Free will discussion 452,637

[PloughBoy]

Being able to "foresee" every human being's choice that they will make makes it possible for the Lord God to write into the "Lambs Book of life" their names before the world ever began.

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Now they have given God a pencil so He can write something down. Like He cannot remember but He is all knowing! " make it all possible for the Lord to write ! Am I the only one to see this!

Now here is the kicker, someone told me to look at this post number because this person "nailed it"!

You are mad with me. And I do understand why. But. Am going to tell you the Truth!

Study Bible
Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of truth.

If you are to take up this mantle of "Discipleship" studying is the hardest part and God does the rest!

 

[Born Again 2004]

Now they have given God a pencil so He can write something down. Like He cannot remember but He is all knowing! " make it all possible for the Lord to write ! Am I the only one to see this!

Now here is the kicker, someone told me to look at this post number because this person "nailed it"!

You are mad with me. And I do understand why. But. Am going to tell you the Truth!

Study Bible
Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of truth.

If you are to take up this mantle of "Discipleship" studying is the hardest part and God does the rest!

I guess you are the only one that sees this!!!

 

[PloughBoy]

You just babble on , quoting scripture as if you were an authority and you appear to be
, not an enemy , but one who appears to be completely lost.

Yes I am babbling in the name of Jesus, now what , I am taking all the credit from you in your proclamation of how you earn your salvation. And giving Jesus every ounce of credit and not leaving you one Ounce!

 

[PloughBoy]

I guess you are the only one that sees this!!!

Your God might be so weak He has to write something down, not my God, My God is "The Almighty God"! None like Him! And yes I am Braggng about Him!

 

[PloughBoy]

Your God might be so weak He has to write something down, not my God, My God is "The Almighty God"! None like Him! And yes I am Braggng about Him!

 

[PloughBoy]

Ok enough is enough cease fire! These views are centuries old. Let these arguments cease! Chalk it up as Sparring.!

 

[Curtis]

Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.

Psa 139:16 your eyes saw my body even before it was formed. You planned how many days I would live. You wrote down the number of them in your book before I had lived through even one of them.

Exo 32:31 So Moses went back to the LORD. He said, "These people have committed a terrible sin. They have made a god out of gold for themselves.
Exo 32:32 Now please forgive their sin. But if you won't, then erase my name from the scroll you have written."

Psa 56:8 You number and record my wanderings; put my tears into Your bottle--are they not in Your book?

Exo 32:33 But the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.


Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

 

[hopefulson]

How about this ( It is for freedom that Christ has set us free ) and then it is for ( every unfounded word you will have to give an account )?

What does it mean? I would put forward that freedom is found in abiding faith. The rest is destruction.

 

[PloughBoy]

How about this ( It is for freedom that Christ has set us free ) and then it is for ( every unfounded word you will have to give an account )?

What does it mean? I would put forward that freedom is found in abiding faith. The rest is destruction.

??? what are you talking about? are you trying to put a log on a smothering fire? that we are trying to put, to rest? Because i am at lost by "your" printed words. or have you ever heard the worldly words "let sleeping dogs lie" let it rest and say no more.

 

[hopefulson]

??? what are you talking about? are you trying to put a log on a smothering fire? that we are trying to put, to rest? Because i am at lost by "your" printed words. or have you ever heard the worldly words "let sleeping dogs lie" let it rest and say no more.

Those thoughts and words are not actually mine. They are pulled from scripture. Should you need to further explore the concepts you will find them powerfully exhibited in Romans where Paul talks about not doing what he knows is right and finding himself unable to stop from doing what he knows to be wrong. He then explores the answer to his dilemma. It is not meant to be an easy solution. It is a bit like every knee will bow and every tongue confess.

 

[PloughBoy]

Those thoughts and words are not actually mine. They are pulled from scripture. Should you need to further explore the concepts you will find them powerfully exhibited in Romans where Paul talks about not doing what he knows is right and finding himself unable to stop from doing what he knows to be wrong. He then explores the answer to his dilemma. It is not meant to be an easy solution. It is a bit like every knee will bow and every tongue confess.

and how is this related to "freewill"? the Thread title is "free will discussion"

 

[Sue D.]

