Does the Bible support Women Preachers? ( Debate -- Long video)

[Curtis]

Wouldn’t that sound silly if Jesus told Mary after his resurrection to go find me a man (male) so I can send him to go tell my brothers I am risen from the dead? Jesus tells her (a women) to go tell my brothers (male) that I have risen from the dead. The very first preacher of the New Testament was a women. I guess Jesus did not know women are allowed to speak the Gospel to men under any circumstances. Who wants to tell Jesus today he made a huge mistake?

 

[Charlie24]

Wouldn’t that sound silly if Jesus told Mary after his resurrection to go find me a man (male) so I can send him to go tell my brothers I am risen from the dead? Jesus tells her (a women) to go tell my brothers (male) that I have risen from the dead. The very first preacher of the New Testament was a women. I guess Jesus did not know women are allowed to speak the Gospel to men under any circumstances. Who wants to tell Jesus today he made a huge mistake?

You can define preaching any way you like, that's ok. I'm saying that Christ sending Mary Magdalene to tell the men that Christ has risen does not make her a pastor of the Church or give her any authority over man.

You're talking about teaching and preaching outside the appointed office of the Church. I'm talking about the appointed office of pastor inside the Church as Paul gave instructions.

These women who call themselves pastors are not in the will of God, and have stepped out of their role and place in the Church.

 

[Charlie24]

You can define preaching any way you like, that's ok. I'm saying that Christ sending Mary Magdalene to tell the men that Christ has risen does not make her a pastor of the Church or give her any authority over man.

You're talking about teaching and preaching outside the appointed office of the Church. I'm talking about the appointed office of pastor inside the Church as Paul gave instructions.

These women who call themselves pastors are not in the will of God, and have stepped out of their role and place in the Church.

When I was younger we (some of my Church friends) would go out on the weekends street preaching anywhere in the city we could get permission.

We did this for years and brought many into the Church. I was preaching the Gospel and teaching the Gospel, but I was not a pastor of a Church.

 

[Curtis]

You can define preaching any way you like, that's ok. I'm saying that Christ sending Mary Magdalene to tell the men that Christ has risen does not make her a pastor of the Church or give her any authority over man.

You're talking about teaching and preaching outside the appointed office of the Church. I'm talking about the appointed office of pastor inside the Church as Paul gave instructions.

These women who call themselves pastors are not in the will of God, and have stepped out of their role and place in the Church.

You are wrong according to the scriptures as a woman (Mary) was never allowed to preach/teach the Gospel to any man according to your Church doctrine.

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Why would Jesus send a "woman" to preach the Gospel to men that is against scripture?

 

[Charlie24]

You are wrong according to the scriptures as a woman (Mary) was never allowed to preach/teach the Gospel to any man according to your Church doctrine.

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Why would Jesus send a "woman" to preach the Gospel to men that is against scripture?

When are you going to understand that I'm talking about the official appointment of making a woman a pastor?

The official office that Paul gave the qualifications in becoming a pastor.

It's an entirely different story outside the official positions in the Church, as we see in Scripture.

Outside these official positions of the Church a woman can witness to a man, and even give him a sermon.

But again, she can hold no official appointment in the Church that gives her authority over a man.

 

[Curtis]

Outside these official positions of the Church a woman can witness to a man, and even give him a sermon.

That is not what you said earlier. Women are never allowed to preach to men. Can women be a prophet in the Church? That is a ministry gift, which allows women to proclaim the divine counsels of God in a Church. But wait women are not allowed to speak in the Church if men are present according to your Church doctrine.

 

[Charlie24]

That is not what you said earlier. Women are never allowed to preach to men. Can women be a prophet in the Church? That is a ministry gift, which allows women to proclaim the divine counsels of God in a Church. But wait women are not allowed to speak in the Church if men are present according to your Church doctrine.

I have said for the entire conversation that a woman cannot have authority over a man, that means having the authority of pastor or teacher over a man.

