ELON Musk receives Jesus? ( Sinner's prayer yes or no? )

[God's Truth]

What did I say in the beginning?

I hope you think it is important to know God's Truth.
I hope that you will see that doctrine you believe and support is wrong.

We have to obey God and not men.

Faith alone the way the preachers teach it is WRONG.

Faith alone is mentioned one time in the Bible and it is to warn us of what kind of faith NOT TO HAVE.

Justification is by faith without works is about out not having to do the purification works anymore.

We don't have to get circumcised and sacrifice animals anymore, but we still have to repent of our sins.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

But you are NOT saying both are needed when you say faith alone saves and THEN LATER YOU REPENT OF SINS.

I will give you $100 if you can quote, where I said the word "faith alone". Go!!! .

You keep saying that because that is the label you assign to me, or something I am saying it triggering
you to put me in that category.

Show me where I posted the exact words "faith alone" and I will give you $100 cashapp.

If you can't find it, I'll consider this discussion closed, loll.

 

[God's Truth]

Amen Amen.

I realized something.
I realized what is happening here.

I don't know you fully and you don't know me fully.

However, you have a label ("false faith alone Christians) and you hear certain words from me about faith, and you
are putting me in that category, but I don't fit.

So when I speak, you are attributing beliefs shared by those in that category that you are looking at,
and thinking I represent them. Instead of listening to what I'm saying.

So when I speak, you are viewing it through the lens of the label you have assigned me.
This gives you the perception that I can flip flopping.

But I think overall you and I would not tell anyone not to repent
and we would not tell anyone not to have faith in Jesus.

And I think that is a good place to leave it.

No.
No way. That is not a good place to leave it. I am doing no such thing that you say I am.
You are the one who teaches faith alone and if you don't start repenting than it wasn't saving faith!
YOU are the one who agrees with those preachers.

Don't act like I did something wrong. You have got to be kidding.

I would tell someone they HAD TO REPENT AND BELIEVE.

 

[God's Truth]

I will give you $100 if you can quote, where I said the word "faith alone". Go!!! .

You keep saying that because that is the label you assign to me, or something I am saying it triggering
you to put me in that category.

Show me where I posted the exact words "faith alone" and I will give you $100 cashapp.

If you can't find it, I'll consider this discussion closed, loll.

Nope, not going to do that.

You can clear it up real easy right here and right now.

Do you believe we have to repent of our sins and have faith TO GET SAVED and JUSTIFIED?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I will give you $100 if you can quote, where I said the word "faith alone". Go!!! .

You keep saying that because that is the label you assign to me, or something I am saying it triggering
you to put me in that category.

Show me where I posted the exact words "faith alone" and I will give you $100 cashapp.

If you can't find it, I'll consider this discussion closed, loll.

Your last chance, read this post again.

 

[God's Truth]

Your last chance, read this post again.

I don't want your money.

Are you going to make me go through this whole thread to prove you did something?

Why don't you clear it up right now?

Do you believe we have to repent of our sins and have faith to get saved?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I said the speaker spoke of repentance being the fruit of faith, not that it is alone.

I stated that the fruit and the seed though there seems to be an order,
they are together. The fruit is in the seed. It is just not fully developed.
They are together.

I never said faith alone, that is your interpretation of my position, and I'm telling you
that is not what I'm saying. LOLLL.

The most you can say, is that I point to a possible sequence, but even with the sequence
I'm saying the two follow hand in hand.

You press the power button and the computer turns off.
You flip the light switch and the lights go off.

Just because the power button is pressed before the computer
goes off, doesn't mean the two actions are separated or I'm saying you only press the power button.

Nor am I saying that because you flip the light switch then the lights come one, is that
I'm saying the two are separated or one is alone and the other is not needed.
I'm saying even if there is a sequence, they always follow each other, they are together.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I don't want your money.

Are you going to make me go through this whole thread to prove you did something?

Why don't you clear it up right now?

Do you believe we have to repent of our sins and have faith to get saved?

Don't say I'm saying something if I"m not. It is that simple.

If I keep telling you that you believe in something that you never said, you would clearly say, prove it.
Where did I say it.

You can't show it because I've never said the words "faith alone" those are your words
from the box you have put me in, for the label you have assigned me which does not
fit who I am or what I believe.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Do you believe we have to repent of our sins and have faith to get saved?

I thought I've explained it multiple times my dear brother.

Yes I do.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

So back to the original post, lolll,

the sinners prayers.

Go .

Your final thoughts brother. @God's Truth .

 

[God's Truth]

I thought I've explained it multiple times my dear brother.

Yes I do.

So then why did you say that the faith was SAVING IF he repent after he is saved?
Why did you promote that preacher who says we are not to repent to get saved?

 

[God's Truth]

Don't say I'm saying something if I"m not. It is that simple.

You are the one saying I am doing something I am not.

You know you said if they don't repent and obey after they got saved then it wasn't SAVING FAITH.

You are caught with your own words.