How about this ( It is for freedom that Christ has set us free ) and then it is for ( every unfounded word you will have to give an account )?

What does it mean? I would put forward that freedom is found in abiding faith. The rest is destruction.

"Free will " -- My understanding is that it pertains to salvation and living our daily lives. Do we really have freedom of choice. We Do have free will to either accept salvation or reject it -- God alone knows who will or will not accept His gift Of salvation. We are not given that information. Born again believers are to share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen. If we have the opportunity to lead that person to Christ , wonderful. Lots of times we Do have the opportunity to share plan of salvation with others.

Born again believers are to ask for God's leading in our lives. He has a plan for us. How obedient we are depends on how much we're willing to listen to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. But upon our salvation the Holy Spirit Does come to indwell us and gives us the desire For God's Word and a desire To follow Him. His will for our lives will not feel burdensome.

Destruction would be Not accepting Christ and ending up in lake of fire and brimstone for eternity.

It's where a person places their faith. In Christ for salvation or somewhere else. When a person places their faith in the shed blood of Christ -- his death, burial and bodily resurrection -- that That / His shed blood is enough -- then that is what is needed for their salvation. No 'good works' on our part are needed.

God alone knows 'who' are His. And He will make sure that all who Are His will be 'saved'. No one will get saved who isn't supposed to and visa versa.

Do we have 'free will' in daily life? yes. We're not puppets. And, yes, there Are times when we end up finding ourselves doing that which we should Not be doing and not doing that which we Should be doing. I'm thinking it's Paul who says -- oh what a wretched soul he feel like at times. He'd rather be with Christ , but he's 'here' until then.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Your God might be so weak He has to write something down, not my God, My God is "The Almighty God"! None like Him! And yes I am Braggng about Him!

You have already established your true colors, no amount of back-tracking by now saying something positive will help. This at last, is my last response to you ever, God bless you!! Btw, you know by now who my God is..I'M a believer.

 

[hopefulson]

and how is this related to "freewill"? the Thread title is "free will discussion"

So tell me is free will something you want? Knowing it is a thing of severe consequence do you actually want it and if so why?

 

[PloughBoy]

So tell me is free will something you want? Knowing it is a thing of severe consequence do you actually want it and if so why?

let me say this : I don t give a heck about a freewill nor conversation regarding it, and concerning the "doctrine of Freewill" even discribe in the 4 century concerning the augument of Aurelius Augustine with the British Monk Pelagius relating to the "Confessions" of Augustine" or the writtings of "Luther' or Jonathan Edwards Freedom of the Will" and the Bondage of Will" and you bring up a 'juvenile" guestion, like you know something! Stick to the thread, and stay to it, as a "discussion" like it is intended to be. For you are way out of your league! treat it in the parameters of the title thread. and you might not get step on!

Be careful when you try to redirect. that is a insult when you play such games. we are in here for the unadulterated truth! and we are "contending for the faith that was once delivered unto the Saints of old"

Shalom, in "Agape" style

 

[Curtis]

There only two choices a man can make. Either choose life or choose death of your own free will. Just in case we don't know which one to choose the Lord gives a hint, "therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: "

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jesus had a free will choice to what he wanted.

Luk 22:41 He walked away, about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed,
Luk 22:42 “Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”

Jesus by his own free will choice chooses His father's will. He chooses "life" so that he and his "seed" (which is us) would live!!!

 

[PloughBoy]

You have already established your true colors, no amount of back-tracking by now saying something positive will help. This at last, is my last response to you ever, God bless you!! Btw, you know by now who my God is..I'M a believer.

Well start acting like it! 'The Lord God Almighty" is your GOD!

 

[PloughBoy]

There only two choices a man can make. Either choose life or choose death of your own free will. Just in case we don't know which one to choose the Lord gives a hint, "therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: "

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jesus had a free will choice to what he wanted.

