Gospel in the stars? Opinions please-

[Zscripture]

Cetus. The Sea Monster

2. Cetus. The Sea Monster. The largest of all the constellations, a beast with an enormous head, mouth and front paws, possessing the body and tail of a whale. An animal of the waters and a natural enemy and devourer of fishes. In the zodiac of Denderah it is pictured as a monstrous head, trodden under foot by the swine (a natural enemy of the serpent) and named Knem which means subdued. The hawk, another enemy of the serpent, is over this figure, crowned with a morter denoting bruising. The brightest star (in the jaw) is named Menkar meaning bound and chained enemy. The next in brightness (in the tail) is called Diphda or Deneb Kaitos meaning overthrown or thrust down. The star Mira is a variable star, the meaning of the name is the Rebel, from a magnitude of 2 it disappears periodically seven times in six years. Fastened to the neck of this monster is the Band which holds the Fishes (Israel) after passing the front foot or hand of the Lamb. Clearly this constellation is a striking symbol of the Devil or Satan, the great Rebel that Israel could not bind but instead holding Israel bound and oppressed. We find in the sign of Cetus a foreshadowing of how the enthroned Lamb will bind and punish Leviathan.
ISA 27:1 In that day,
the LORD will punish with his sword,
his fierce, great and powerful sword,
Leviathan the gliding serpent,
Leviathan the coiling serpent;
he will slay the monster of the sea.

 

[Zscripture]

Perseus. The Breaker

3.Perseus. The Breaker. Here is the figure of a mighty man, stepping with one foot on the brightest part of the Milky Way, wearing a helmet on his head and wings on his feet. In his right hand he holds aloft a great sword and in his left hand is the head of the enemy he has slain. The man’s Hebrew name is Peretz from which we get the Greek form, Perses or Perseus , meaning the Breaker. The same title used of Christ in Micah 2:13

MIC 2:13 One who breaks open the way will go up before them;
they will break through the gate and go out.
Their king will pass through before them,
the LORD at their head."

In the zodiac of Denderah the man is called Kar Knem, he who fights and subdues. The head which the Breaker carries is called by the Greeks Medusa, which is obviously a perversion since the Hebrew rendering the name means the trodden under foot, another Hebrew name is Rosh Satan meaning the head of the adversary. In Arabic we have the name Al Oneh or Al Ghoul meaning the subdued or the evil spirit. The major star, in the waist, is named Mirfak meaning who helps. Another star, in the right shoulder, is called Al Genib meaning who carries away. A bright star in the left foot is called Athik which means who breaks. The Seed of the woman, begotten of the Father, became the Lamb that was slain, thereby destroying the power of the Serpent. Girded with divine wisdom and splendor He breaks the way of His people as He leads them westward to their appointed place. There – having lost their identity, they sat as Andromeda, helpless in their own strength despised, hated, threatened and exposed to the attacks of the monster lord of this world. Foretold is He that walks amid the golden candlesticks and holds in his hand the seven stars will lift up the title-deed of their inheritance and reveal His lost people Israel, while He destroys all His enemies, putting Leviathan in bonds. The He will raise Andromeda to Cassiopeia’s throne as His bride.

 

[Bobinfaith]

Dear Zscripture,

I have to admit I still do not understand your thread and posts of Astronomy, a science of physical evidence not faith, and Astrology, plain pseudo science - deceptive and false, the virgos, leos, pisces, etc., and how they are in line with God's Word.

I do see your interest and enthusiasm in astronomy and astrology, and yes, I do agree with you what you shared about the three who followed the star in the Gospels, reference Matthew 2:7-12, The Magi who followed the star and stopped at the place over where the child Jesus was, this is backed with scripture. The rest, however, is very inconsistent.

I appreciate your respect to my disagreement and opinion, but this goes beyond opinion. I am speaking Truth. You still haven't explained why you compromise and cross reference Astronomy, Astrology, and the bible which I find in error with God's Word. There is no compromising God's Word with Astronomy and Astrology, which is what you and the influence of your author, E. Raymond Capt, are attempting to incorporate in your thread.

Smart sentence structure. The combination of these three. How is this going to introduce Jesus Christ to the unsaved? How do we introduce God's Word to them in the beginning as bible study teachers? Do we also combine Astronomy and Astrology? I am sure that those of us who are saved have a challenging enough time already trying to be excellent servants of the scriptures. The church must draw the lines between error, confusion, (which I definitely see here) and Truth. We need to build up its people in the Word of God, strictly the Word of God.

I am sure it is all innocent, your intentions are good, and you seem to be a good student of the Word, Zscripture. But I encourage you to keep the three seperate and focus your spiritual energies on God's Word.

Brothers and sisters in Christ, please read and meditate carefully on 1 Timothy 4:7-10, Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives tales; rather train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior in all men, and especially of those who believe.

Your servant in Christ Jesus.

