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I'm surprised reading the thread above that posters have assumed these congregations are synagogues of Satan, teaching false doctrine, or Pharisees.

Nobody seems to have considered that they might be small groups of faithful sincere followers of Jesus committed to serving and worshipping together.
Greetings in the Lord
I have been searching for one of those for quite sometimes.
I would love to have brothers and sister with like minds, coming together in one accord serving the Lord.
But can't seem to find a Holy Ghost filled, working body of members.
So if y'all are one, your working in the gifts...?
So why has there not been, or we've not heard about the stirring of the water? You know where the sick are healed, the lamb walk, the deaf hear, the blind see.....?
Because it creates a stir; I've read the book too.
Oh, perhaps y'all keep it among yourselves and think you do God honor...? And if you only love those that love you, where does it honor God?

All praise glory and honor be unto God
 
Greetings in the Lord
No actually your body is the temple in which the Holy Ghost resides; that's the only true temple. He lives in your. Know ye not that the kingdom of God is in you. This right here is the reason that (house made with hands) are so lost. Most hasn't even got a teacher that knows Him; and have no good fruit to feed anyone else. Most have been taught by man, and continue in those traditions and think they do God honor.
Very very sad.
All praise glory and honor be unto God
Ya many think one needs to play dress up once a week and deny what we r told to do to Worship YH and many forget the only reason we can do right is because of the Power of YH for if it wasn't for Him we all would be in darkness and unable to do what is right..

For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever!

So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.

You are worthy, O Lord our God, to receive glory and honor and power. For you created all things, and they exist because you created what you please


Twistie
 
Ya many think one needs to play dress up once a week and deny what we r told to do to Worship YH and many forget the only reason we can do right is because of the Power of YH for if it wasn't for Him we all would be in darkness and unable to do what is right..

For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever!

So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.

You are worthy, O Lord our God, to receive glory and honor and power. For you created all things, and they exist because you created what you please


Twistie
When you play dress up, you are playing a game that you will lose and only be discouraged with. Dont dress up, be like the disciples that went out in pairs to towns in the area, be humbly dressed, and if they persecute you, then before you leave, shake the dust off your feet and tell them as you are doing so, that "Jesus" says it will be worse for them than it was for Sodom. Perhaps that might eventually get through to them. Probably not when you leave, but good seeds will be planted and you should be planting seeds everywhere, not just picking and choosing what you think is fertile ground. God see's the heart, of whether it might repent or not, none of us have such a gift.
 
When you play dress up, you are playing a game that you will lose and only be discouraged with. Dont dress up, be like the disciples that went out in pairs to towns in the area, be humbly dressed, and if they persecute you, then before you leave, shake the dust off your feet and tell them as you are doing so, that "Jesus" says it will be worse for them than it was for Sodom. Perhaps that might eventually get through to them. Probably not when you leave, but good seeds will be planted and you should be planting seeds everywhere, not just picking and choosing what you think is fertile ground. God see's the heart, of whether it might repent or not, none of us have such a gift.
He allows us to see the fruit and allows us a choice to join in evil or to turn from It He allows us to hear and follow the Truth or to follow the Teachings of man.. like I said u may need them synagogues of Satan lead by the false teacher being paid by those who attend so they can receive what he is selling.. I do not... U sure are for them false temples tho perhaps u r a follower of their ways? Idk.. but ur barking at the wrong tree..if ya think ya can uproot from the Word and replant me in the worlds ways ur sadly mistaken..n fyi i have no dress clothes im not of the world nor its ways..

Twistie
 
He allows us to see the fruit and allows us a choice to join in evil or to turn from It He allows us to hear and follow the Truth or to follow the Teachings of man.. like I said u may need them synagogues of Satan lead by the false teacher being paid by those who attend so they can receive what he is selling.. I do not... U sure are for them false temples tho perhaps u r a follower of their ways? Idk.. but ur barking at the wrong tree..if ya think ya can uproot from the Word and replant me in the worlds ways ur sadly mistaken..n fyi i have no dress clothes im not of the world nor its ways..