Luk 22:41 He walked away, about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed,
Luk 22:42 “Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”

Jesus by his own free will choice chooses His father's will. He chooses "life" so that he and his "seed" (which is us) would live!!!

i going to be fair since this is a "discussion": you made a "Positive" explicit statement and not a implicit one. and this is what you said: "Jesus by his own free will choice chooses His father's will. He chooses "life" so that he and his "seed" (which is us) would live!!!" that is "explicit".

Now here is my ground work for argument::
1. is not "Jesus the "SON of GOD"?
2. is not "Jesus the "Word of GOD"?
3. is not "Jesus the Word of GOD that became flesh"
4. is not "The Word of GOD and GOD the Father, ONE and cannot be Seperated for they are ONE. It is impossible for them to be apart in any matter.
5. is not "Jesus the SON of GOD and they are ONE and cannot be Seperated in no way what so ever. They cannot be seperated in mind, spirit, truth, will, desire, Attributes,
6. is not Jesus GOD IN THE FLESH?
7. HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE?
8.IS IT POSSIBLE for Jesus to have one will and God the Father have another will? To me you are saying that Jesus can have a seperate will than what the Father has. So in essence you are saying they are two different Beings, because they can have two different wills.

your statement again: Jesus by his own free will choice chooses His father's will. He chooses "life" so that he and his "seed" (which is us) would live!!!
So in essence you are saying without a doubt, if Jesus did not choose his father's will, he and his seed would DIE!

my quote is: "How can A GOD die"?

I am addressing your "Explicit" words. I will say, you are in error again! and to all the rest who will not back me! "GOD WILL"! and many of times The Church would not Back Apostle, Paul. He said: they would not back me, but left me alone, they desserted me on many occassions. And I am also not afraid to wear the garments of "Athanasius".

I do not know what de nomination you are from! But you are trying your best to take the "Deity" from "Jesus Christ" our LORD, from the lips of the Faithful! You might have the rest tricked and deceived but not me! My God will not Allow it to be! You "Slithering Snake"! I am calling you out! i do not need their help!! I am doing what I have been gifted to do! And every where you move, with the help God I will be there, pointing you out, So welcome to "The Hunger Games"!

 

[B-A-C]

5. is not "Jesus the SON of GOD and they are ONE and cannot be Seperated in no way what so ever. They cannot be seperated in mind, spirit, truth, will, desire, Attributes,
6. is not Jesus GOD IN THE FLESH?
7. HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE?

One God does not mean one being.

Luke 22:42; saying, “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”

One family could have a father, a mother and a child. They are only one family, but 3 separate people.

One government could have executive, a legislative, and judicial branches, but it's still just one government with 3 branches.

One egg could have a yoke, and egg-white, and a shell. But it's still just one egg.

Can one part of God be separated from another part?

Matt 27:46; About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

 

[Christ4Ever]

let me say this : I don t give a heck about a freewill nor conversation regarding it, and concerning the "doctrine of Freewill" even discribe in the 4 century concerning the augument of Aurelius Augustine with the British Monk Pelagius relating to the "Confessions" of Augustine" or the writtings of "Luther' or Jonathan Edwards Freedom of the Will" and the Bondage of Will" and you bring up a 'juvenile" guestion, like you know something! Stick to the thread, and stay to it, as a "discussion" like it is intended to be. For you are way out of your league! treat it in the parameters of the title thread. and you might not get step on!

Be careful when you try to redirect. that is a insult when you play such games. we are in here for the unadulterated truth! and we are "contending for the faith that was once delivered unto the Saints of old"

Shalom, in "Agape" style

Dear Brother,
If by your words you "don't give a heck about a freewill nor conversation regarding it". Then you shouldn't have gotten involved in the conversation, or once started in it, you could have graciously dropped out of it without comment. I say graciously, because at times you have a tendency to include snide comments in your replies to others which are totally unnecessary.

So, take my advise/warning, and leave well enough alone as it pertains to the conversation on this thread.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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