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you should read what I actually said again
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you should read what I actually said again
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Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
Thank-you for sharing this with us Dear Sister!
I heard one of his testimonies years ago.
In thinking of him and remembering back on his Sermon. I can't help but think about what Paul said while locked up in prison "Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!". He personifies this, even though the world would use the word "pity". He is not about that at all.
Thank-you again Sister for sharing the video.
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If he would of took offense and questioned why this was happening he would have missed God!
The joy of the Lord must be on us at all times if we want to see God move in any given situation.
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Actually he did! However, even as a child he took it to the source!
God, has never been one to not answer those who seek answers from Him. The problem has been with man and not God. The answers given were/are/will be on His terms, His time, His way, and not on our own. Man has always been the one to get in the way of what God can do for and with them.
Yet, when this man did finally come to the Lord at the age of 15......you see the joy of the Lord in His face even as he talks of what some would consider a story of disability! The wonder working power of God in His Life! He does not consider his flesh a disability, so why should anyone else? We are so blinded brother by the flesh, that even those in Christ will find pity in this, instead of joy that our God has worked a Good work in this man, our Brother in Christ Jesus!!!
In truth this man's walk with God is one to be admired, emulated for seeing beyond the flesh and into the heart of a people who have yet to find Him, and barely realizing even as they hear the Gospel being preached by this man of God, that they need the Lord Jesus Christ in their lives to be complete. Regardless of the circumstances they may find themselves in. He is there for them!
Thank-you Heavenly Father for this testimony! And for you too Dear Brother!!!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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No actually he didnt!!
Lol we got our thoughts crossed.
You stated..... I can'thelp but think about what Paul said while locked up in prison "Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!"
My reply was talking about Paul.
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Blessings to you as my Brother!
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Sorry about the confusion.
Have a very joyfully blessed weekend
Your "interpretations" are from the devil.
They all pervert what is written in the KJV...ie..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;" (Heb 5:7)
Crying and tears? Because of his reverent submission?
Your "new" understanding denigrates the humanity of the Word made flesh.
If Jesus could not be afraid, He was not like everyone He suffered and died for.
It is written..."For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (He b 4:15)
That doesn't say..."...touched with the feeling of our infirmities, except fear; but was..."
You are just splitting hairs if you think there is any difference between anxiety and fear.Hello At Peace,
I don’t know Brother if you had looked at the Greek wording used in Heb 5:7 for fear and its other/different uses of this word throughout Scripture. In certain ways they are interchangeable, but within the whole of Scripture one can see the difference.
Hebrews 5:7 - Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Strongs G2124 - eulabeia
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Strongs 5399 - phobeō
Reverential fear was directed to God, and not the cause of the blood loss. Your belief that it was fear (General), I would counter with that it was anxiety coming from knowing what was to come. This and not fear of God being the cause of the blood loss. This was the reason I shared with Brother Bill the article.
With that being said, can I assume that when you read the article that you concluded that even though Luke was a physician and the usage of words in the Greek by him, did serve to convey a situation whereby Christ was anxious which caused the sweating of blood, appeared to contradict Scripture and so was poor exegesis on the part of the writer?
I attempt when reading Scripture to also have a look at the men God chose to write Scripture, because I truly believe this was done with a purpose. Each was unique and also knowledgeable in areas that as writers made them different from each other. Life experiences if you will. Paul was a tent maker, but in training a Legal Scholar few could compare with. Luke was a Physician by profession and an Historian in his writings, though currently the World refuses to acknowledge him as such, though willing to use what he has written for such purposes of study!
I truly believe (like using that phrase J) “Scripturally” that Jesus feared, but not a fear of man and what they could do to Him, but rather a fear of God. As I stated before, fear of God the Father is not what I believe caused Him to sweat blood, but rather anxiousness for the events that He shortly was going to experience physically that no other had and I believe for different reasons could go through.
I hope this explains a little my thought processes on the reason for our Lord sweating blood. Not to contradict scripture that you have rightly shown, but rather to keep in context to the whole of it.
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BTW, it doesn't say that He sweated blood.
It says his sweat dropped off Him like blood would....but that is another thread, eh?
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You believe what ever you want to for that is your right, but please don't try to convince me that the KJV is like the Holy Grail.
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Hello Brother,
Then you missed the point of what I have written. It wasn't the difference between anxiety and fear, but rather the difference between what the cause/effect of what our Lord feared and the blood coming from His body. There is a difference, though you might perceive it as splitting hairs.
On your suggestion for creating another thread on the subject of blood dropping off or be it from sweating....it just might come down to more hair splitting.