Twistie
I pray the Lord would open your eyes to this Twistie. Because my words fall on rocky ground with you on this specific matter. Your heart is fertile to many things of the Lord, but you must have an issue with some churches that you havent forgiven them of.
 
When you play dress up, you are playing a game that you will lose and only be discouraged with. Dont dress up, be like the disciples that went out in pairs to towns in the area, be humbly dressed, and if they persecute you, then before you leave, shake the dust off your feet and tell them as you are doing so, that "Jesus" says it will be worse for them than it was for Sodom. Perhaps that might eventually get through to them. Probably not when you leave, but good seeds will be planted and you should be planting seeds everywhere, not just picking and choosing what you think is fertile ground. God see's the heart, of whether it might repent or not, none of us have such a gift.
Ok how bout this since ur so gun ho I go to these temples u send me the uber money or pay for a driver that can drive me around to do so.. I mean this is ur idea not Abbas I know when Abba wants to to b somewhere He gets me there.. so what will u do to help me to go where u believe I should be.. can't walk far this body to broken I don't drive because of medical conditions also I will need a helpers that can make sure my husband is bathed n fed n cleaned bedding.. let me know if ya want my address to send a car
and a home health helper


Twistie
 
I pray the Lord would open your eyes to this Twistie. Because my words fall on rocky ground with you on this specific matter. Your heart is fertile to many things of the Lord, but you must have an issue with some churches that you havent forgiven them of.
So u believe to forgive one must subject themselves to evil over n over.. your very childish in you thinking and reasoning.. n let me know about the rides n the home health .. I could use the help since ur so generously wanna put more on my plate then the Lord has given me

Twistie
 
Greetings in the Lord

Praise God some of us are in church daily and all day long, and he doesn't if I'm dressed in clothing or not.
Or wait for Sunday morning when the doors are unlocked, finally. Then sit there proper, nope you can't speak, the shadows in there recognize the Light that burns within us as well.

The church house, made with hands, has did such a good job...why is it so dark outside? and quiet?

Well perhaps because they have locked the doors, except Sunday morning, and pursued worldly treasure, and lusting after their flesh.

Those doors should be open, unlocked daily, all day long.
But that's hard to do when one is chasing after the world.

All praise glory and honor be unto God
 
I pray the Lord would open your eyes to this Twistie. Because my words fall on rocky ground with you on this specific matter. Your heart is fertile to many things of the Lord, but you must have an issue with some churches that you havent forgiven them of.

It got so quiet I can hear the crickets chirping.. I suppose ya ain't up for hiring me a driver and send home health my way..

How is so many wanna just tell peep what they ought to do but don't want no part in helping them getting it done..

This is the norm thinking of one who has been taught by man

J.s.

Twistie
 
No, definately not follow mans ways, but see them as they are and try and love them despite all their faults. You dont even need to keep going to any church that the Lord tells you not to, I assume your connection to the Holy Spirit is strong enough to recognize when to leave any "temple". Yet this is a temple, simply an online temple and you attend here regularly, so you are certainly willing to fellowship with brothers and sisters, but somehow people at these real life temples are all evil in your eyes and you refuse to even try. Have you ever thought that perhaps you might be a good witness to others there?
The physical 'church of Christ' is VERY misleading, it is the (Spiritual) Church of Christ that is: "the Church made without hands" that will stand... all denominations divide and there are many in all physical churches: that do not walk after our Fathers Spirit including the 'man made church of Christ', there are also members of many different denominations that do walk after our Fathers Spirit... any physical Church that says "we are the one and only" is the "one" you should run from!

The Veil has been torn: We are the Church and it is 24/7, the temple made without hands set up by God in the name of Jesus Christ... those who: have the baptism of His Holy Spirit, (we walk) after Almighty God's Spirit in: Truth

Twistie
 
The physical 'church of Christ' is VERY misleading, it is the (Spiritual) Church of Christ that is: "the Church made without hands" that will stand... all denominations divide and there are many in all physical churches: that do not walk after our Fathers Spirit including the 'man made church of Christ', there are also members of many different denominations that do walk after our Fathers Spirit... any physical Church that says "we are the one and only" is the "one" you should run from!

