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I use to go to church on Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night.
But, for the past few years I have only been going on Sunday morning.
I guess I'm what you would call a Sunday morner.
But, for the past few years I have only been going on Sunday morning.
I guess I'm what you would call a Sunday morner.
I used to go to Church but not any more.
I can't stand the fake smiles and the half hearted efforts people make to fellowhip.
After years of trying to get to know people at two local churches I found most of them are very worldly or if they are Christians spiritually shallow.
I have found a handful of Christian people who truly love God's word there and will talk with you about the things of God outside Bible Study or after Church service. Unfortunately some of these were elderly Christians who have since passed away, except for one.
That is why I have ended up fellowshipping on Forums. I can readily talk with other members here about Jesus, the Bible and other related topics. Those who come here are serious about God and His Word and living it in their lives.
Too sick and tired constantly these days to go to another Church in my area. Really can't be bothered after investing about 12 years in the last two Churches I used to attend. It takes so much time to get to know people outside seeing them at Sunday Service.
I can't stand the fake smiles and the half hearted efforts people make to fellowhip.
After years of trying to get to know people at two local churches I found most of them are very worldly or if they are Christians spiritually shallow.
I have found a handful of Christian people who truly love God's word there and will talk with you about the things of God outside Bible Study or after Church service. Unfortunately some of these were elderly Christians who have since passed away, except for one.
That is why I have ended up fellowshipping on Forums. I can readily talk with other members here about Jesus, the Bible and other related topics. Those who come here are serious about God and His Word and living it in their lives.
Too sick and tired constantly these days to go to another Church in my area. Really can't be bothered after investing about 12 years in the last two Churches I used to attend. It takes so much time to get to know people outside seeing them at Sunday Service.
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Hi, I think you should forget about what others do 'behind the scenes' and their falsities and whatever.. Go to service for YOU and revel in the word of the Lord..
It is a well known fact that the leniency and free sort of nature of our teachings have aired the way for 'Christians' to go astray...and yes it is quite disheartening and unnerving to discover that most people who come to church and pose as Christ disciples do not indeed live by the word.. It has been summed up that the Church today is just a gathering of pretenders, aim seekers and business men.. Some churches organize sales, others stress grave emphasis on finance, riches and money collection..
This is supposed to put you off, however I'd like to say that staying away has its severe disadvantages and dangers, I would like you to go 'for yourself', hear the word, share for those who choose to listen, but live in it..
God bless..
It is a well known fact that the leniency and free sort of nature of our teachings have aired the way for 'Christians' to go astray...and yes it is quite disheartening and unnerving to discover that most people who come to church and pose as Christ disciples do not indeed live by the word.. It has been summed up that the Church today is just a gathering of pretenders, aim seekers and business men.. Some churches organize sales, others stress grave emphasis on finance, riches and money collection..
This is supposed to put you off, however I'd like to say that staying away has its severe disadvantages and dangers, I would like you to go 'for yourself', hear the word, share for those who choose to listen, but live in it..
God bless..
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Can't find a church
I stopped going to church about 2 years ago when I could not find a church with a pastor didn't have a problem with pride. I have a problem with church leaders that use titles. Here is why:
James 2:[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
We know that God is not a respecter of persons, but here is a scripture telling us not to be a respecter of persons, either. This goes along with Matt 23 where Jesus is telling people not to use titles. I am always concerned when I see someone using the title "pastor" or "doctor." Everyone should have the same respect for a pastor that they have for a street drunk, and vice versa. That is what this is all about. My business is engineering, and we don't use titles. Even the president of the company goes by his first name. Engineering is an honest business, and no one needs a title. Contrast this with the Congress where the congressmen and women want to be addressed as "The Honorable..." There is nothing honorable about congressmen.