If I keep telling you that you believe in something that you never said, you would clearly say, prove it.
Where did I say it.

You can't show it because I've never said the words "faith alone" those are your words
from the box you have put me in, for the label you have assigned me which does not
fit who I am or what I believe.

You don't know that is what you believe for you said it plainly.

 

[God's Truth]

Let's take it slow, because it seems you are reading into something not said.

What is the exact sentence that you are quoting and the time stamp where you

hear him say that you don't have to repent?

I heard him say "Repentance is always the fruit of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ".

That is what I heard at 1:41 time stamp (

)

I did not hear, him say you don't have to repent. I heard him say that repentance is the

fruit of faith in Jesus. Notice the difference?

Start what what sentence you are looking at, and then tell me how you interpret it.

See here you stand up for the preacher who says JUSTIFICATION IS BY FAITH ALONE.

 

[God's Truth]

@God's Truth , when you say that the speaker is saying you don't have to repent it would be like
me saying,

Sarah told her daughters you don't have to be beautiful.

No that is false,

Sarah did not tell her daughters you don't have to be beautiful,
Sarah told her daughters that beauty is the fruit of a good personality.

So if someone says, Sarah is clearly telling her daughters they don't have
to be beautiful and she wants them to be ugly, that would be a wrong interpretation
of what Sarah is saying.

Sarah indeed wants them to be beautiful, but she sees focusing on a good personality as the path.

So to say that this speaker is saying you don't have to repent, seems very off, or maybe you are
hearing something I'm missing. He is not saying you "don't have to repent". He is saying that
repentance is the fruit or faith. See the difference?

REPENTANCE BEING THE FRUIT MEANS AFTER YOU ARE SAVED BY FAITH ALONE.

 

[God's Truth]

I believe that we are:

saved from the penalty of sin,
being saved from the power and sin,
and will be saved from the presence of sin.

So to your question, if someone is saved when they
are justified. Justification is the work of Christ, not our work.

Justification comes only through the work of Jesus, not through
what we do or how hard we work at at. If Jesus justifies you,
yes you are saved.

THE MAN ON THE VIDEO SAID JUSTIFICATION IS BY FAITH ALONE and YOU REPENT AFTER YOU ARE JUSTIFIED/SAVED.

You are standing up for that.

The problem is we can't see into the spiritual realm, we don't know
who is saved or whose profession of faith is genuine or not. But if
one truly believes and this faith is saving faith, yes, they are saved
and justified at the same time.

See you said it again.

You said the PROFESSION OF FAITH if...IF ONE TRULY BELIEVE.

That IS faith alone to get saved.

I see the speaker saying it as the two go together.
Yes, he mentions a sequence, but I don't see it as being separated.

A plant bears fruit because I plant a seed. Yes the seed comes before
the fruit, but the two are inextricably connected. The fruit is already there
in seed form when the seed is planted in the ground.

I see it as going together. Working in tandem.

Jesus will not justify those who don't repent, and
repentance by itself does not justify you.

Then just believing---LIKE THE MAN IN THE VIDEO SAYS, is wrong!

You promoted that man and what he says.

 

[God's Truth]

Let me ask you a question.

You say we have to repent of our sins FIRST.

We have to repent of our sins BEFORE WE ARE SAVED.

So they must trust Him if they are turning to Him, yes?

Isn't that trust the works with repentance what we call faith?

NO! That is typical faith alone teaching.
To repent is to confess and repent of our SINS.
And have faith that Jesus washes those sins away.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

We have to repent of our sins BEFORE WE ARE SAVED.

NO! That is typical faith alone teaching.
To repent is to confess and repent of our SINS.
And have faith that Jesus washes those sins away.

I didn't mean to say isn't that faith the "works",

typo, I meant to say doesn't that faith with with repentance?

 

[God's Truth]

Put on the caption function and see at 1:10 the preacher you promote and defend says faith alone.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

So then why did you say that the faith was SAVING IF he repent after he is saved?
Why did you promote that preacher who says we are not to repent to get saved?

Who repented after they were saved?
Once again, I"m not hearing the preacher say you don't have to repent to get saved.
Repeating myself, I'm hearing him say, repentance is the fruit of faith. Not that you don't need it.

But you can't repent if you have not one to believe in.

Let's make it real simple.

Why don't dogs repent?
Why don't cats repent?

Well they have not one to put their faith in.

If God never sent a prophet or never Jesus, would we repent?
Of course not. We would have no one to put our faith in?

I'm not saying we don't repent. I'm saying when you are repenting
you have to trust in someone to turn to? Yes?
That is where faith comes in. You don't just repent in a vacuum.

You repent when you have someone to turn to. That is where the faith is at work at the same time.
See the picture?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

See here you stand up for the preacher who says JUSTIFICATION IS BY FAITH ALONE.

I still don't see how you see my phrase "I heard him say that repentance is the fruit of faith in Jesus."
as being "faith alone".

I don't see it.