Of course a woman outside that official appointment can witness to a man or explain the Gospel in sermon style if they desire.

And what purpose would a prophet serve today as we have the full Word of God to guide us?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You can define preaching any way you like, that's ok. I'm saying that Christ sending Mary Magdalene to tell the men that Christ has risen does not make her a pastor of the Church or give her any authority over man.

You're talking about teaching and preaching outside the appointed office of the Church. I'm talking about the appointed office of pastor inside the Church as Paul gave instructions.

These women who call themselves pastors are not in the will of God, and have stepped out of their role and place in the Church.

Hey Charlie....don't tell that to me! You go tell God He's wrong

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

When are you going to understand that I'm talking about the official appointment of making a woman a pastor?

The official office that Paul gave the qualifications in becoming a pastor.

It's an entirely different story outside the official positions in the Church, as we see in Scripture.

Outside these official positions of the Church a woman can witness to a man, and even give him a sermon.

But again, she can hold no official appointment in the Church that gives her authority over a man.

What makes an appointment official? God sending or man sending?

 

[Charlie24]

Hey Charlie....don't tell that to me! You go tell God He's wrong

Meanwhile send me one of your prophets and I'll tell you if they're in the will of God or not.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Meanwhile send me one of your prophets and I'll tell you if they're in the will of God or not.

Do you think the Holy Spirit is incapable of telling me Himself?

 

[Charlie24]

What makes an appointment official? God sending or man sending?

That's like everything else, a matter of interpretation.

God makes the appointment happen if that body is in His will.

If not, you end up with a Joel Osteen.

 

[Charlie24]

Do you think the Holy Spirit is incapable of telling me Himself?

We have all we need in God's Word, with the Holy Spirit guiding, you have no need of a so-called prophet.

 

[Curtis]

what purpose would a prophet serve today as we have the full Word of God to guide us?

Who sets in the Church ministry gifts? Not men! What does a modern New Testament prophet say today?

1Co 14:3 But [on the other hand], the one who prophesies [who interprets the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching] speaks to men for their upbuilding and constructive spiritual progress and encouragement and consolation. (AMP)

Does this sound useful to the Church?

 

[Curtis]

We have all we need in God's Word, with the Holy Spirit guiding, you have no need of a so-called prophet.

If we don't need prophets then we also don't need pastors, teachers, evangelists, or apostles either.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

We have all we need in God's Word, with the Holy Spirit guiding, you have no need of a so-called prophet.

That's not what the Word says. Paul said "

1 Corinthians 14:38-40 King James Version​

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.​

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
You really do need to learn the Word....Let the Holy Spirit teach you

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

That's not what the Word says. Paul said "

1 Corinthians 14:38-40 King James Version​

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.​

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
You really do need to learn the Word....Let the Holy Spirit teach you The essence of the gift of prophecy is the foundation of using every gift of the Spirit. To heal or do other miraculous things, I must first be able to hear from God.

 

[Charlie24]

Who sets in the Church ministry gifts? Not men! What does a modern New Testament prophet say today?

1Co 14:3 But [on the other hand], the one who prophesies [who interprets the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching] speaks to men for their upbuilding and constructive spiritual progress and encouragement and consolation. (AMP)

Does this sound useful to the Church?

Curtis, we totally disagree on what a prophet is. A prophet is not a pastor, it's one of the 9 gifts apart from the office of pastor.

A prophet that gives prophecies is one who foretells, not one who preaches.

We will also disagree on whether all the gifts are still in effect.

 

[Charlie24]

That's not what the Word says. Paul said "

1 Corinthians 14:38-40 King James Version​

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.​

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
You really do need to learn the Word....Let the Holy Spirit teach you

I'm not going to pick up the beat to death gifts of the Spirit again. It's been worn out of late.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I'm not going to pick up the beat to death gifts of the Spirit again. It's been worn out of late.

No You've already beat them down enough. You don't have to worry about any of them happening to you....Why? Its in believing that you see.