Does the Bible support Women Preachers? ( Debate -- Long video)

[Admon Mikha'el]

Jesus chose Paul to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, who are us. Only the Apostles were given authority to set Church doctrine. It was Paul who explained the body of Christ, the age of Grace, etc.. We quote Paul from his doctrines example (For by Grace you a saved). It is the Apostle Paul's doctrine whereby the Church operates. Pastors, preachers, bishops, etc. Do not pick and choose your verses. The Apostle Paul made it clear that women are not to Pastor a church.

You need to read that again! Why? You have it wrong! Paul did NOT forbid women to teach or preach. Read it. One problem here is....too many churches are false teachers

 

[MedicBravo]

Did you know that the first ones to preach the good news were women? "He is risen!!"

That doesn't make them teachers.
If anything they were reporting what they'd witnessed.
Women can NOT do everything in the church especially teach over men.

 

[Curtis]

If women were not allowed to speak for God, or under the control of the Holy Spirit, then there should be no place in the scriptures where we find women doing so, as God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (He changes not)

The Bible is filled with women speaking under the guidance and anointing of the Spirit of God.

Debora was one of Israel's greatest prophet and she was also the fourth “judge” to the nation of Israel. (Jesus referred to Judges as being called god's not because they were God, but because God spoke through them) She was so loved that the generals of Israel would not go to war unless she went with them into battle!!

Then we have “Miriam, Huldah, Noadiah, and the Prophet Isaiah's wife, whose name we do not know.

 

[MedicBravo]

If women were not allowed to speak for God, or under the control of the Holy Spirit, then there should be no place in the scriptures where we find women doing so, as God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (He changes not)

The Bible is filled with women speaking under the guidance and anointing of the Spirit of God.

Debora was one of Israel's greatest prophet and she was also the fourth “judge” to the nation of Israel. (Jesus referred to Judges as being called god's not because they were God, but because God spoke through them) She was so loved that the generals of Israel would not go to war unless she went with them into battle!!

Then we have “Miriam, Huldah, Noadiah, and the Prophet Isaiah's wife, whose name we do not know.

Prophet does not equal preacher/pastor/priest.
So?
Keep pushing this insistence they can and you make God a hypocrite.
This obsession with women "doing everything" but men can not is unhealthy.
The requirements for Christian leaders is clear and only in the male definitive.
A woman can NOT be a "husband" and she is not the leader of the family in the home.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

That doesn't make them teachers.
If anything they were reporting what they'd witnessed.
Women can NOT do everything in the church especially teach over men.

Wroong!!

 

[Hekuran]

I think many by now are familiar with both sides of the argument. So I won't share that any of those perspectives in this post ( I may later).

Ultimately we need the Holy Spirit to help us interpret the Scriptures. Some things are pretty clear, (do not commit adultery), and other things
require a bit more study and wisdom. In the end, on many of these debated issues, I think a strong personal relationship with God helps as the Holy
Spirit will lead us into all truth.

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. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it
is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine.
That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

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I can't speak for how God communicates to anyone else but for me and my family, I'll share that God often speaks to me in dreams.
Prior to coming to this country from Liberia, West Africa in 1980, God sent a dream to my mother about the war, prior to the war starting.
On a dream we obeyed and fled the country (before the war started) and we were saved.

God has sent my mother dreams when I was a child, doing certain things I wasn't suppose to do, and she confronted me because God had revealed
it to me in a dream.

God also directed me to the job that I'm at now, through a dream, and I started writing a dream journal in 2014 to better study my dreams.
I will often ask God to reveal certain things to me in dreams and that night the Lord sends me an answer, mostly that very same night.

With that said, I recently just left the United Methodist Church (where I was Pastoring) because they are now allowing same-sex marriages. I was praying for
God's timing, and after the General Conference God directed me that now was the time to step away, even though some of those changes
won't go into affect until next year.

