Declining Churches

[Twistie]

I have no probs trusting the Lord nor no probs with what the Lord puts up on my plate.. you r the one that seems to want to double my portion on the plate and have the reasons of why I do or don't and where I should go and be and what I should do..
I stand on my words that I have wrote and spoke the temples are either of YH or of Satan they can't b led by both ya can't dance with the devil and eat at the Table of the Lord.. you can't claim you follow the Lord and run with the word and do as it does and act like it does and walk like it does those who claim they can n who claim to others that they can just lead many astray..

Twistie

That should say run with the world not word

 

[watertolive]

Greetings
Some believe in nothing... atheist I believe their called.
Some believe in the devil, and do worship him in darkness.
Some believe in (g)od, but their actions and words do not support their belief, they are worldly, knowing nothing, but to confess Him as Lord and Savior of their life. He will bring those also.
Some believe in the Almighty Father God, and fear Him, and follow only Him, searching our hearts daily with passion, feasting upon His flesh and drinking from His cup, suffering for His names sake, the same way He suffer for ours. Not fighting back as the world does, not throwing accusations, not threatening death upon any of our accusers. But leading them beside the still waters that they may look in the mirror at self, as self really is. For we all looked through the glass darkly, and then coming face to face, with self, with sin, we see.

Do all things, as you were doing them unto God, because you are. God first, always.

The finger pointed in the other direction...
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost is pointing straight back at you. The weapon is in your head, and your mouth spews unrighteousness.
Choose your words wisely, as becoming the saints of God.
He is listening. He knows all about it.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Brad Huber]

I have no probs trusting the Lord nor no probs with what the Lord puts up on my plate.. you r the one that seems to want to double my portion on the plate and have the reasons of why I do or don't and where I should go and be and what I should do..
I stand on my words that I have wrote and spoke the temples are either of YH or of Satan they can't b led by both ya can't dance with the devil and eat at the Table of the Lord.. you can't claim you follow the Lord and run with the word and do as it does and act like it does and walk like it does those who claim they can n who claim to others that they can just lead many astray..

Twistie

So perhaps I am misunderstanding you? I assume from your words that you think "all" churchs made of bldg materials is of satan? Or just the ones close to you that you have visited?

 

[Twistie]

So perhaps I am misunderstanding you? I assume from your words that you think "all" churchs made of bldg materials is of satan? Or just the ones close to you that you have visited?

I have lived in many states and in many cities YH has taken me to many temples to see n to visit out of the last 25 yrs One was a true church of YH one did as we r supposed to do.. One was a family in n out of the building n that was over 15 yrs ago..
We r told to turn from evil not join in.. YH is about family not playing dress up once a week n it is not my Forte nor is it my job to to sit n listen to lies while a man repeats the words of the Word partially. Man takes titles to exalt themselves.. no one is above another but those who worship in the flesh only don't see their veil has not been lifted..
YH is spirit n He seeks those who worship in Truth n Spirit.. just because I don't subject myself to lies them synagogues or temples or churches preach by their hired hand.. we R Told how to Worship YH sadly most just follow the ways of man..

I hear YH very well I spend my days pondering with Him n praising Him regardless of what I may b doing He had brought me into His Rest n this is where I shall Stay man will surely lead the blind n the deaf astray with his sugar coating words.

Twistie

 

[Hekuran]

I have lived in many states and in many cities YH has taken me to many temples to see n to visit out of the last 25 yrs One was a true church of YH one did as we r supposed to do.. One was a family in n out of the building n that was over 15 yrs ago..
We r told to turn from evil not join in.. YH is about family not playing dress up once a week n it is not my Forte nor is it my job to to sit n listen to lies while a man repeats the words of the Word partially. Man takes titles to exalt themselves.. no one is above another but those who worship in the flesh only don't see their veil has not been lifted..
YH is spirit n He seeks those who worship in Truth n Spirit.. just because I don't subject myself to lies them synagogues or temples or churches preach by their hired hand.. we R Told how to Worship YH sadly most just follow the ways of man..

I hear YH very well I spend my days pondering with Him n praising Him regardless of what I may b doing He had brought me into His Rest n this is where I shall Stay man will surely lead the blind n the deaf astray with his sugar coating words.

Twistie

Im saddened to see you writing of the church as something evil to be avoided.

Church gatherings are where we worship God together, support each other in our journeys of faith, offer and receive practical support, pray for each other and the world, and hear the word of God. These things are valuable in every stage of life

 

[Br. Bear]

Church gatherings are where we worship God together, support each other in our journeys of faith, offer and receive practical support, pray for each other and the world, and hear the word of God. These things are valuable in every stage of life

Fellowship

 

[Twistie]

Im saddened to see you writing of the church as something evil to be avoided.

Church gatherings are where we worship God together, support each other in our journeys of faith, offer and receive practical support, pray for each other and the world, and hear the word of God. These things are valuable in every stage of life

We r told to turn from evil.. many claim to believe in God few believe what He says n few walk the road.. the road is wide but the way is narrow few find it as it is written..
I speak on what I have seen amd what I Hear..
All I can do

Twistie

 

[Hekuran]

We r told to turn from evil.. many claim to believe in God few believe what He says n few walk the road.. the road is wide but the way is narrow few find it as it is written..
I speak on what I have seen amd what I Hear..
All I can do

Twistie

Gathering as the body of Christ is not doing evil.

