ELON Musk receives Jesus? ( Sinner's prayer yes or no? )

[God's Truth]

I didn't mean to say isn't that faith the "works",

typo, I meant to say doesn't that faith with with repentance?

That is NOT faith with repentance. That is the false teachings of faith alone. To claim coming to Christ and having faith is repentance is WRONG.
Faith with repentance is to actually confess and repent of your sins to Jesus, and have faith that his shed blood on the cross washes you clean.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Then just believing---LIKE THE MAN IN THE VIDEO SAYS, is wrong!

You promoted that man and what he says.

Did this man, not link this faith to repentance or not???

Did he not say the two follow each other? Should I show you the clip?

 

[God's Truth]

Who repented after they were saved?
Once again, I"m not hearing the preacher say you don't have to repent to get saved.
Repeating myself, I'm hearing him say, repentance is the fruit of faith. Not that you don't need it.

THE FRUIT MEANS AFTER YOU ARE SAVED.
He is saying faith alone saves and then after you are saved you will repent of your sins and obey.

But you can't repent if you have not one to believe in.

That doesn't even make sense. Good grief.
We are talking about believing in Jesus.
Why on earth would you say but you can't repent if you don't believe in one?

Let's make it real simple.

Why don't dogs repent?
Why don't cats repent?

NO. Don't give me your analogies. They are not in the Bible and that is not helpful.

Well they have not one to put their faith in.

If God never sent a prophet or never Jesus, would we repent?
Of course not. We would have no one to put our faith in?

I'm not saying we don't repent. I'm saying when you are repenting
you have to trust in someone to turn to? Yes?

You aren't making sense. Who said not to believe in Jesus? Try to focus.

That is where faith comes in. You don't just repent in a vacuum.

You repent when you have someone to turn to. That is where the faith is at work at the same time.
See the picture?

You aren't making sense. No one is saying you don't have to have faith in Jesus. Why do you keep saying that?

 

[God's Truth]

I still don't see how you see my phrase "I heard him say that repentance is the fruit of faith in Jesus."
as being "faith alone".

I don't see it.

Because he says faith alone justifies and that a person will start obedience and repenting after they are justified, which is saved, and saying repentance is the FRUIT is to say it is after you are saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Did this man, not link this faith to repentance or not???

Did he not say the two follow each other? Should I show you the clip?

Don't you even know that the clip starts out with him defending faith alone?!!!!! Didn't you even hear him say that if you think you have to do something (like repent of your sins) then you are not ready to hear the gospel?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

THE FRUIT MEANS AFTER YOU ARE SAVED.
He is saying faith alone saves and then after you are saved you will repent of your sins and obey.

Yes, fruit means after, you are correct. But that does not mean it is alone.
Where does the fruit come from??? The seed. It is already there in the seed
but it is growing.

You are confusing sequence with exclusivity.
I'm saying they go together.

Won't you agree that some people come to faith in Christ but
only later learn that some things there are doing are wrong, and later have
to repent?

For example, some may come to faith in Jesus Christ because they hear the gospel John 3:16,
but never knew that maybe watching rated R movies were wrong.

And later repent of those things.

Or some may have never knew that cursing was bad, and later repented after coming to faith.

Are you telling me that 100% of our sins we repent immediately when we decide to follow Christ?
Or are there somethings that people learn later that they need to repent of??

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Don't you even know that the clip starts out with him defending faith alone?!!!!! Didn't you even hear him say that if you think you have to do something (like repent of your sins) then you are not ready to hear the gospel?

Yes, I heard him say that.

Then I heard him bring clarity and speak about repentance.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes, fruit means after, you are correct. But that does not mean it is alone.

You must not be focused. He said obedience and repentance are fruit. That means faith that gets you saved was alone.

Where does the fruit come from??? The seed. It is already there in the seed
but it is growing.
You are confusing sequence with exclusivity.

I'm not confusing anything.
You don't know what you are saying you are stuck.

I'm saying they go together.

You say it comes after faith. I say it goes together! You say it is the fruit. I say repentance and faith are how to get saved. You don't say that and that man doesn't either.

Won't you agree that some people come to faith in Christ but
only later learn that some things there are doing are wrong, and later have
to repent?

What does that have to do with needing to repent of sins to get saved? You don't see what you are doing?

For example, some may come to faith in Jesus Christ because they hear the gospel John 3:16,
but never knew that maybe watching rated R movies were wrong.

And later repent of those things.

Or some may have never knew that cursing was bad, and later repented after coming to faith.

Are you telling me that 100% of our sins we repent immediately when we decide to follow Christ?
Or are there somethings that people learn later that they need to repent of??

Are you going to stay focused and admit we have to confess and repent of our sins to get saved?

 

[God's Truth]

Yes, I heard him say that.

Then I heard him bring clarity and speak about repentance.

Good grief man. The point is that is said we are saved first by faith alone and then AFTER WE ARE SAVED we repent of sins and obey. THAT IS THE FALSE FAITH ALONE DOCTRINE taught by many. So many it is spread like gangrene.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

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You say it comes after faith. I say it goes together!

Is that what you are saying?

If so excellent. We believe the same thing In this moment in time.

 

[God's Truth]

Is that what you are saying?

If so excellent. We believe the same thing I this moment in time.