I say all this to say that this week I asked God to send me a dream about this issue and what was his position.
I received a dream, and in the dream it was myself and two female members of the church, non of which were Pastors
but both has roles of educating and at times preaching a sermon from the pulpit. My interpretation of my dream
was that the Pastor was to be a man exercising authority in the church as scripture prescribe, yet women can be
gifted to carry out such task under the guidance of a male pastor.

Obviously this was my personal dream and I'm not putting it on anyone as I don't know where each person's personal relationship
with God is. But for me, I know how God speaks to me and has spoke to my family since I was 8 years old. So this is what I'm receiving
as the answer to my question combined with my personal study and reading all your replies.

I really appreciate the gentle and thoughtful way you've put this. Even though my study of scripture leads me to a slightly different conclusion, I want to give thanks to God for your wise and Godly ministry.

 

[MedicBravo]

Wroong!!

No.
There were NO female pastors/preachers/priests in the Bible.
Your reply has no backing to prove otherwise.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

No.
There were NO female pastors/preachers/priests in the Bible.
Your reply has no backing to prove otherwise.

These preachers might be insulted if you called them men.

• Deborah: In the Old Testament, Deborah stands out as a prophetess and a judge of Israel (Judges 4:4-5). Her role involved leadership, military strategy, and spiritual guidance, elements of pastoral responsibility.
• Priscilla: New Testament scriptures reveal Priscilla, alongside her husband Aquila, teaching and correcting Apollos, an eloquent preacher (Acts 18:24-26). This indicates her active role in teaching and spreading Christian doctrines.
• Phoebe: Described as a deacon in the church of Cenchreae (Romans 16:1-2), Phoebe’s role signifies her as a leader and benefactor, possibly engaging in preaching and teaching.

 

[First and the Last]

The question of whether the Bible supports women serving as pastors or preachers is one that requires careful consideration of Scripture and its context. The Bible includes various roles for women in ministry, such as prophetesses and influential leaders. For instance, Deborah served as a judge and prophetess (Judges 4-5), and Priscilla, alongside her husband Aquila, played a significant role in teaching Apollos more accurately about God (Acts 18:26). Furthermore, in Galatians 3:28, Paul emphasizes that in Christ, there is neither male nor female, indicating equality in the body of Christ. While traditional interpretations have often reserved pastoral roles for men, it is essential to recognize the gifting and calling of the Holy Spirit, which can empower both men and women for ministry. In our fellowship, we focus on the individual's calling and spiritual gifts, and we support the active participation of women in various ministry roles, always seeking to honor the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the teachings of Scripture.

 

[MedicBravo]

These preachers might be insulted if you called them men.

• Deborah: In the Old Testament, Deborah stands out as a prophetess and a judge of Israel (Judges 4:4-5). Her role involved leadership, military strategy, and spiritual guidance, elements of pastoral responsibility.
• Priscilla: New Testament scriptures reveal Priscilla, alongside her husband Aquila, teaching and correcting Apollos, an eloquent preacher (Acts 18:24-26). This indicates her active role in teaching and spreading Christian doctrines.
• Phoebe: Described as a deacon in the church of Cenchreae (Romans 16:1-2), Phoebe’s role signifies her as a leader and benefactor, possibly engaging in preaching and teaching.

1. Deborah was NOT teaching in the church. Again, prophetess is NOT the same as preacher/pastor/teacher.
2. Yes, her husband. A male preacher as required to guide and teach. Next?
3. Possibly? Not evidence. Given the roles all three women if teaching were teaching other WOMEN and children

How convenient you leave out Miriam and Aaron.
She questioned God and got punished justly for it. After that she NEVER stepped out of line or outside of her role.
Nice try.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

1. Deborah was NOT teaching in the church. Again, prophetess is NOT the same as preacher/pastor/teacher.
2. Yes, her husband. A male preacher as required to guide and teach. Next?
3. Possibly? Not evidence. Given the roles all three women if teaching were teaching other WOMEN and children

How convenient you leave out Miriam and Aaron.
She questioned God and got punished justly for it. After that she NEVER stepped out of line or outside of her role.
Nice try.

Well, you truly have no evidence for "NO WOMEN PREACHERS" in the bible. If you went by what Paul was actually saying.....