 

[Twistie]

Gathering as the body of Christ is not doing evil.

If they r not in align with what His children are told today then that is not the body of Christ... We r not told to play dress up to play church or to act like we walk the walk we r told what to do..

11Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh

Can't be like the world n walk like the world and claim your of YH. Well ya can if ya want but YH does see..

Can't dance with the devil and eat with the Lord..

“My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

Depart from evil and do good;
Seek peace and pursue it.

He must turn away from evil and do good;
He must seek peace and pursue

Do not turn to the right nor to the left;
Turn your foot from evil.

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, Nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; And in his law doth he meditate day and night.

When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners and pray loudly. They want people to see them. The truth is, that’s all the reward they will get.


Twistie

 

[Hekuran]

If they r not in align with what His children are told today then that is not the body of Christ... We r not told to play dress up to play church or to act like we walk the walk we r told what to do..

11Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh

Can't be like the world n walk like the world and claim your of YH. Well ya can if ya want but YH does see..

Can't dance with the devil and eat with the Lord..

“My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

Depart from evil and do good;
Seek peace and pursue it.

He must turn away from evil and do good;
He must seek peace and pursue

Do not turn to the right nor to the left;
Turn your foot from evil.

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, Nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; And in his law doth he meditate day and night.

When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners and pray loudly. They want people to see them. The truth is, that’s all the reward they will get.


Twistie

What nonsense is this? Attending church is not about collusion with the world, dressing up, dancing with the devil, or doing evil.

 

[watertolive]

Greetings in the Lord
The last place I visited was a disaster.
They carried their morning donuts and cupcakes and coffee into the pews; teaching their kids to do the same. They treated it like their living room at home, not a scared place. And there were dogs running about.
Then the worldly preacher tried to preach.
He was more concerned about the electronics working, then God. And growling about some man he couldn't stand at his place of employment; with clutched fist and stomping his feet.
Then telling the congregation that he was scared to let someone else speak, cause he afraid they may like someone else over him.

He said to me I don't know if a person ever really knows if they are saved or not; do they?
Ummm...ya you do. When you've been touched by God, you know it, it is an instant change. And you have been sealed by the Spirit of promise.

I dropped some seeds.
They were very worldly, so was the pastor.
It was very sad.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[watertolive]

What nonsense is this? Attending church is not about collusion with the world, dressing up, dancing with the devil, or doing evil.

Greetings
The problem perhaps is culture.
You are in the U.K, we are in the USA
Glory to God

 

[B-A-C]

Not all churches in every country are bad. Not all churches in every country are good. There are good and bad everywhere.
But Jesus said...

Matt 16:18; "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
Jesus said the gates of hell won't overpower His church, if your church is getting overpowered, maybe you're not the church Jesus was speaking of.
Heb 10:24; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
Heb 10:25; not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

The church isn't about you. It's not your house. It's God's house. You don't like the people there, you don't like the music there, you don't like the preaching there.
Guess what, it's not about you. Now of course there are some churches that have lost their way, but more often than not, it's you who lost their way.
You can find a good church if you want to. They are everywhere. If you don't want to attend church, fine... but don't blame it on the churches.
People who want to be isolated from the church usually have something to hide.
The word "church' ( ekklēsia ) is in the New Testament over 75 times.

Jesus Himself mentions it nine times.
Paul mentions it over 40 times.

Eph 5:23; For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
Col 1:18; He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
Col 1:24; Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions.

The church is the body of Christ. If you're not a part of a church, you're not a part of Christ.

The phrase "one another" is used over 140 times in the New testament, if you're isolated from other believers you're not praying for them, and they aren't praying for you ( they don't know you exist )
, You aren't loving "one another", bearing each other burdens, lifting up "one another", Encouraging "one another", worshiping together.

A Christian is NOT and cannot be an island unto themselves.

I'd rather attend a church with messed up people who love God, than religious people who dislike messed up people.

 

[Hekuran]

Not all churches in every country are bad. Not all churches in every country are good. There are good and bad everywhere.
But Jesus said...

Matt 16:18; "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
Jesus said the gates of hell won't overpower His church, if your church is getting overpowered, maybe you're not the church Jesus was speaking of.
Heb 10:24; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
Heb 10:25; not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

The church isn't about you. It's not your house. It's God's house. You don't like the people there, you don't like the music there, you don't like the preaching there.
Guess what, it's not about you. Now of course there are some churches that have lost their way, but more often than not, it's you who lost their way.
You can find a good church if you want to. They are everywhere. If you don't want to attend church, fine... but don't blame it on the churches.
People who want to be isolated from the church usually have something to hide.
The word "church' ( ekklēsia ) is in the New Testament over 75 times.

Jesus Himself mentions it nine times.
Paul mentions it over 40 times.

Eph 5:23; For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
Col 1:18; He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
Col 1:24; Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions.

