How is “The Wrath of GOD” a manifestation of The LOVE of GOD?

[David1954]

"He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." The wrath of God abides on one so the one may learn from their own error. Eventually
coming into an understanding of good and evil and that evil is unfruitful to the doer. Eventually as the wrath continues one is drawn into seeking the source of their misfortune. In doing so they find God their creator who then shows them what it is that he has for them through his SON JESUS CHRIST. Eventually they will see life as they have been given faith to believe. "Every man in his own order"
So IMO the Wrath of God will lead one to LIFE through JESUS Christ whom is the LOVE of GOD to and for us ALL.

You put you're trust in your teachers, because you did not believe God would actually help you.

I call that, denying the power of God.

 

[Samson2020]

Your in desperate need of prayer. So I will avail myself to do just that for you.

 

[Samson2020]

Ok from the dictionary for the last time I hope
When you think of the WORD as in biblical terms it was the greek word LOGOS- defined="LOGOS is the greek word used to describe REASON OR PLAN, when you think of LOGOS think of logic."

I've said it so many times on this site it's sad. But the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us, Simply means the PLAN of God was made flesh and dwelt among us.

If you can bring yourself to stop hating me and just read the section of John 20:1-22 you will see that the PLAN of God was to have his only begotten SON show us his PLAN
which was to bring us all to the status of SONS through the first born SON Jesus. The verses show us that Jesus not yet being glorified needed to ascend to the Father which he did early that day, later in the evening of the same day he was breathing on the disciples and saying receive ye the Holy Ghost. He could NOT give the HOLY Ghost prior to his Glorification, but as GOD HIS FATHER gave him the SPIRIT at JORDAN he obviously was not his FATHER for he did not have that POWER YET. BUT he received it that day in
John 20:1-22 Read it please and then maybe you will understand that Jesus was the PLAN of GOD for the reconciliation of ALL mankind. LOGOS=PLAN, WORD=PLAN

 

[David1954]

Ok from the dictionary for the last time I hope
When you think of the WORD as in biblical terms it was the greek word LOGOS- defined="LOGOS is the greek word used to describe REASON OR PLAN, when you think of LOGOS think of logic."

I've said it so many times on this site it's sad. But the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us, Simply means the PLAN of God was made flesh and dwelt among us.

If you can bring yourself to stop hating me and just read the section of John 20:1-22 you will see that the PLAN of God was to have his only begotten SON show us his PLAN
which was to bring us all to the status of SONS through the first born SON Jesus. The verses show us that Jesus not yet being glorified needed to ascend to the Father which he did early that day, later in the evening of the same day he was breathing on the disciples and saying receive ye the Holy Ghost. He could NOT give the HOLY Ghost prior to his Glorification, but as GOD HIS FATHER gave him the SPIRIT at JORDAN he obviously was not his FATHER for he did not have that POWER YET. BUT he received it that day in
John 20:1-22 Read it please and then maybe you will understand that Jesus was the PLAN of GOD for the reconciliation of ALL mankind. LOGOS=PLAN, WORD=PLAN

1 In the beginning was the Logic, and the Logic was with God, and the Logic was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Logic was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

 

[Samson2020]

It takes many words to explain the WORD of God and Jesus did just that, gave us many words to help us understand the PLAN. And not only did he explain the PLAN he showed us the WAY to attain to the fulfillment of the PLAN.
I am truly amazed that your entire doctrine rests on the lack of understanding the greek word LOGOS. It really keeps you from seeing anything past that. And that is a shame.

 

[David1954]

It takes many words to explain the WORD of God and Jesus did just that, gave us many words to help us understand the PLAN. And not only did he explain the PLAN he showed us the WAY to attain to the fulfillment of the PLAN.
I am truly amazed that your entire doctrine rests on the lack of understanding the greek word LOGOS. It really keeps you from seeing anything past that. And that is a shame.

I am amazed you trusted you teachers, never believing God would help you.

 

[Samson2020]

I prefer the word Plan to logic as logic seems carnal but how else would you reason with a carnal man except with logic. A PLAN has meaning like a blueprint for instance, anyone can pick a word out of the definition and make it laughable but not when you use PLAN. And that is the word I chose to use.

But again the spirit of diversion comes swooping in to put words on the page that I did not use as presented and once again it diverts the reader from actually grasping the truth, as it hates the truth.

 

[Samson2020]

I am amazed you trusted you teachers, never believing God would help you.

Let me ask you has God ever spoken to you? Audibly? Or sent you to do anything to accomplish his purposes?

 

[Samson2020]

You put you're trust in your teachers, because you did not believe God would actually help you.

I call that, denying the power of God.

The hate I feel in your words confounds me especially from someone that calls themselves a Christian.
But as the Lord said "If the world hates you, you know that it hated me before it hated you."