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I respectfully disagree with you the whole world is not under the control of the evil one, or it would be far worst then it is now, I do believe he would like that and he will get his chance during the great tribulation, until than yes the majority of the world is under some sort of influence by him, but as a born again believer he does not control us.
Curtis what I said was NOTHING IS OUT OF GODS CONTROL AT ANY TIME.
If the devil was in full control with out God holding him back this world would be way worst off, like it will be during the tribulation period.
what that means is yes the devil does evil work but he does not do it with out asking permission from God he is the devil but he is on Gods leash, God allows what ever happens to happen we do not know why. God puts all leaders in charge of all nations we dont know why
explain the over 2000 prophecies that have taken place that the God wrote about in the bible if he is not in charge and over seeing everything.
Luke 22:31-32
“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”
Romans 13:1
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
as far as your question on faith
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
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If the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one (and it does), then who would you think the wicked one is? What do you think would have happened if Jesus did NOT pray for Peter that his faith fail not. Would his faith have failed.
The only things God is in control of are the things we place into his hands to have control over. If God was totally in control of everything then every one would be saved. The Church was given authority, and power over all the works of the devil, but if the Church refuses to exercise that authority, and power then the devil roams free to do what ever he wants.
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the devil does not do what every he wants my freind he only does what God allows him to do
Luke 22:31-32
“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”
God is all sovereign my freind if you do not believe that we can simply disagree with each other in love
Curt we may be saying the same thing differently I am not a great communicator here is a great snippet
God’s Sovereignty and Meaningful Human Choice, by Randy Alcorn - Resources - Eternal Perspective Ministries
I believe one compelling reason to study them is to better understand what we cannot fully understand. And in the case of God’s sovereignty and human choice, while it’s not imperative that I understand everything, it is important that I believe in both. If I don’t believe in God’s sovereignty, I’ll either despair or imagine that I must carve out my own path. If I don’t believe in my freedom to make meaningful choices, I’ll either give up on life or not take responsibility for my decisions.
Luke 22:31-32
“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”
God is all sovereign my freind if you do not believe that we can simply disagree with each other in love
Curt we may be saying the same thing differently I am not a great communicator here is a great snippet
God’s Sovereignty and Meaningful Human Choice, by Randy Alcorn - Resources - Eternal Perspective Ministries
I believe one compelling reason to study them is to better understand what we cannot fully understand. And in the case of God’s sovereignty and human choice, while it’s not imperative that I understand everything, it is important that I believe in both. If I don’t believe in God’s sovereignty, I’ll either despair or imagine that I must carve out my own path. If I don’t believe in my freedom to make meaningful choices, I’ll either give up on life or not take responsibility for my decisions.
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Dave, the devil is NOT a mad dog on the end of a chain, used by God for his purposes. If that was true then why would the Lord God permit the devil to murder babies, and or behead others. God in his "Sovereignty" has decided to allow men to choose whom he will serve, and what ever that man decides he will receive weather it be good or bad. The deception is God is in control of everything which causes men to just let things go the way they are because God is in control. The devil would love the Church think this way which gives him free reign to do his will without any opposition from the ones whom God has been given power and authority over him.
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No Sir that is not true,
He does what people including Christians allow Him to do.
Jesus defeated him and gave us authority over him.
He needs permission or a Legal Right and it's people who give him that including Christians and not God
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When I see versions of the bible that are verifiably anti-God and anti-Christian, it is no great leap to realize the source of the evil.
The fruit of false scripture is the same as it is for false prophets.
If it minimalizes or condones sin, it is against the Spirit of God.
Gotcha.
My reply was to the point made that Jesus never had the emotion of fear. That as the Word made flesh, He was somehow different than we are.
I could not agree.
You may be right, but some sects really make a big deal out of the supposed sweating of blood.
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Then you best grab a hold of yourself Love you brother. You gave me a smile this morning when I needed it!Let's see what happened. You might have had that thought, but it all comes from my response to Brother Bill which relevant part I highlight below.
You then quote me Hebrews 5:7, with no explanation. Which only makes it clear that you disagree with what I said and agreed with Brother Bill quote above.
To me you just carried on the conversation directed to Brother Bill and were taking the position stated that "Fear" was the cause of the "sweating of blood or drops of blood". So, what you're now telling me is that you also, don't completely agree with Brother Bills' words and have no problem with my position as previously stated in my writings?
Understanding so we can be clear. My position was never that our Lord did not have "Fear", only......I won't repeat what I've already written. But you get my point.
Thank-you brother for responding. You can let go now
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