The Veil has been torn: We are the Church and it is 24/7, the temple made without hands set up by God in the name of Jesus Christ... those who: have the baptism of His Holy Spirit, (we walk) after Almighty God's Spirit in: Truth

Twistie
 
I'm surprised reading the thread above that posters have assumed these congregations are synagogues of Satan, teaching false doctrine, or Pharisees.

Nobody seems to have considered that they might be small groups of faithful sincere followers of Jesus committed to serving and worshipping together.
Which ones?
There are a number of them that have been called out not just by me and others on here but many who are pastors/preachers and have been for decades.
Osteen and Myers for SURE are pagan heretics. Prosperity Gospel is not something Jesus taught nor instructed others to do.
The larger the church, building and people, you can see if they are or are NOT of God.
 
Ok how bout this since ur so gun ho I go to these temples u send me the uber money or pay for a driver that can drive me around to do so.. I mean this is ur idea not Abbas I know when Abba wants to to b somewhere He gets me there.. so what will u do to help me to go where u believe I should be.. can't walk far this body to broken I don't drive because of medical conditions also I will need a helpers that can make sure my husband is bathed n fed n cleaned bedding.. let me know if ya want my address to send a car
and a home health helper


Twistie
If conditions are such that you are just not able to get to a "group of believers that meet together"
(since you dislike the word church or even temple... sort of ridiculous, everyone understands what is meant, yes the real church is a body of believers, rather THE body of believers, but they are to get together, scripture is clear on that, just saying, you are sort of nitpicking),
then that is fine. I cant even drive at night, vision isnt all that great for night driving. I dont even attend church myself very often, but I dont disparage those that do or call them terrible names because faulty people attend there. I am faulty myself, are you so righteous, that you dont want to meet those faulty people and dirty yourself by being in their presence? Is your faith so weak that you would become apostate the moment you listened to them? Jesus and the disciples often went into the synagogues of satan to listen and speak, arent we to follow their example?

Then the actual reasons for not attending, if they have nothing to do with not wanting to dirty yourself in their presence, may be realistic, but your words havent talked about health issues of yourself, constant care of your man, not enough money to go (for the most part, you have said some of that, and finally a bit more now). Just please dont be so negative about people gathering together to worship the Lord even if they are more faulty than you.

In some ways, you remind me of my wife. She is a christian, but she doesnt want to attend any church. She has in the past, but got fed up with the problems of the church that she doesnt agree with. She hated how some pastors "screamed" at parishioners about going to hell regularly in the sanctuary. I understand not liking that. She doesnt like how some churchs allow women pastors. I agree with that. She didnt want to attend some churches because she knows how the members, high ranking members, lived their real life in a very worldly way. I get that many churchs have lots of problems. But I wont look down on gathering of faulty believers. Paul wrote many letters to churchs, and most of them had problems, the more wealthy they were, the more corrupt they tended to be. But he never taught that we should give up on them. I mostly dont go now, because it will cause more of a division between me and my wife, who looks down on those that attend regularly. She tends to think attending regularly only corrupts oneself to be more like a pharisee. I am stronger than that, they dont corrupt me. I have the Holy Spirit in me, whom I trust more than myself. I am rarely afraid of anything because of my trust. She is over 80 now and has health issues herself. When her time comes to leave this world, I will gladly attend local churchs no matter how corrupt they are, perhaps I can help make them a bit better, drop a few seeds that might sprout and produce a crop of true believers. But meeting with other believers, even if only online is important, very important. Doing it in real life is much much better, both for ourselves and for others attending. Problems will occur, my feelings might be hurt, but loving anyone involves emotional pain when you see the broken people and have EMPATHY for them. Dont be callous about them, they need your love and prayers, not because they are righteous, but because they need the Lord more in their lives, and if you are "like" the Lord, they are worth your time, if you are able.
 