Here is what God says about titles in Rick Joyner's book "The Call":
“Remember that those with who I must walk on earth are also members of My body. They have not yet been glorified, but you must see them as they are called to be, not as they appear now. You must love them and see the authority and grace in them that you now see in these. Remember that those with whom you walk on earth now see you as you see them. You must learn not to see according to their present appearance, but see who they are to become. “Only those who live by My judgments and abide with Me as their wisdom can see My authority in others. Even so, do not strive to have men see My authority in you. Do not be concerned by whether others see you as you are; only be concerned about recognizing others as they are and seeing Me in them. When you become concerned about how others see you, you lose your authority. When authority becomes your goal, you will begin to lose true authority. You know the ministry and authority that I have given to you; do not ask people to call you by your position, but by your name. Then I will make your name greater than your position.
“In My kingdom, authority comes from who you are, not your title. Your ministry is your function, not your rank. Here rank is earned by humility, service and love. The deacon who loves more is higher than the apostle who loves less. On earth, prophets may be used to shake the nations, but here they will be known by their love. This is also your call—to love with My love and serve with My heart. Then we will be one.”
The use of titles has become so common that people think it is OK. It definitely is NOT OK.
Another scripture has come to mind that is a part of this discussion. Rev 2:[6] But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
The Bible doesn't tell you who the Nicolaitans are, but it turns out that the doctrine of the Nicolaitans was a doctrine of a self serving clergy. The clergy had separated themselves from the non-clergy. There is no place for this in God's church.
I am only the messenger.
God Bless
Bruce
I stopped going to church about 2 years ago when I could not find a church with a pastor didn't have a problem with pride. I have a problem with church leaders that use titles. Here is why:
James 2:[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
We know that God is not a respecter of persons, but here is a scripture telling us not to be a respecter of persons, either. This goes along with Matt 23 where Jesus is telling people not to use titles. I am always concerned when I see someone using the title "pastor" or "doctor." Everyone should have the same respect for a pastor that they have for a street drunk, and vice versa. That is what this is all about. My business is engineering, and we don't use titles. Even the president of the company goes by his first name. Engineering is an honest business, and no one needs a title. Contrast this with the Congress where the congressmen and women want to be addressed as "The Honorable..." There is nothing honorable about congressmen.
Here is what God says about titles in Rick Joyner's book "The Call":
“Remember that those with who I must walk on earth are also members of My body. They have not yet been glorified, but you must see them as they are called to be, not as they appear now. You must love them and see the authority and grace in them that you now see in these. Remember that those with whom you walk on earth now see you as you see them. You must learn not to see according to their present appearance, but see who they are to become. “Only those who live by My judgments and abide with Me as their wisdom can see My authority in others. Even so, do not strive to have men see My authority in you. Do not be concerned by whether others see you as you are; only be concerned about recognizing others as they are and seeing Me in them. When you become concerned about how others see you, you lose your authority. When authority becomes your goal, you will begin to lose true authority. You know the ministry and authority that I have given to you; do not ask people to call you by your position, but by your name. Then I will make your name greater than your position.
“In My kingdom, authority comes from who you are, not your title. Your ministry is your function, not your rank. Here rank is earned by humility, service and love. The deacon who loves more is higher than the apostle who loves less. On earth, prophets may be used to shake the nations, but here they will be known by their love. This is also your call—to love with My love and serve with My heart. Then we will be one.”
The use of titles has become so common that people think it is OK. It definitely is NOT OK.
Another scripture has come to mind that is a part of this discussion. Rev 2:[6] But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
The Bible doesn't tell you who the Nicolaitans are, but it turns out that the doctrine of the Nicolaitans was a doctrine of a self serving clergy. The clergy had separated themselves from the non-clergy. There is no place for this in God's church.
I am only the messenger.
God Bless
Bruce
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I have one teeny tiny problem with this message....this should have said
'Here is what Rick Joyner says"
Make that two teeny tiny problems lol...
What book did this get 'turned out' from?
