born again and you dont do his will and continue to sin without repenting then i believe you may lose your salvation. For the wages of sin is death, and it says a born again Christian (having his name recorded in the book of life) can have it blotted out

 

[jari]

Sorry if i misspoke i did not mean to say that you would be saved by works alone infact i didnt mention works but i guess doing Gods will implies works so i apologize, we are saved by through faith, but he does not say you will know them because they do Gods will he says ONLY those who do His will, will enter. By His grace we are saved THROUGH faith but not just faith, we must strive do do His will as Jesus says therefore confirming we actually have true faith to do His will. He also goes on to say if you do, do Gods will and enter heave he will say well done good and faithful SERVANT, which is to say they used their faith to serve God(doing His will) your right he isnt the author of confusion so when he says ONLY those that do His will that is what i believe and if you are born again and you dont do his will and continue to sin without repenting then i believe you may lose your salvation. For the wages of sin is death, and it says a born again Christian (having his name recorded in the book of life) can have it blotted out

When you say we are not saved by works and say we still must strive to do works it contradicts the fact that works cant save you.

Salvation is instant thing, even the thief on the cross was saved and without works.

And I disagree with you that name can be plotted out. Bible only says it will not be plotted out for Christians, not that there would be some reason to do so.

I wonder if u saw what I mean by saying those who do His will, will enter kingdom of God?
I think doing God's will is automatic for born again... With exception of those who dont seek to know God's will.
Bible actually talks about doing Lord's will in here:
and we can see theres no remark of losing salvation here, only the fact that not all servats may do God's will after all.

Luk 12:42-48 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? (43) Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. (44) Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. (45) But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; (46) The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. (47) And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. (48) But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.


The "doing god's will" is thefore not condition on entering heaven. But its evident that those who do God's will are believers and going to heaven. When of those who dont and live in sin, you can question if they are saved or not, but its not our job to judge.