 

[Charlie24]

Well, you truly have no evidence for "NO WOMEN PREACHERS" in the bible. If you went by what Paul was actually saying.....

In 1 Tim 2:11-14, Paul told Timothy that he doesn't allow women to teach, or to have authority over the man.

Then he points out why. He said the woman (Eve) was in the transgression being deceived and not the man (Adam).

Then he begins chapter 3 with, "This is a true saying, if a MAN desires the office of pastor, he desires a good work."

What does the woman being deceived and not the man suggest to you in light of the qualifications of being a pastor?

 

[MedicBravo]

Well, you truly have no evidence for "NO WOMEN PREACHERS" in the bible. If you went by what Paul was actually saying.....

The requirements for a church teacher/pastor/preacher are clear and only in the male definitive.
How hard is it for you to say "Yes, Lord." and accept your role and others?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

In 1 Tim 2:11-14, Paul told Timothy that he doesn't allow women to teach, or to have authority over the man.

Then he points out why. He said the woman (Eve) was in the transgression being deceived and not the man (Adam).

Then he begins chapter 3 with, "This is a true saying, if a MAN desires the office of pastor, he desires a good work."

What does the woman being deceived and not the man suggest to you in light of the qualifications of being a pastor?

Paul said women should not have authority over the man....what man? Her man.

Since pentecost, when the Holy Spirit filled the people, both males and female.... Galatians 3:28 28 there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one. Within the church there is neither male nor female!!

If there is neither male nor female, how can the women keep silent?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

The requirements for a church teacher/pastor/preacher are clear and only in the male definitive.
How hard is it for you to say "Yes, Lord." and accept your role and others?

Gee Maybe Justin Trudeau was right.....Maybe it is 'peoplekind' instead of 'mankind' LOL Paul used only one gender for brevity?

My 'role' is to obey what God wants me to do....It is not to line up with unscriptural doctrines of man

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

1. Deborah was NOT teaching in the church. Again, prophetess is NOT the same as preacher/pastor/teacher.
2. Yes, her husband. A male preacher as required to guide and teach. Next?
3. Possibly? Not evidence. Given the roles all three women if teaching were teaching other WOMEN and children

How convenient you leave out Miriam and Aaron.
She questioned God and got punished justly for it. After that she NEVER stepped out of line or outside of her role.
Nice try.

I gave you only three examples, giving you a chance to do your own research.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

PLease excuse any typos I may make. My coodinadtion is slipping as I decline

 

[Charlie24]

Paul said women should not have authority over the man....what man? Her man.

Since pentecost, when the Holy Spirit filled the people, both males and female.... Galatians 3:28 28 there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one. Within the church there is neither male nor female!!

If there is neither male nor female, how can the women keep silent?

Here on earth there is male and female. You know better than this, and you know what Paul has said.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Here on earth there is male and female. You know better than this, and you know what Paul has said.

Yes, I do know what Paul said. He said that a woman should not usurp the authority of her man.
11 Let the isha (wife) learn in silence in all submission.


12 I do not allow an isha (wife) either to have teaching authority over or to have hishtaltut (domination, taking control) over [her] man, but to be in silence.


13 For Adam was formed rishonah (first), then Chavah.


14 And Adam was not deceived, but the isha, having been deceived, has come to be in averah (transgression).

 

[MedicBravo]

Paul said women should not have authority over the man....what man? Her man.

Since pentecost, when the Holy Spirit filled the people, both males and female.... Galatians 3:28 28 there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one. Within the church there is neither male nor female!!

If there is neither male nor female, how can the women keep silent?

Exactly!!
God knows we are different. He created us that way!
This is so simple yet so many are "offended" and likely for someone else.
When God gave the ONLY two human in existence their punishment and roles in life and the church, it was Just.
Both represent and are the Father and Mother (earthly) of humanity.
Therefore the role applied to Adam applies to all males.
The role on Eve applies to ALL females. Simple.

You can be certain that all "females" as pastors and priests are not and most certainly NOT Joyce Meyer.