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Elect according to the foreknowledge of God

I agree. On the salvation issue, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Not all those who are saved will inherit the millennial kingdom. You won’t lose your salvation, but you may lose your reward. Not ruling with a rod of iron, but being ruled by a rod of iron, plain and simple.
 
Of course none of the ones that left Egypt entered the promised land. Including Moses himself.
But none of them returned to Egypt either, that’s the point. They crossed the Red Sea, the bridge was burnt, those Egyptians they shall see no more.
 
Not all those who are saved will inherit the millennial kingdom. You won’t lose your salvation, but you may lose your reward. Not ruling with a rod of iron, but being ruled by a rod of iron, plain and simple.
Where do you find that in Scripture?
 
Where do you find that in Scripture?
Somewhere in 1 Cor. that says our works will be tested through fiery trials to see what sort it is; if it’s burned, then you’ll still be saved, but no reward.

Also, all mentions of “weeping and gnashing of teeth” in Matthew were describing this, being shut out of the party and stranded in the streets at night.
 
Somewhere in 1 Cor. that says our works will be tested through fiery trials to see what sort it is; if it’s burned, then you’ll still be saved, but no reward.

Also, all mentions of “weeping and gnashing of teeth” in Matthew were describing this, being shut out of the party and stranded in the streets at night.
The context of that passage in 1 Cor. Is teachers. But I don't recall anything there about rewards. Regarding weeping and gnashing of teeth, I believe that's a reference to an Old Testent passage that speaks of the wicked gnashing their teeth at the righteous.

Psalm 112
Praise ye the Lord.
Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord,
That delighteth greatly in his commandments.
His seed shall be mighty upon earth:
The generation of the upright shall be blessed.
Wealth and riches shall be in his house:
And his righteousness endureth for ever.
Unto the upright there ariseth light in the darkness:
He is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.
A good man sheweth favour, and lendeth:
He will guide his affairs with discretion.
Surely he shall not be moved for ever:
The righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance.
He shall not be afraid of evil tidings:
His heart is fixed, trusting in the Lord.
His heart is established, he shall not be afraid,
Until he see his desire upon his enemies.
He hath dispersed, he hath given to the poor;
His righteousness endureth for ever;
His horn shall be exalted with honour.
The wicked shall see it, and be grieved;
He shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away:
The desire of the wicked shall perish.
 
The context of that passage in 1 Cor. Is teachers. But I don't recall anything there about rewards. Regarding weeping and gnashing of teeth, I believe that's a reference to an Old Testent passage that speaks of the wicked gnashing their teeth at the righteous.
So it's not ever believer's job to share the gospel? Last time I checked, it says EVERY MAN'S WORK shall be made manifest, not just the deacons, pastors and bishops. How could you not see this since you know the eternal covenant so well? Spiritual birth is just like physical birth, once you're out, you can't go back in.

Contrary to the dichotomy of heaven and hell - or New Jerusalem and the Lake of Fire, before that Christ will return and rule for literally 1000 years with the saints, that's prospect of future millennial kingdom at hand. This is ignored in traditional teachings and doctrines of amillennialism. In that kingdom, some will be called the greatest and some will be called the least. There will still be a hierarchy there. In the parable of the talents, those three servants received different amounts of reward based on their work. The last one received nothing, as his reward is given to the first, the little he has is taken, that's why there's weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
So it's not ever believer's job to share the gospel? Last time I checked, it says EVERY MAN'S WORK shall be made manifest, not just the deacons, pastors and bishops. How could you not see this since you know the eternal covenant so well? Spiritual birth is just like physical birth, once you're out, you can't go back in.

Contrary to the dichotomy of heaven and hell - or New Jerusalem and the Lake of Fire, before that Christ will return and rule for literally 1000 years with the saints, that's prospect of future millennial kingdom at hand. This is ignored in traditional teachings and doctrines of amillennialism. In that kingdom, some will be called the greatest and some will be called the least. There will still be a hierarchy there. In the parable of the talents, those three servants received different amounts of reward based on their work. The last one received nothing, as his reward is given to the first, the little he has is taken, that's why there's weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Every man can mean different things depending on context. However, I don't see anything that say the one whose works are burned up is denied access to the Kingdom.