 

[Zscripture]

Bobinfaith
I am speaking truths also.
The Scripture has not been compromised.
This is the Gospel message, some will disbelieve, some will desire to hear another time, and some will believe in this Jesus Christ, Son of God, our Savior.
From your post I gather you have not read this thread, perhaps you seen some Latin names as “virgos, leos, pisces, etc” alongside some Scriptures, but fail to recognize the definition of Astrology, also that I am not trying to advocate horrorscopes or asktrology.
As far as God’s Word and Astronomy are concerned-

GE 1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning--the fourth day.

Interesting quote from 1st Timothy, I agree to avoid any types of Mythology, Horoscopes or Astrology – these direct our attention away from our God( who is a jealous God desiring our attention) unto other things. If you actually read the contents of my posts you will see quite the contrary, a love of and focus on Jesus Christ.

A quote from our Lord–

JN 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

 

[Chad]

This thread is all about astrology and stars. You put plenty of effort into speaking about stars, myths and "sea monster". Please, keep your focus strictly and purposely on JESUS CHRIST @ TALK JESUS FORUMS.

GOD is not concerned about anything mythical or astrological for us to see. The purpose of the Bible is to share the Good News. It is centered around Jesus Christ mainly.

I read your entire posts, the whole thread and I honestly cannot see any purpose here to strengthen faith or share the gospels. You keep saying your not advocating astrology or following stars, etc but you kept going on with mythical figures and more astrological subjects.

Please don't make me close this thread. It is one thing to strictly quote anything relating to stars, from Scripture. It is another thing to mix it with myths and "sea monsters" like Cetus.

I want to acknowledge the book The Glory of the Stars by E. Raymond Capt as my reference along with the Scriptures. Divine revelations are symbolized in the stars from antiquity and people have watched and passed down this ancient knowledge. Reminds me of the three who seen and followed the star to Christ.

"Glory of the Stars" by one man's views, mixed with Scripture? The three magi who followed the "star" to Christ was the Northern Star, a specific star perhaps Christ Himself, a symbolic star to lead them per se.

Please dont' drift off with other's books, opinions and anything from Jesus Christ. Thank you for your understanding.

 

[jiggyfly]

Very nice response Chad, I know this was from the Holy Spirit, thanks for being a vessel.

 

[Zscripture]

"Thank you for your understanding"? Not so, sorry that I must say bye.

 

[Mike]

Thanks Chad . I also agree with you're final response . Mike

 

[Zscripture]

I am viewing the responses to my thread in hopes someone will stand for truth and what is right.

Chad, your post “The three magi who followed the "star" to Christ was the Northern Star, a specific star perhaps Christ Himself, a symbolic star to lead them per se. “ Yea, right – then why oppress other symbolic stars?

Jiggyfly, I too have the Spirit of God and I am offended you speak as if I do not! I assure you the truth of these things will be set forth at judgement.

Mike, I thought we were family! – The words of Christ fulfilled brother shall betray brother.

Soldier of God? Soldier of doom from your posts! Amen to me? Sing it brother! What trap did I set for you, truth? The truths of God to Hollywood? In your entertainment’s not mine!

Does anyone here know the Lord? Anyone familiar with His teachings? Is every one bound in Jewish worship of the Word instead of the Creator? Will the Son of Man find faith upon the Earth? What about my faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God Our Savior, does it count to anyone here?

 

[jiggyfly]

I am viewing the responses to my thread in hopes someone will stand for truth and what is right.

Chad, your post “The three magi who followed the "star" to Christ was the Northern Star, a specific star perhaps Christ Himself, a symbolic star to lead them per se. “ Yea, right – then why oppress other symbolic stars?

Jiggyfly, I too have the Spirit of God and I am offended you speak as if I do not! I assure you the truth of these things will be set forth at judgement.

Mike, I thought we were family! – The words of Christ fulfilled brother shall betray brother.

Soldier of God? Soldier of doom from your posts! Amen to me? Sing it brother! What trap did I set for you, truth? The truths of God to Hollywood? In your entertainment’s not mine!

Does anyone here know the Lord? Anyone familiar with His teachings? Is every one bound in Jewish worship of the Word instead of the Creator? Will the Son of Man find faith upon the Earth? What about my faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God Our Savior, does it count to anyone here?

I am sorry if I offended you that certainly was not my intention. I was just giving a witness to Chad on his post and was not implying that you do not have the Spirit of God. It appears by your last post that you are in fact very offended with me and several others, I don't believe it was their intent either, in other words I don't think that they are in error.
Jesus offended many with the Truth, they were genuinely offended but Jesus was not in error. There maybe some mis-understanding here but I have to stand with Chads decision because it bears witness with the Word and the Spirit.

 

[Zscripture]

Jiggyfly,
You said “It appears by your last post that you are in fact very offended with me and several others, I don't believe it was their intent either, in other words I don't think that they are in error.”
Does the Word and the Spirit say I am in error because I believe in the Son of God and that the ancient constellations bear witness to Him? Jesus offended the “religious” and yes He was not in error!

I am viewing the responses to my thread in hopes someone will stand for truth and what is right.

Chad, your post “The three magi who followed the "star" to Christ was the Northern Star, a specific star perhaps Christ Himself, a symbolic star to lead them per se. “ Yea, right – then why oppress other symbolic stars?