Which ones?
There are a number of them that have been called out not just by me and others on here but many who are pastors/preachers and have been for decades.
Osteen and Myers for SURE are pagan heretics. Prosperity Gospel is not something Jesus taught nor instructed others to do.
The larger the church, building and people, you can see if they are or are NOT of God.
I was speaking of the churches described in the opening post. We know only that the congregations are small and made up of older people, why assume that they are unfaithful?
 
If conditions are such that you are just not able to get to a "group of believers that meet together"
(since you dislike the word church or even temple... sort of ridiculous, everyone understands what is meant, yes the real church is a body of believers, rather THE body of believers, but they are to get together, scripture is clear on that, just saying, you are sort of nitpicking),
then that is fine. I cant even drive at night, vision isnt all that great for night driving. I dont even attend church myself very often, but I dont disparage those that do or call them terrible names because faulty people attend there. I am faulty myself, are you so righteous, that you dont want to meet those faulty people and dirty yourself by being in their presence? Is your faith so weak that you would become apostate the moment you listened to them? Jesus and the disciples often went into the synagogues of satan to listen and speak, arent we to follow their example?

Then the actual reasons for not attending, if they have nothing to do with not wanting to dirty yourself in their presence, may be realistic, but your words havent talked about health issues of yourself, constant care of your man, not enough money to go (for the most part, you have said some of that, and finally a bit more now). Just please dont be so negative about people gathering together to worship the Lord even if they are more faulty than you.

In some ways, you remind me of my wife. She is a christian, but she doesnt want to attend any church. She has in the past, but got fed up with the problems of the church that she doesnt agree with. She hated how some pastors "screamed" at parishioners about going to hell regularly in the sanctuary. I understand not liking that. She doesnt like how some churchs allow women pastors. I agree with that. She didnt want to attend some churches because she knows how the members, high ranking members, lived their real life in a very worldly way. I get that many churchs have lots of problems. But I wont look down on gathering of faulty believers. Paul wrote many letters to churchs, and most of them had problems, the more wealthy they were, the more corrupt they tended to be. But he never taught that we should give up on them. I mostly dont go now, because it will cause more of a division between me and my wife, who looks down on those that attend regularly. She tends to think attending regularly only corrupts oneself to be more like a pharisee. I am stronger than that, they dont corrupt me. I have the Holy Spirit in me, whom I trust more than myself. I am rarely afraid of anything because of my trust. She is over 80 now and has health issues herself. When her time comes to leave this world, I will gladly attend local churchs no matter how corrupt they are, perhaps I can help make them a bit better, drop a few seeds that might sprout and produce a crop of true believers. But meeting with other believers, even if only online is important, very important. Doing it in real life is much much better, both for ourselves and for others attending. Problems will occur, my feelings might be hurt, but loving anyone involves emotional pain when you see the broken people and have EMPATHY for them. Dont be callous about them, they need your love and prayers, not because they are righteous, but because they need the Lord more in their lives, and if you are "like" the Lord, they are worth your time, if you are able.
Like I said if ya wanna supply the ride I'd b more then happy to go and speak the Truth ya don't have to go with a long drawn out excuse of why I should or what my problems are lol or what I could or should do.. just say ya ain't willing to flip the bill frfr

FYI I don't spread sugar I talk to grown peep like grown peep

Mans teaching definitely births fleshy ways j.s.

Twistie
 
If conditions are such that you are just not able to get to a "group of believers that meet together"
(since you dislike the word church or even temple... sort of ridiculous, everyone understands what is meant, yes the real church is a body of believers, rather THE body of believers, but they are to get together, scripture is clear on that, just saying, you are sort of nitpicking),
then that is fine. I cant even drive at night, vision isnt all that great for night driving. I dont even attend church myself very often, but I dont disparage those that do or call them terrible names because faulty people attend there. I am faulty myself, are you so righteous, that you dont want to meet those faulty people and dirty yourself by being in their presence? Is your faith so weak that you would become apostate the moment you listened to them? Jesus and the disciples often went into the synagogues of satan to listen and speak, arent we to follow their example?

Then the actual reasons for not attending, if they have nothing to do with not wanting to dirty yourself in their presence, may be realistic, but your words havent talked about health issues of yourself, constant care of your man, not enough money to go (for the most part, you have said some of that, and finally a bit more now). Just please dont be so negative about people gathering together to worship the Lord even if they are more faulty than you.

