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Figure of speech/colloquialism?

I see you still don't get it. Let's try this a different way:

1. Do you believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week? Yes or no? If no, stop here; this topic doesn't apply to you. If yes, go to question two.

2. Do you think the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when the Messiah's spirit left His body? If no, stop here; this topic doesn't apply to you. If yes, go to question three.

3. Do you try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common Jewish figure of speech/colloquial language? If no, stop here; this topic doesn't apply to you. If yes, go to question four.

4. What examples then are you using to legitimately say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language, i.e., examples where a daytime or a night time was for forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred?


#1 -- by '6th' day of the week -- it depends on what day of the week you consider to be the 1st day. The 4 Gospels tell us that He rose again on the 3rd day. In other words He wasn't simply a religious teacher of that day who died. His rising again on the 3rd day proved that He was indeed the Son of God. In fact -- Gospels say - on the 1st day of the week, After the Sabboth, very early in the morning. And, actually it Does matter what Scripture says, rather than what you or I want To believe.

#2 - His body was placed in the tomb like every other body was placed. Since He was here on earth as 100% human and 100% deity -- His 'job' was to die / not fainting / on the cross and Then going to hell In our place -- which He did -- and be in Paradise / the other part of Abraham's bosom/ to bring back with Him those who'd already died having put their faith in His Future actions /// all of which is in Scripture.

#3 - Why the need For Asking the 3rd question. You're hung up on "using common Jewish figure of speech / colloquial language' -- even underlining the 'common'. Why are you centering on that?

#4 - Why look for examples OF that.

I'm surprised that you're not looking for 'more' examples of a virgin birth having actually occurred to legitimize the Fact Of the mother of Jesus having been a virgin when she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

Scripture tells us that 'as Jonah was in the belly of the 'big fish' for three days and three nights -- so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for that same amount of time.

Either a person has faith in God's Word being accurate or they don't.

And it Can be compared to the birth of a baby. Any part of the day or night that the baby is born is considered as their 1st day of life.

In Genesis -- the evening and the morning were the markings of 'a 'day. Any part Of that would be considered part of 'that day'.

What is your point in asking this question? To de-legitimize Jesus Christ as the Son of God?

There Are those who won't accept the baby Jesus as the promised Messiah. So , If it could be proved that He wasn't dead long enough or didn't actually die -- then He would not be legitimate -- and that His 1st coming is yet to come when He comes back to stand on the Mt. of Olives to have His earthly reign here for the future 1,000 yrs.

So -- I would submit that you're asking that question Might be undermining some important doctrine.
 
Sue D.,
re: "#1 -- by '6th' day of the week -- it depends on what day of the week you consider to be the 1st day."

The 1st day of a 7 day week is the 1st day of the week. The 6th day of the week is the day before the 7th day of the week. The next day after the 7th day of the week is the 1st day of a new week. So I ask again, are you a believer in a 6th day of the week crucifixion? Yes or no? If no, then this topic does not apply to you.


re: "#3 - Why the need For Asking the 3rd question. You're hung up on "using common Jewish figure of speech / colloquial language' -- even underlining the 'common'. Why are you centering on that?"

Because that is the operative issue of this topic.



re: "#4 - Why look for examples OF that."

Simple curiosity. If someone says that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur, I would like to know what examples they are using to make the assertion of commonality.



re: "What is your point in asking this question? To de-legitimize Jesus Christ as the Son of God?"

What???? Absolutely not!!!! What have I written that causes you to ask such a question? And I give my point above.



re: "I would submit that you're asking that question Might be undermining some important doctrine."

Exactly what doctrine do you think I am trying to undermine?

Oh, and you have questions directed to you in post #180.
 
Seems that you're the only one wondering about that. The figure of speech 'thing'.

And I've already explained My point.

The teaching / doctrine that Jesus Christ is really the Son of God. The timing of His crucifiction and resurrection go hand-in-hand.
 
Your bio info says that you're not a believer. So -- are you looking for a reason To be a believer or to Not be a believer?
 
I do see both sides here.
At first I thought this was an attempt to prove Jesus wasn't crucified on Good Friday (as explain in Post #95 )
But it seems that wasn't really the issue here.

But I do agree with Sue, it does come across as if you are trying to undermine the scriptures.
The Bible says the 3rd day, so why question it? Why not take it as written.

The answer: simple curiosity. Hmmm... when you ask the same question over a couple of years, there is a fine line between simple curiosity and obsession.

But if we say the Bible is wrong about the 3rd day resurrection, then we can say the Bible is wrong about anything.

Matt 17:23; and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day." And they were deeply grieved.
Matt 20:19; and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up."
Luke 18:33; and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again."
Luke 24:7; saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."
Luke 24:21; "But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.
Luke 24:46; and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
 
it only makes sense that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday.

Which is how it happened, The Last supper was Tuesday evening (Wednesday evening by Jewish reckoning), and through that night there was the arrest, the phony trial, and the crucifixion in the morning Wednesday, and ending before evening on Thursday, so that the corpses could be Gotten off the crosses and entombed before the Thursday Sabbath began at dusk. The whole Roman Catholic time line is a self-serving fantasy.
 
Sue D.,
re: "And I've already explained My point."

And it has nothing to do with this topic.
 
B-A-C,
re: "But I do agree with Sue, it does come across as if you are trying to undermine the scriptures."

Exactly what have I written which causes you to make such a comment?



re: "The Bible says the 3rd day, so why question it?"

I'm not. What makes you think that I am?



re: "The answer: simple curiosity. Hmmm... when you ask the same question over a couple of years, there is a fine line between simple curiosity and obsession."

What is your point, and how is it germane to the issue of this topic?



re: "But if we say the Bible is wrong about the 3rd day resurrection..."

Where have I done that?
 
1. The Messiah said that three nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. However, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.

6. In order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.


I wonder if there is anyone here that knows of examples?
Jesus did not mince words when HE compared the time HE would be in the grave with the time Jonah spent in the belly of the great fish. Thursday May have been a sabbath, and Friday at dusk was definitely sabbath. It may be that Christ was crucified on sabbath Thursday, which would account for three nights in the grave when Jesus resurrected therefrom on Sunday. Amen.
 
1. The Messiah said that three nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. However, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.

6. In order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.


I wonder if there is anyone here that knows of examples?


That was back in December of 2017 - it's now 2021.

You've been on this subject for 4 yrs. And no one comes up with an example / explanation that is satisfactory to you.
 
That was back in December of 2017 - it's now 2021.

You've been on this subject for 4 yrs. And no one comes up with an example..."


Actually, the Esther account was an example assuming "three days, night or day" is the same thing as "three days and three nights". However, I'm looking for examples (plural) to show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred. So far no one has done that.
 
@ rstrats -- but Why keep 'harping' on that? Well -- Maybe You could look for those examples and share them with Us.
 
Sue D.,
re: "Maybe You could look for those examples and share them with Us."

That's what I'm doing with this topic - looking for examples from someone who thinks that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
 
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