ELON Musk receives Jesus? ( Sinner's prayer yes or no? )

[Jesus_is_LORD]

So watch just the first 3 minutes of this

then watch from starting point here 3:16 to 6:00

( 3:16 to 6:00)



So should the sinner's prayer be the preferred method of resting in the security of
one's conversion?

Should it not be used at all?

Or should it be used and followed up with discipleship?

How did Jesus and the disciple introduce people to God in the Bible?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Or is it ok to use the sinner's prayer because it puts the focus more on God's work (faith)
and not on our repentance, since God is the author and finisher of our faith, and it is not our doing?

Is there a happy balance to this, or is it either OR?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

This goes back to topic of Repentance @God's Truth and @GodB4Us .

Kindly, please share both of your thoughts on the videos above please.

 

[God's Truth]

So watch just the first 3 minutes of this

then watch from starting point here 3:16 to 6:00

( 3:16 to 6:00)



So should the sinner's prayer be the preferred method of resting in the security of
one's conversion?

Okay, I watched both, I didn't see in the first video anything about a sinner's prayer.
Didn't they just ask if Elon wanted Jesus as his Savior?
Are they eventually going to tell him that he has to confess and repent of his sins to Jesus, and crucify himself to sins with Jesus on the cross, die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus by obeying Jesus?

I don't know the beliefs of the BabylonBee. So I do wonder are they telling Elon he is saved, or if they are telling him that is just the beginning to getting saved?

The second video the preacher knows of the false faith alone teachings, and that is something I definitely agree with.

Should it not be used at all?

Again, did I miss where Elon said the sinners prayer?
I heard there are many sinner's prayers.
I would have to hear what the prayer is.
It would depend what it is.

Or should it be used and followed up with discipleship?

Being saved makes one blessed as a disciple, a family member and friend to Jesus.
Is that what you mean?

How did Jesus and the disciple introduce people to God in the Bible?

The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ is with John the baptizer preparing the way by having the people confess and repent of their sins and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Jesus preached the same thing, to repent of their sins.
He also taught to believe in him that they had to go through him to belong to the Father.
He taught about faith and obedience, how one must change to that of a little child ready to do everything the Father says. He taught to obey him and that they would receive the Holy Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

Or is it ok to use the sinner's prayer because it puts the focus more on God's work (faith)
and not on our repentance, since God is the author and finisher of our faith, and it is not our doing?

Is there a happy balance to this, or is it either OR?

Are all sinner's prayers the same? I think I heard a commercial with the preacher Graham tell people to repeat a prayer with him or something to that effect and if they accepted they would be saved. I remember thinking that it just isn't enough. A person needs to know that they have to live their life not sinning and will have to train themselves to do right. Jesus gives us his Spirit to live with us when he accepts us.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

You are correct, they didn't give him the sinners prayer but just asked the question.

I guess that was more of an example for that style of evangelism.

Is there a balance you would say between having people put forth as
much effort as they can, but also be able to rest in their assurance of being
saved?

 

[God's Truth]

You are correct, they didn't give him the sinners prayer but just asked the question.

I guess that was more of an example for that style of evangelism.

I wonder though if they were just starting him off, or if they are telling him he is now saved by just saying yes?

Is there a balance you would say between having people put forth as
much effort as they can, but also be able to rest in their assurance of being
saved?

Could you give me an example?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I wonder though if they were just starting him off on, or if they are telling him he is now saved by just saying yes?

Sounded like they were telling him he was saved, but I didn't watch the full video.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Could you give me an example?

Sure.

So I'll start with the extremes and perhaps by showing you the extremes you will find where the middle is.

So for example someone says your eating is off, and states, what do you mean? And the reply is you are an extreme eater,
you are fasting all the time and starving yourself of food, or always binge eating like a gluttonous person.

Or someone says, this house is always feeling extreme, it is either freezing hot, or too cold like a freezer. Where is the balance.


So to relate it to this discussion. On one extreme is people who say, God is the author and finisher of our faith and if you prayed the prayer
and you believed that God will finish the work He started, you don't need to worry about sinning and God will give you the faith to repent,
Just relax God will make it all happen. This is extreme on the trusting in God part and not causing people to fear that maybe they are not saved.



On the other extreme side is those who say, you have to be perfect of getting better each day. If you slip into sin after you have repented
you are not saved and you are going to hell. You need to work hard and if you work hard enough you will earn your salvation because
you worked hard enough by staying away from sin which showed that you were saved. This is extreme because it leaves no room for Grace
and assurance in one's salvation.