The parable does say the unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness. That doesn't sound like the Kingdom to me. I don't see anything here that indicates this servant was saved but denied access to the Kingdom.
 
Every man can mean different things depending on context. However, I don't see anything that say the one whose works are burned up is denied access to the Kingdom.

The parable does say the unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness. That doesn't sound like the Kingdom to me. I don't see anything here that indicates this servant was saved but denied access to the Kingdom.
I never said that one whose works are burned up is denied access to the Kingdom. On the contrary, he WILL be saved and thus going into the kingdom, and SO is the UNPROFITABLE SERVANT. "Outer darkness" was an idiom of out in the street at night, there was no street lights at ancient time. The kingdom covers the WHOLE EARTH, not just one nation state that covers a small region. If this servant is denied access, then where does he go? The answer is not the Lake of Fire, not yet, but outside of the wedding party. Same goes to the five foolish virgins or the guest that isn't dressed in proper apparel in the two wedding parables. Back at the very beginning there was the Garden of Eden and the outside, and the holy temple also had the inner court and the outer court, so will be the future kingdom. Only the saints who inherit the kingdom will have the access to the inner court and rule with Christ, others don't have that privelege.
 
I never said that one whose works are burned up is denied access to the Kingdom. On the contrary, he WILL be saved and thus going into the kingdom, and SO is the UNPROFITABLE SERVANT. "Outer darkness" was an idiom of out in the street at night, there was no street lights at ancient time. The kingdom covers the WHOLE EARTH, not just one nation state that covers a small region. If this servant is denied access, then where does he go? The answer is not the Lake of Fire, not yet, but outside of the wedding party. Same goes to the five foolish virgins or the guest that isn't dressed in proper apparel in the two wedding parables. Back at the very beginning there was the Garden of Eden and the outside, and the holy temple also had the inner court and the outer court, so will be the future kingdom. Only the saints who inherit the kingdom will have the access to the inner court and rule with Christ, others don't have that privelege.
In post 421 you said this,

"Not all those who are saved will inherit the millennial kingdom. You won’t lose your salvation, but you may lose your reward. Not ruling with a rod of iron, but being ruled by a rod of iron, plain and simple."

How does one be saved and not inherit the Kingdom? The land inheritance is the very thing that is inherited. The land is Christ's inheritance and the Christian's inheritance by way of Christ. If this one doesn't inherit the Kingdom, what is his inheritance
 
How does one be saved and not inherit the Kingdom? The land inheritance is the very thing that is inherited. The land is Christ's inheritance and the Christian's inheritance by way of Christ. If this one doesn't inherit the Kingdom, what is his inheritance
No inheritance, working as hirelings at the best. You may have access, but no ownership. "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?" 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
 
No inheritance, working as hirelings at the best. You may have access, but no ownership. "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?" 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
That doesn't seem to fit with Scripture. The whole point in salvation is the inheritance. The unrighteous don't inherit the Kingdom because they are lost
 
That doesn't seem to fit with Scripture. The whole point in salvation is the inheritance. The unrighteous don't inherit the Kingdom because they are lost
Salvation is a trinity of its own like the Holy Trinity, there're the justification, the sanctification and the glorification. Justification is just the start, that's what the Lord died for, the full payment for the penalty of sin on the cross; glorification is the end, the final resurrection with incorruptible body; but in between is the sanctification, our spiritual journey down the narrow path of righteousness following the guide of the Spirit. If we fail to follow the Spirit and walk down this path, we won't reach the end, that's why blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is unpardonable. That's like you're sick, you've got a diagnosis and a treatment plan, yet you refuse to comply with the treatment and continue to indulge in the substance and/or behavior that got you sick in the first place, and you'll be held accountable and punished harder than unbelievers. As long as you hold onto the impression that salvation is a one and done deal, a ticket to heaven, a life insurance policy, or worse, a license to sin, you won't get it.
 