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Prophetic revelations
When a prophet speaks, is it the "word of God" or the prophet's own words. I know several prophets and occasionally get a prophecy from God and it would be incorrect for me to say the words I got from God were my own words. If you think that God stopped talking when the Bible was finished, then we are not going to agree on very much. The Bible talks a lot about prophecy and prophets and both are a part of a New Testament church. I Cor 14, Eph 4:11 both speak of prophets. God is speaking to His people today as He has for thousands of years. The words that Rick Joyner transcribed are not his words but God's.
You can get two more examples of this in the books "God Calling" and "God at Eventide." Google them and read them and then tell me who wrote them. You don't have to read both books cover to cover, just read a few pages.
We could get into discussions of "My sheep hear my voice" and the implied consequences of not hearing Jesus' voice, but that is for another time.
God Bless
Bruce
When a prophet speaks, is it the "word of God" or the prophet's own words. I know several prophets and occasionally get a prophecy from God and it would be incorrect for me to say the words I got from God were my own words. If you think that God stopped talking when the Bible was finished, then we are not going to agree on very much. The Bible talks a lot about prophecy and prophets and both are a part of a New Testament church. I Cor 14, Eph 4:11 both speak of prophets. God is speaking to His people today as He has for thousands of years. The words that Rick Joyner transcribed are not his words but God's.
You can get two more examples of this in the books "God Calling" and "God at Eventide." Google them and read them and then tell me who wrote them. You don't have to read both books cover to cover, just read a few pages.
We could get into discussions of "My sheep hear my voice" and the implied consequences of not hearing Jesus' voice, but that is for another time.
God Bless
Bruce
Nicolaitans
I read a revelation given to Bob Jones on the Internet about 10 years ago about the Nicolaitans. You can do your own research about it, and then ask Holy Spirit what the right answer is. He knows everything and He never lies or misleads.
Bruce Baker
I read a revelation given to Bob Jones on the Internet about 10 years ago about the Nicolaitans. You can do your own research about it, and then ask Holy Spirit what the right answer is. He knows everything and He never lies or misleads.
Bruce Baker
Going to church
Interestingly enough, the Bible never tells you to go to church. It says:
Heb.10[25] Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together,
You might want to read what Jesus has to say about the church in "God Calling."
Feb 7: Do not expect a perfect Church, but find in a church the means of coming very near to Me. That alone matters, then the much, that is husk, falls away. Hold it of no account. Grasp the truth and find Me -- the true Bread of Life. The lesson of the grain is the lesson of My Church and Me. The real life is all that matters, the outward Church is the husk; but the husk was necessary to present a life-grain to men.
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name,
there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20
Now you decide who said this. Did some human make it up? Or are these the words of Jesus?
God Bless
B
Interestingly enough, the Bible never tells you to go to church. It says:
Heb.10[25] Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together,
You might want to read what Jesus has to say about the church in "God Calling."
Feb 7: Do not expect a perfect Church, but find in a church the means of coming very near to Me. That alone matters, then the much, that is husk, falls away. Hold it of no account. Grasp the truth and find Me -- the true Bread of Life. The lesson of the grain is the lesson of My Church and Me. The real life is all that matters, the outward Church is the husk; but the husk was necessary to present a life-grain to men.
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name,
there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20
Now you decide who said this. Did some human make it up? Or are these the words of Jesus?
God Bless
B
Escape from Christendom
If you want further evidence of what God thinks of the churches today, Google "Escape from Christendom" and then tell me whether it is God or some guy with a vivid imagination. If you believe this is a true prophecy, it just might scare you.
Bruce Baker
If you want further evidence of what God thinks of the churches today, Google "Escape from Christendom" and then tell me whether it is God or some guy with a vivid imagination. If you believe this is a true prophecy, it just might scare you.
Bruce Baker
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I did not say that.
I did not even say I disagree with your initial opinion. But are we talking the Word of God here or the word of men. In the US alone, from what I`ve witnessed, its seems every man and his dog proclaims himself to be a Prophet. (talk about coveting titles) Shall we believe them all?
For example, what if I say 'Thus saith the Lord, the words that Rick Joyner transcribed are not Gods word."
What have you then?