So my question is, is there a balance, or is it one of those extremes, in your mind?
Either you need to WILL yourself into heaven by YOUR hard work, or the other side, just BELIEVE and GOD will work it all out through His irresistible Grace.

 

[God's Truth]

Sure.

So I'll start with the extremes and perhaps by showing you the extremes you will find where the middle is.

So for example someone says your eating is off, and states, what do you mean? And the reply is you are an extreme eater,
you are fasting all the time and starving yourself of food, or always binge eating like a gluttonous person.

Or someone says, this house is always feeling extreme, it is either freezing hot, or too cold like a freezer. Where is the balance.


So to relate it to this discussion. On one extreme is people who say, God is the author and finisher of our faith and if you prayed the prayer
and you believed that God will finish the work He started, you don't need to worry about sinning and God will give you the faith to repent,
Just relax God will make it all happen. This is extreme on the trusting in God part and not causing people to fear that maybe they are not saved.



On the other extreme side is those who say, you have to be perfect of getting better each day. If you slip into sin after you have repented
you are not saved and you are going to hell. You need to work hard and if you work hard enough you will earn your salvation because
you worked hard enough by staying away from sin which showed that you were saved. This is extreme because it leaves no room for Grace
and assurance in one's salvation.

So my question is, is there a balance, or is it one of those extremes, in your mind?
Either you need to WILL yourself into heaven by YOUR hard work, or the other side, just BELIEVE and GOD will work it all out through His irresistible Grace.

We have to do the obeying and it isn't all hard work, it's joy in the Spirit; and, there is no such thing as just believe. So it is hard to want to put my beliefs in the middle of that. lol

When we are saved, we are perfect and holy without sin and now we live up to that. We work out our salvation and we train ourselves to do right. If anyone does sin Jesus will forgive us, and he is patient.

 

[MedicBravo]

@Jesus_is_LORD
I don't think they should have put him on the spot regardless of who the person is.
Many are not quite "there" and Elon seems to be one where he hasn't learned well but also has adopted some of the false stereotypes and "rules". I don't know the man and so any attempt at putting him in a place where he is with God is flawed.
I know he doesn't rush to speak and pauses so he gets the best words out for the topic. I don't like all the laughter. It sounds like a bunch of stereotypical annoying teenage girls. He uses humor when he doesn't know or have the best answer at the time. How he depicted the wedding. We know that's not how it went down but I think he knows he's lacking in his knowledge of God and the Bible regardless of where he is.
There are far worse people like Joel Osteen, his wife, Graham, and Myers.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@Jesus_is_LORD
I don't think they should have put him on the spot regardless of who the person is.
Many are not quite "there" and Elon seems to be one where he hasn't learned well but also has adopted some of the false stereotypes and "rules". I don't know the man and so any attempt at putting him in a place where he is with God is flawed.
I know he doesn't rush to speak and pauses so he gets the best words out for the topic. I don't like all the laughter. It sounds like a bunch of stereotypical annoying teenage girls. He uses humor when he doesn't know or have the best answer at the time. How he depicted the wedding. We know that's not how it went down but I think he knows he's lacking in his knowledge of God and the Bible regardless of where he is.
There are far worse people like Joel Osteen, his wife, Graham, and Myers.

Great points you mention.

Yea, I didn't like how he spoke of the wedding as well.

 

[GodB4Us]

So watch just the first 3 minutes of this

then watch from starting point here 3:16 to 6:00

( 3:16 to 6:00)



So should the sinner's prayer be the preferred method of resting in the security of
one's conversion?

Should it not be used at all?

Or should it be used and followed up with discipleship?

How did Jesus and the disciple introduce people to God in the Bible?

Elon Musk needs to learn of Jesus Christ personally per the first video in order to believe in Him to be saved and to live as His disciples after salvation.

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

This video seems to testify that he has not been found by Jesus yet. Indeed, he deflected from accepting Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour when asked.

Elon Musk comes across that he believes about Jesus Christ but not personally in Jesus Christ even though he claims he has read the Bible. Elon Musk acts as if he does not know Jesus personally for why he is not forward about telling others the Good News in Christ. So pray for him that the Father may draw him unto the Son to believe in Him to be saved and to learn of Him and His words in trusting Him as His Good Shepherd to help him to follow Him in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

The second video is making the error of mixing discipleship with salvation. He fails to apply the parable of the Sower to those that have received the seed, hence Christ and salvation, but were not fruitful afterwards as His disciples.