Salvation is a trinity of its own like the Holy Trinity, there're the justification, the sanctification and the glorification. Justification is just the start, that's what the Lord died for, the full payment for the penalty of sin on the cross; glorification is the end, the final resurrection with incorruptible body; but in between is the sanctification, our spiritual journey down the narrow path of righteousness following the guide of the Spirit. If we fail to follow the Spirit and walk down this path, we won't reach the end, that's why blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is unpardonable. That's like you're sick, you've got a diagnosis and a treatment plan, yet you refuse to comply with the treatment and continue to indulge in the substance and/or behavior that got you sick in the first place, and you'll be held accountable and punished harder than unbelievers. As long as you hold onto the impression that salvation is a one and done deal, a ticket to heaven, a life insurance policy, or worse, a license to sin, you won't get it.
Where do you find that in Scripture? Salvation, as I see it, is salvation from death. The wages of sin is death, as Paul says, but the gift of God is eternal lfe. Salvation is being raised from the dead to die more. That would be a one and done deal. However, I don't believe it's a "ticket to Heaven" since I don't ont find anything in Scripture that says people go to Heaven. I'm just not seeing anything here that indicates people are saved but don't inherit the Kingdom. They very point of being saved is to inherit the land which belongs to Christ. As Paul said, ' if you are Christ's you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise'.
 
Where do you find that in Scripture? Salvation, as I see it, is salvation from death. The wages of sin is death, as Paul says, but the gift of God is eternal lfe. Salvation is being raised from the dead to die more. That would be a one and done deal. However, I don't believe it's a "ticket to Heaven" since I don't ont find anything in Scripture that says people go to Heaven. I'm just not seeing anything here that indicates people are saved but don't inherit the Kingdom. They very point of being saved is to inherit the land which belongs to Christ. As Paul said, ' if you are Christ's you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise'.
Then why did Paul write about the loss of inheritance in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11? Why did Yeshua warn about holding the five bad churches accountable in the seven letters? Those were NOT talking about the unbelievers, those were addressed to the churches. Even if it was a one and done deal, then the unpardonable sin is a deal breaker.
 
Then why did Paul write about the loss of inheritance in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11? Why did Yeshua warn about holding the five bad churches accountable in the seven letters? Those were NOT talking about the unbelievers, those were addressed to the churches. Even if it was a one and done deal, then the unpardonable sin is a deal breaker.
Because they would be lost.
 
Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That Election gives one a special interest in Christ before they believe in Him, because even before they do so, Christ claims them as His Own " Other Sheep I have"

This word have is the greek word echo and means:

to have, i.e. to hold

to have i.e. own, possess

to be closely joined to a person or a thing


And its rendered in the present tense, Other Sheep I am having or owning !

And this True of them before hearing His Voice which is a prerequisite before believing, even before they listen to Him or Hearken; But the key here is that before such, He still is having them by Election! Eph 1:4 In fact, If Christ had no interest in His Sheep by Election, for His Father gave them Him Jn 10:29a " My Father, which gave them me" there would have been no basis for Him to die for them and redeem them ! 3
 
Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That Election gives one a special interest in Christ before they believe in Him, because even before they do so, Christ claims them as His Own " Other Sheep I have"

This word have is the greek word echo and means:

to have, i.e. to hold

to have i.e. own, possess

to be closely joined to a person or a thing


And its rendered in the present tense, Other Sheep I am having or owning !

And this True of them before hearing His Voice which is a prerequisite before believing, even before they listen to Him or Hearken; But the key here is that before such, He still is having them by Election! Eph 1:4 In fact, If Christ had no interest in His Sheep by Election, for His Father gave them Him Jn 10:29a " My Father, which gave them me" there would have been no basis for Him to die for them and redeem them ! 3
How does someone hear His voice today?
 
Which means losing inheritance in the end. That’s a subtle difference between “I never knew you” to the unbelievers and “I don’t know you” to the five foolish virgins.
He doesn't know either group. Thus, indicating that both are lost.
 
He doesn't know either group. Thus, indicating that both are lost.
Ultimately both will go down into the Lake of Fire, but their fates are still different, regarding salvation. You see, in Rev. 20, after the 1000 years of the millennial kingdom, Satan will rally an army and wage a war against Christ and the saints. How is it possible that anybody , having literally reigned with Christ and lived in a real utopia, would rebel against the Lord? And their own inheritance? How could co-heir with Christ to that? I believe this is talking about those who are cast into utter darkness, or in your word, those who are lost. You can't imagine salvation with no inheritance, I can't imagine inheritance with rebellion.
 
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