The church is the body of Christ. If you're not a part of a church, you're not a part of Christ.

The phrase "one another" is used over 140 times in the New testament, if you're isolated from other believers you're not praying for them, and they aren't praying for you ( they don't know you exist )
, You aren't loving "one another", bearing each other burdens, lifting up "one another", Encouraging "one another", worshiping together.

A Christian is NOT and cannot be an island unto themselves.

I'd rather attend a church with messed up people who love God, than religious people who dislike messed up people.

Precisely. That's what I wanted to say, but you said it better.

 

[watertolive]

Precisely. That's what I wanted to say, but you said it better.

Greetings in the Lord
Yes I would love to find a church house that are coming together in one accord with the Lord; praising and worshipping Him, walking a narrow path.
I'm still looking. Until then the Lord and I have church everyday.
God bless you all.

 

[Twistie]

What nonsense is this? Attending church is not about collusion with the world, dressing up, dancing with the devil, or doing evil.

Depends I guess on what country u r in Here in America there are very few far n in-between that worships the Living God..

Twistie

 

[MedicBravo]

Depends I guess on what country u r in Here in America there are very few far n in-between that worships the Living God..

Twistie

Evidence?
Out of at least 330 million "few and far in-between"?
1. No poll you read is accurate. Stats take a long time to get and even then it's only small part of the population that is polled.
2. Margin of Error is in many thing especially in polls and statistics.
3. Everybody lies. EVERYONE.

 

[Brad Huber]

Greetings in the Lord
The last place I visited was a disaster.
They carried their morning donuts and cupcakes and coffee into the pews; teaching their kids to do the same. They treated it like their living room at home, not a scared place. And there were dogs running about.
Then the worldly preacher tried to preach.
He was more concerned about the electronics working, then God. And growling about some man he couldn't stand at his place of employment; with clutched fist and stomping his feet.
Then telling the congregation that he was scared to let someone else speak, cause he afraid they may like someone else over him.

He said to me I don't know if a person ever really knows if they are saved or not; do they?
Ummm...ya you do. When you've been touched by God, you know it, it is an instant change. And you have been sealed by the Spirit of promise.

I dropped some seeds.
They were very worldly, so was the pastor.
It was very sad.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

But dropping seeds is what we should all do when we run into those type of places. Glad you did instead of just running away from them.

 

[watertolive]

Greetings in the Lord
Can I point y'all to brother Paul's letter to Titus.
Brother Paul left Titus behind in Crete to amend what was defective. The appointing of bishops and what was expected of them. He must hold firm to the sure word as taught, so he gives instruction in sound doctrine and confute those who contradict it. For there are many insubordinate men, empty talkers and deceivers. Brother Paul said they must be silenced; they upset while families by teaching for base gain.
He goes on to say they profess to know God, but deny Him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good deed. And more...

Now brother Paul addressing issues along time ago; one wife, not a drunkard, good kids....to even be in the clergy.

Now, I can't see the Holy Ghost, but I can hear the Holy Ghost. And if we visit and it's not according to the Word of God we are to speak up, not run away for fear of the wolves in there. We already know we are to put God first, and have no respector of persons, and suffer afflictions and persecutions for His name sake; rather than allow people to continue to be misled. This is another responsibility, a true believer in Christ, has laid down on. Nobody wants to be tied to the whipping post. Well, then no one grows up in Christ.
We have to be willing to go through things for His name sake.

I heard doors throughout the church slamming violently, as demons left out; because I stood up for the Gospel of Christ.
I've had them all run out of the church, except one elder, who knew the Lord; yep I was pointed out the bad apple. Me and that elder had church with God while the others huddled in the parking lot and sought how to get rid of me. There was a woman in there that conjured spirits. She had many faces; and hated me from day one.
God sent me to that church; I had to walk in his shoes and be rejected by those that said they believed. Just like He was.
The Word really came to life then.

Revelations talks about bridle bits. When I pull up at the church there was a giant bridle bit across the doors.
I watched a dark veil fall upon the congregation. The elder that had church with me months before, wasn't there this day. Praise God for it.

Everybody fighting, but fighting for the wrong cause.
If it isn't for God, or about God, I don't want to do it, nor be partaker of those running to and fro in disobedience to the Word of God. Take heed what you hear the Word tells us.
If God wants me holding down a pew, he is able to put me there. If the spirit doesn't bare witness with the spirit, it is my/our duty to God to speak up. Or we are just as quilty as they; for God has no respector of persons either.

All praise glory and honor be unto God.

 

[Twistie]

Evidence?
Out of at least 330 million "few and far in-between"?
1. No poll you read is accurate. Stats take a long time to get and even then it's only small part of the population that is polled.
2. Margin of Error is in many thing especially in polls and statistics.
3. Everybody lies. EVERYONE.

I'm going by what I have seen n exactly look at the amount of temples or perhaps you don't believe when the Word says remnants...
In the same way then, there has come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice.”

I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be …

I'm not debating with you what I have seen and witnessed.. n to be honest if you haven't experienced Imma wonder just how sheltered you are or just how much you turn a blind eye many do that to..

Twistie