Unless Elon Musk had believed in Him at one time but just did not root himself in His words to believe how He can help us to follow Him as His disciples in bearing fruit, I cannot tell if he is an actual believer or not. Looks to me that Jesus is still on the backburner as far as Elon Musk is concern in accepting Him as His Saviour by believing in Him to be saved otherwise he would have just come out and said He had already accepted Him as His Saviour, but he did not.. He was trying to be respectful to those Christians on the show and yet by not aligning himself with that belief in Jesus Christ, he is denying Him, but since former believers are denying Him but He still abides, I cannot tell if he is saved or not but he is in danger of being denied by Him at the rapture event... unless he repents before the Bridegroom comes if he was a believer at one time or he becomes a new believer before the Bridegroom comes.

It is possible for a saved believer to have forgotten that they had believed at one time as a child when they do not pursue that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ, but Elon Musk needs our prayers obviously.

 

[God's Truth]

I do want to say that someone telling you of a sin you are doing and helping you to repent of it can be a powerful.

 

[MedicBravo]

Great points you mention.

Yea, I didn't like how he spoke of the wedding as well.

We have a flawed POV by default.
I'm not making excuses for him but only God knows the true meaning behind what he said and how he said it. Was it really "mockery" or simply humor? Anxiety can be reduced by humor.
I watched the video and I don't pick up there is intentional mockery like you'd see from others. Ricky Gervais on the other hand...

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

We have a flawed POV by default.
I'm not making excuses for him but only God knows the true meaning behind what he said and how he said it. Was it really "mockery" or simply humor? Anxiety can be reduced by humor.
I watched the video and I don't pick up there is intentional mockery like you'd see from others. Ricky Gervais on the other hand...

You are spot on @MedicBravo when you say that God knows the true meaning. Indeed, you are correct.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@God's Truth

Listen to first 3 minutes here. This points to what I mean as balance as well.

What are your thoughts on what the speaker says in the first 3 minutes about
faith & repentance. Not faith vs repentance but faith and repentance, and some
are scared that if you teach Grace it will cause people to sin more.

Share as well @GodB4Us and @Godbehonored , just the first 3 minutes of the video.

If you want his definition of legalism it is around 6 minutes and 16 seconds in the video.

 

[God's Truth]

@God's Truth

Listen to first 3 minutes here. This points to what I mean as balance as well.

What are your thoughts on what the speaker says in the first 3 minutes about
faith & repentance. Not faith vs repentance but faith and repentance, and some
are scared that if you teach Grace it will cause people to sin more.

Share as well @GodB4Us and @Godbehonored , just the first 3 minutes of the video.

If you want his definition of legalism it is around 6 minutes and 16 seconds in the video.

What that man teaches is the evilness that hinders people from getting saved and or knowing God better.

He is one who wasn't taught by Jesus, he most likely went to seminary school and was taught by men who were taught by men who misunderstood.

They go against Jesus himself who says repent of your sins or perish.

They go against the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ where John warns the vipers to repent of their sins.

The preacher in the video said justification is by faith alone and says that repentance is fruit of faith and that it will follow, and that obedience is the fruit of of faith.

We have to repent of our sins BEFORE we get saved! Justification by faith alone ACCORDING to Jesus means I only have to have faith that Jesus' blood washes me clean OF THE SINS I REPENT OF instead of my having to get the blood of a lamb.

Justification by faith alone according to these false teachers means I don't have to repent of my sins first and that I am to only have faith and that if I do anything more then I am condemned.

Who but the devil would be behind that teaching?

Many people have faith in Jesus and can't figure out why they don't really feel loved by Jesus and then they have false teachers say you are loved just have more faith.

The reason why all these people don't know God is because they don't do what God says to do.

God loves those who love Him by obeying Him.

These false teachers are confusing people with all their ways to justify how their false teachings aren't really what they seem.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

They go against Jesus himself who says repent of your sins or perish.

Can you point me to where you heard him say that we don't need to repent?

I didn't hear that. Did you?

 

[God's Truth]

Can you point me to where you heard him say that we don't need to repent?

I didn't hear that. Did you?

He says it in the first 3 minutes.

I have tried to explain this to you before and you are resisting it.

Listen to what that man says, he says we are justified by faith alone.

Do you agree that when we are justified we are saved?

Please answer that first because I want so mush for you to understand and see where the false teaching is.

I will explain more after you answer that.