In some ways, you remind me of my wife. She is a christian, but she doesnt want to attend any church. She has in the past, but got fed up with the problems of the church that she doesnt agree with. She hated how some pastors "screamed" at parishioners about going to hell regularly in the sanctuary. I understand not liking that. She doesnt like how some churchs allow women pastors. I agree with that. She didnt want to attend some churches because she knows how the members, high ranking members, lived their real life in a very worldly way. I get that many churchs have lots of problems. But I wont look down on gathering of faulty believers. Paul wrote many letters to churchs, and most of them had problems, the more wealthy they were, the more corrupt they tended to be. But he never taught that we should give up on them. I mostly dont go now, because it will cause more of a division between me and my wife, who looks down on those that attend regularly. She tends to think attending regularly only corrupts oneself to be more like a pharisee. I am stronger than that, they dont corrupt me. I have the Holy Spirit in me, whom I trust more than myself. I am rarely afraid of anything because of my trust. She is over 80 now and has health issues herself. When her time comes to leave this world, I will gladly attend local churchs no matter how corrupt they are, perhaps I can help make them a bit better, drop a few seeds that might sprout and produce a crop of true believers. But meeting with other believers, even if only online is important, very important. Doing it in real life is much much better, both for ourselves and for others attending. Problems will occur, my feelings might be hurt, but loving anyone involves emotional pain when you see the broken people and have EMPATHY for them. Dont be callous about them, they need your love and prayers, not because they are righteous, but because they need the Lord more in their lives, and if you are "like" the Lord, they are worth your time, if you are able.
I don't take any label no christian catholic baptist n so on any house divided will fall..as it is written.. fyi I was told by Abba not to follow the ways of the Christians He pulled me out of them temples a long long time ago He also allowed me to see the hypocrisy that goes on in there.. I've been to hundreds on my path of life.. the best church gatherings is the ones in my home with people that YH has out in my Life n those who He sends to our home or while at tye stores or when i am able to walk a bit to church with those who r broken on the streets regardless of what the world may call them.. the ones that go to them temples have chosen whom they wanna follow.. The Messiah walked n rode on a donkey he didn't hide His Light.. you follow mans ways and mans teaching n ya seem to think ya got my world n my experience and what I have been taught all mapped out in that man brain of yours.. j.s.

U may need a man made building that man has named to worship but I do not we r two totally different beings.. I know who I am in Him and I hear Him just fine.. I don't need another to tell me what their god wants me to do j.s.

If I could get to a building of weekend warriors I highly doubt I would attend.. most look like they r set to have a concert n I don't do them either..

Twistie
 
Like I said if ya wanna supply the ride I'd b more then happy to go and speak the Truth ya don't have to go with a long drawn out excuse of why I should or what my problems are lol or what I could or should do.. just say ya ain't willing to flip the bill frfr

FYI I don't spread sugar I talk to grown peep like grown peep

Mans teaching definitely births fleshy ways j.s.

Twistie
I dont have lots of money to spare sister. I certainly dont complain about it, because I trust the Lord. And what little I do have to help others go to people nearby where I live, I help where God has placed me. You are going to have to live your life with whatever assets you have there, and you should trust the Lord also for all your needs.
 
I dont have lots of money to spare sister. I certainly dont complain about it, because I trust the Lord. And what little I do have to help others go to people nearby where I live, I help where God has placed me. You are going to have to live your life with whatever assets you have there, and you should trust the Lord also for all your needs.
I have no probs trusting the Lord nor no probs with what the Lord puts up on my plate.. you r the one that seems to want to double my portion on the plate and have the reasons of why I do or don't and where I should go and be and what I should do..
I stand on my words that I have wrote and spoke the temples are either of YH or of Satan they can't b led by both ya can't dance with the devil and eat at the Table of the Lord.. you can't claim you follow the Lord and run with the word and do as it does and act like it does and walk like it does those who claim they can n who claim to others that they can just lead many astray..

Twistie
 
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