Anyone can say 'God said' so with all due respect i`m not apt to repeat anyone and everyone who picks up a pen and writes 'God said...' unless I know for a truth, according to Gods own Word He has spoken.
So after 2000 years, and many many many Bible Scholars and Prophets having come and gone, God chose to reveal to Bob Jones that the doctrine of the Nicolaitans was a doctrine of a self serving clergy. Why would God reveal that to Bob? You`ll have to forgive me if I dont
grab the ball and run with it.
Modern day prophets
First of all, we don't know how many people have received a revelation on who the Nicolaitans were. When I was researching this question many years ago, I found a lot of speculation about who they were and then I found Bob Jones revelation. I just Googled nicolaitans and found several good discussion about who they were and what they stood for which agree with Bob Jones' revelation. Now, if you really want to settle it in your own mind, ask Holy Spirit. As I said before, He knows everything and He never lies.
In the case of the writings of Rick Joyner and other modern day prophets like the two ladies that transcribed God Calling and God at Eventide, you should again ask Holy Spirit. If indeed, they transcribed the Word of the Lord, then you should heed what they have transcribed. If they were writing out of their own imaginations, then you should reject what they have said.
Now I ask you, did God give the words to Rick Joyner and the two ladies that wrote God Calling or did they make up the words? And if God gave them the message, is the message the Word of God? If it is not the Word of God, then what is it?
The Bible is very clear that prophets are a part of a modern day church: Eph 4:11, I Cor 14, I Cor 12. If you do a word search in the NT you can find references to prophets in the 1st century church.
Amos.3[7] Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
2Chr.20[20] And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.
Are there modern day prophets? Do they speak the Word of God? If they don't speak the Word of God, what do they speak? What would you call it? If you do a search on "Word of the Lord" you will find many references to it both in the OT and the NT. It is a common reference when a prophet received a revelation from God.
So did Rick Joyner hear from God or did he make it all up?
First of all, we don't know how many people have received a revelation on who the Nicolaitans were. When I was researching this question many years ago, I found a lot of speculation about who they were and then I found Bob Jones revelation. I just Googled nicolaitans and found several good discussion about who they were and what they stood for which agree with Bob Jones' revelation. Now, if you really want to settle it in your own mind, ask Holy Spirit. As I said before, He knows everything and He never lies.
In the case of the writings of Rick Joyner and other modern day prophets like the two ladies that transcribed God Calling and God at Eventide, you should again ask Holy Spirit. If indeed, they transcribed the Word of the Lord, then you should heed what they have transcribed. If they were writing out of their own imaginations, then you should reject what they have said.
Now I ask you, did God give the words to Rick Joyner and the two ladies that wrote God Calling or did they make up the words? And if God gave them the message, is the message the Word of God? If it is not the Word of God, then what is it?
The Bible is very clear that prophets are a part of a modern day church: Eph 4:11, I Cor 14, I Cor 12. If you do a word search in the NT you can find references to prophets in the 1st century church.
Amos.3[7] Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
2Chr.20[20] And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.
Are there modern day prophets? Do they speak the Word of God? If they don't speak the Word of God, what do they speak? What would you call it? If you do a search on "Word of the Lord" you will find many references to it both in the OT and the NT. It is a common reference when a prophet received a revelation from God.
So did Rick Joyner hear from God or did he make it all up?
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Is this thread about, "Do you attend Church?"
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Nicolaitans
At the time I first did the research about who the Nicolaitans were, I found only Bob Jones revelation. However, I just did a search on the Internet, and found many more people that have the same revelation. Apparently Bob was the first to post it on the Internet, so you can stop laughing. This is very serious. For you to mock a prophet of God is very dangerous. "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm."
Bruce
At the time I first did the research about who the Nicolaitans were, I found only Bob Jones revelation. However, I just did a search on the Internet, and found many more people that have the same revelation. Apparently Bob was the first to post it on the Internet, so you can stop laughing. This is very serious. For you to mock a prophet of God is very dangerous. "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm."