Jiggyfly, I too have the Spirit of God and I am offended you speak as if I do not! I assure you the truth of these things will be set forth at judgement.

Mike, I thought we were family! – The words of Christ fulfilled brother shall betray brother.

Soldier of God? Soldier of doom from your posts! Amen to me? Sing it brother! What trap did I set for you, truth? The truths of God to Hollywood? In your entertainment’s not mine!

Does anyone here know the Lord? Anyone familiar with His teachings? Is every one bound in Jewish worship of the Word instead of the Creator? Will the Son of Man find faith upon the Earth? What about my faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God Our Savior, does it count to anyone here?

Is this all word plays to please one another or does anyone care I believe in the Son of God?

 

[Mike]

Dear [ z ] I also am sorry if I made you feel betrayed . That was not my intention at all . I just felt as though you made you case , and I agree with Chad on changing the subject at this time . I hope you can forgive me , and please stay with us here at talkjesus . You have much to offer , and I can see you are not lazy in you're research of topics . But I agree with Chad that it is in the best intrest of the whole body at talkjesus to real it in and get back to the basics of the word at this time . Again , [ I am very sorry and did not intend for you to feel betrayed by me ! ] Please forgive me , and I hope you continue posting at talkjesus . Mike

 

[Zscripture]

Mike,
I thought from your previous post you were interested in the subject, then you agree with Chad for me not to post any more on this. I hold no grudges for anyone here so be of good cheer.

 

[Zscripture]

I will not continue to post anywhere but in here until I can add the last 12 constellations, but I gather this not be allowed.

Thanks to Bobinfaith who no doubt pressured Chad into this stance since this topic was open for a while until his two post.

It is disturbing the world has so corrupted the zodiac symbols that they have seeming ownership. I will arrange these as the ancient alphabet they were and display them on my own web page when I am able – remember they are a symbolic alphabet similar to hieroglyphics not a means to planetary influences from their placements.

Any way I feel saddened by the turn of these events and already miss this place, I feel forsaken by this community.

 

[mymakersdaughter]

Zscripture, we are still here for you. I am sorry that you are hurt. Remember to keep your heart open. I understand that this topic really interests you and that is great, you have much knowledge. I think what can, and I mean can, happen is that some of the ones younger in their faith, may look other where than to Christ for their needs. It is easy for people to get distracted from the truth, we are sheep zscriptures. We all still care about you and want to hear what you have to say.
God Bless brother.
Please do not miss us as we want you here.

 

[Zscripture]

Mymakersdaughter,
Thank you for your kind welcoming words! I can not understand how these Holy Truth’s are viewed as worldly deceptions and myself spoke of as not focusing on Jesus Christ or not a vessel of His Spirit. The whole focus of my writings is about the Seed of the woman spoke of in Genesis. These actions really hurts me, especially coming from those who are supposed to love.


Something I thought of concerning children who come to the site is to have a section just for them, where they can post with others of a similar age group, named Little Ones or something similar, and moderators could move out to the general section what is not deemed appropriate. I leave this thought with you

 

[Zscripture]

SoldierofGod
I want no part of your type of sunshine. Your arrogance of your righteous works compared to my views on this topic as traps of the devil and myself being a devils tongue illustrates you are a soldier of doom and not love. Look up the word astrology in a dictionary and compare it to my thread then.

 

[Zscripture]

Soldier of God,
God is the author of the stars themself and I am astonished you speak to me the way you have.

Does anyone here care I am being treated in such a manner?

To be called hateful messenger of the devil and black in heart, what things have I said to justify this railings?

 

[Mike]

Soldier of God,
God is the author of the stars themself and I am astonished you speak to me the way you have.

Does anyone here care I am being treated in such a manner?

To be called hateful messenger of the devil and black in heart, what things have I said to justify this railings?

Dear Soldier . You have been very strong for us here at talkjesus . But I think you have let you're zeal get the best of you here . Zscripture , I believe has only tried to share his relationship with God with us , and I am thankfull for that . I truly believe that his heart is loving , and although we all do not understand some things he is saying . I think he is saying them in love , trying not to be harsh . Please appologize to this brother , because this is the right thing to do . You are my brothers in Christ . Lets be at peace as Jesus would want from us . Brother Mike

 

[Zscripture]

Mike,
Thank you for seeing that this is part of MY relationship to God, as the Creator and Predictor of His Plans from ages ago. We all have a personal relationship with our Lord and this is mine, if it is not yours I still accept you when you love our Lord.

Some may see, like myself, this archeological research as a witness to the Creator.

Some, like myself, may be amazed at the magnitude of the universe and see a deeper understanding of our God. Imagine some stars are so large that our sun is like a drop in comparison, imagine the Supreme Mighty Strength of the Creator!

I am not asking anyone to accept me in the zodiacs name but as a part of the body of our Lord, all the members of His body is needed for it function properly even though some parts may seem strange or not needed to others.

I come in the name and love of the Seed of the woman Jesus Christ, who came in the flesh – died for our sins according to the Scriptures – and rose from the dead on the third day – went to prepare a place for us and will return to take us to be there with Him.