We don't though. I am sad to say we do not. I wish you did. Not unless you see that there is a faith alone doctrine and that it is different than what Paul is saying when he says not of works and that we have to repent of our sins.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

We don't though. I am sad to say we do not. I wish you did. Not unless you see that there is a faith alone doctrine and that it is different than what Paul is saying when he says not of works and that we have to repent of our sins.

Thanks for the discussion. Happy Sunday.

 

[God's Truth]

Thanks for the discussion. Happy Sunday.

Thanks, same here.

 

[Garee]

So watch just the first 3 minutes of this

then watch from starting point here 3:16 to 6:00

( 3:16 to 6:00)



So should the sinner's prayer be the preferred method of resting in the security of
one's conversion?

Should it not be used at all?

Or should it be used and followed up with discipleship?

How did Jesus and the disciple introduce people to God in the Bible?

I would void the idea of a sinners prayer as oral tradition of men as some speacail kind of prayer . Its what sinner do pray . We are to pray without ceasing whatsoever we eat drink or do keep the line of comuncation open . Leave the armor of God on.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I would void the idea of a sinners prayer as oral tradition of men as some speacail kind of prayer . Its what sinner do pray . We are to pray without ceasing whatsoever we eat drink or do keep the line of comuncation open . Leave the armor of God on.

Thanks for the contribution to the post @Garee .

 

[Godbehonored]

I’m late to the party but before I comment on the video I will exposit what I believe to be the relationship between faith, repentance and justification.

The Gospel of Jesus is first an acknowledgment that all are sinners and need to repent. Followed by that is an acknowledgement that Jesus is the Lamb/Son who died for sinners as atonement so they don’t have to pay the death penalty. Then an acknowledgement that those who believe in Jesus’ sacrifice would receive remission of sins and be baptised in water, then filled with the Spirit.

So there is a sequence to salvation, first one must be convicted as being a sinner and therefore be willing to repent. After or together with repentance comes belief in Jesus’ atonement sacrifice and lastly, justification of the repented sinner is confirmed AFTER repentance and because of his or her faith in Jesus and what his death and resurrection meant. The fruit of that faith is a changed life bearing fruits of righteousness.

Conviction -> Repentance -> Faith -> Justification

No one can have true faith to begin with if he or she is not first convicted of sin and the need to repent. How can anyone truly believe the meaning and magnitude of Jesus’ sacrifice for sinners if there is no conviction of sins? And therefore no one can be justified before repentance occurs because no genuine faith is yet present. There are lots of counterfeit faith in the mainstream churches and a striking evidence of that false faith is an absence of conviction and subsequent repentance brought on by the conviction of sin.

The danger of quoting Scripture that says justification is by faith alone is the fact that it is cherry picking verses that does not account for the entire sequence I presented above that truly leads to justification by faith. Besides, when Paul wrote justification is by faith alone, he was talking about faith in Jesus VS laws of Moses. Apostle Paul’s ONLY purpose of writing that verse was to address the danger of replacing faith in Jesus with the laws implemented by Moses to sacrifice real lambs as atonement. But false teachers across generations twist Paul’s teachings into another purpose to promote their own perverse understanding that negates the need for repentance before faith and faith before justification.

 

[Godbehonored]

So watch just the first 3 minutes of this

then watch from starting point here 3:16 to 6:00

( 3:16 to 6:00)



So should the sinner's prayer be the preferred method of resting in the security of
one's conversion?

Should it not be used at all?

Or should it be used and followed up with discipleship?

How did Jesus and the disciple introduce people to God in the Bible?

Seems like the first video became private so I’ll comment on your questions instead.

Sinner’s prayer is a doctrine of man and something Jesus never taught as a formula for salvation. When Jesus preached repentance, he was talking about changing HEARTS and ACTIONS, not words. I can confess and affirm I am an honest person all day long but if I tell lies then my verbal confession is a joke. Same thing with repentance. Repenting in words means absolutely nothing to God if there is no change in behaviour. People draw near to God with their lips but their hearts could be miles away. How does anyone suppose that saying a sinner’s prayer is going to please God and ensure salvation if they do the same things God detests day after day? It’s a slap in the face of Jesus. God is not mocked.

The entire evangelical formula used by many modern day preachers is a mockery of the Gospel. It emphasises verbal confession rather than true change of heart (followed by change in actions).

Jesus and his disciples used actions of love (healing, driving out demons, helping the poor etc) to show God’s love to people. It was and has always been about doing and sowing good deeds. Plain and simple.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Seems like the first video became private so I’ll comment on your questions instead.

Sinner’s prayer is a doctrine of man and something Jesus never taught as a formula for salvation. When Jesus preached repentance, he was talking about changing HEARTS and ACTIONS, not words. I can confess and affirm I am an honest person all day long but if I tell lies then my verbal confession is a joke. Same thing with repentance. Repenting in words means absolutely nothing to God if there is no change in behaviour. People draw near to God with their lips but their hearts could be miles away. How does anyone suppose that saying a sinner’s prayer is going to please God and ensure salvation if they do the same things God detests day after day? It’s a slap in the face of Jesus. God is not mocked.

The entire evangelical formula used by many modern day preachers is a mockery of the Gospel. It emphasises verbal confession rather than true change of heart (followed by change in actions).

Jesus and his disciples used actions of love (healing, driving out demons, helping the poor etc) to show God’s love to people. It was and has always been about doing and sowing good deeds. Plain and simple.

Thanks for the contribution.