Bruce
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Brother, there is no one here laughing at or mocking a Prophet, rather simply what a man, claiming to be one, has proposed. I personally would take Bob Jones claim with a grain of salt, because I think what the scripture has already revealed about ancient history, God (or the Holy Spirit if you will) considered sufficient and finished. If it were`nt so, what a mess modern day Prophets could make of the history of Christianity, all based on their personal 'revelations'.
It would surprise me if you did`nt find more people with the same revelation as Bob Jones, after all, most 'revelations' in Christiandom spread like wildfire, whether they are true or not, but common consensus is no sure marker for truth. The scripture is the sure marker, and anything man dares say or write using the name of God had better agree with it, or its utter nonsense.
This issue is much older than you and I, according to what the God said said in Jer 23:30 "I am against those prophets who take each other's words and proclaim them as my message."
Anyways i`m not familiar with the authors you speak of, or their writings, so I have no comment to make on them, nor do I wish to debate. I was simply addressing the issue of 'God said' versus 'a man said' as I see it.
It would surprise me if you did`nt find more people with the same revelation as Bob Jones, after all, most 'revelations' in Christiandom spread like wildfire, whether they are true or not, but common consensus is no sure marker for truth. The scripture is the sure marker, and anything man dares say or write using the name of God had better agree with it, or its utter nonsense.
This issue is much older than you and I, according to what the God said said in Jer 23:30 "I am against those prophets who take each other's words and proclaim them as my message."
Anyways i`m not familiar with the authors you speak of, or their writings, so I have no comment to make on them, nor do I wish to debate. I was simply addressing the issue of 'God said' versus 'a man said' as I see it.
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Your absolutely right! Human secularism in churches. Modern psychology as well (sangine, melancholy. Phlegmatic etc. etc.) professing themselves to be wise. Also Academia presents itself, (an example of hypocrisy "I went to school NOW im lead as a pastor, listen all and listen good, ssshhh dont tell ok?")
Modern day prophets
Coconut,
You make a serious error if you think that there are no modern day prophets. I have already given you many scriptures which show that prophecy is part of a NT church. I hang out with several prophets and also get prophetic messages myself.
Remember God wrote in Amos: Surely the Lord God will do nothing unless He reveals it through His servants the prophets. Has this statement been rescinded? Has God changed?
Remember, Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice." If you do not hear His voice, you may not be one of His sheep.
My experience with hearing His voice is that it takes a lot of listening. I spend a lot of time listening and not so much time praying. Listen and you shall hear. I have confirmation that this is necessary from other prophets.
Have you read God Calling? Read just a little and tell me who wrote it.
God Bless
B
Coconut,
You make a serious error if you think that there are no modern day prophets. I have already given you many scriptures which show that prophecy is part of a NT church. I hang out with several prophets and also get prophetic messages myself.
Remember God wrote in Amos: Surely the Lord God will do nothing unless He reveals it through His servants the prophets. Has this statement been rescinded? Has God changed?
Remember, Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice." If you do not hear His voice, you may not be one of His sheep.
My experience with hearing His voice is that it takes a lot of listening. I spend a lot of time listening and not so much time praying. Listen and you shall hear. I have confirmation that this is necessary from other prophets.
Have you read God Calling? Read just a little and tell me who wrote it.
God Bless
B
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We are the church.
We meet in our home at the moment, but wherever God's elect meet together: 1 Corinthians 3:9 "For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building." the church is assembled. Jesus said when two or three are gathered together...
We meet in our home at the moment, but wherever God's elect meet together: 1 Corinthians 3:9 "For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building." the church is assembled. Jesus said when two or three are gathered together...
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I go to church: Sunday service; Tues I work at Awana's; Wed's Neighborhood Bible study ... Now let me ask the question. If we look at Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three come together in my name, there I am with them." (NIV) so let me ask the question - what is your definition of church? If its where two or three come together in my name ... then I'm thinking we can count our participation in this blog in with the number of times we "go to church" ... what do you think?