 

[David1954]

The hate I feel in your words confounds me especially from someone that calls themselves a Christian.
But as the Lord said "If the world hates you, you know that it hated me before it hated you."

Hate? I was helping.

 

[David1954]

You trusted your teachers, instead of trusting God. You can change your mind.

 

[Samson2020]

Lets try a WORD game to help you out.

In the beginning was the PLAN and the PLAN was with GOD and the PLAN was GOD.
And the PLAN was made flesh and dwelt among us.
And he preached the PLAN unto them.
The sower soweth the PLAN.
And these are they by the way side, where the PLAN is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the PLAN that was sown in their hearts.
And these are they likewise that are sown on stony ground; who when they have heard the PLAN, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves
and so but endure for a time afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the PLANs sake, immediately they are offended.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the PLAN, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the PLAN, and it becomes unfruitful.
Making the PLAN of GOD of none effect through your tradition.



For since by MAN came death, by MAN also came the resurrection of the dead.
The First Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit. The quickening Spirit was and is JESUS Christ. Only problem is he could not be the quickening Spirit until after his glorification. Which happened as I told you in John 20:1-22 Its extremely plain. He was not able to give life to anybody until this moment in his life. And as such, could not be his own Father.


John 20:17 "For Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER,
AND YOUR FATHER; AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD."

"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, not only because he had broken the sabbath, but SAID ALSO THAT GOD WAS HIS FATHER, making himself equal with God."

Equal with GOD but Not God.

I hope this helps

 

[Samson2020]

You trusted your teachers, instead of trusting God. You can change your mind.

You sir are most assuredly correct but it wasn't teacher(s) it was teacher, the Holy Ghost whom you continue to speak against.

 

[David1954]

Lets try a WORD game to help you out.

In the beginning was the PLAN and the PLAN was with GOD and the PLAN was GOD.
And the PLAN was made flesh and dwelt among us.
And he preached the PLAN unto them.
The sower soweth the PLAN.
And these are they by the way side, where the PLAN is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the PLAN that was sown in their hearts.
And these are they likewise that are sown on stony ground; who when they have heard the PLAN, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves
and so but endure for a time afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the PLANs sake, immediately they are offended.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the PLAN, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the PLAN, and it becomes unfruitful.
Making the PLAN of GOD of none effect through your tradition.



For since by MAN came death, by MAN also came the resurrection of the dead.
The First Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit. The quickening Spirit was and is JESUS Christ. Only problem is he could not be the quickening Spirit until after his glorification. Which happened as I told you in John 20:1-22 Its extremely plain. He was not able to give life to anybody until this moment in his life. And as such, could not be his own Father.


John 20:17 "For Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER,
AND YOUR FATHER; AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD."

"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, not only because he had broken the sabbath, but SAID ALSO THAT GOD WAS HIS FATHER, making himself equal with God."

Equal with GOD but Not God.

I hope this helps

I am not bragging on myself, but has anyone else heard of Jesus being called a "Plan"?

 

[Faith in Christ]

It’s simple. God is a loving God. Why? Because he gave us free will, and within that free will WE corrupted it. We sinned. But despite this, he STILL forgives. God is a just God and does not approve of sin, therefore it comes at a price. If we sin, the wages are death, as the Bible says. Throughout the Old Testament, forgiveness was provided via animal sacrifice and obedience to law. Now, New Testament, provides us with the “ultimate” sacrifice, Jesus, a sacrifice that fulfills grace upon our terrible nature. This being said, he is ABSOLUTELY loving. Christians, with our devout faith and obedience to God, do not receive wrath. Others, who do not follow Jesus, DO receive wrath. So if you think about it, if everybody was a Christian, God wouldn’t have to be wrathful, but since there’s ppl out here who don’t want accountability and want to live in sin and want to ultimately mocc God, there has to be. If Jesus is the cure to death, and the soap for impurities, why do ppl not follow him? Live a clean life? A pure life? Live a life without wrath!? It’s common sense. Christianity isn’t a religion, it’s the truth.

 

[PloughBoy]

Remember, God has given us the sight to see what others cannot, for this is His will, it is for His glory and not ours the world hates us just like they hated Him. They will never desire to be a Christian. A suffering life they will never choose! They have to be “chosen by God”. True enough man has a free will and that will is to love darkness rather than light. They lost the free will to choose God, in the garden , they chose “DEATH”. So they cannot choose God. No man can come to Christ unless the “ FATHER draws him”. “You cannot draw them, I cannot draw them”. “Your life style will not draw them” God will draw them, less any man should boast! You warn them to flee from the wrath to come. Into the gift of eternal life and that gift is “The Son of The Living God” who is giving it out, and if they are “The Elect of God” they will hear you” only thing you have to do is water that seed in them that was planted before the foundations of the World. It will sprout and grow in God’s time table, Shalom

 

[Faith in Christ]

Remember, God has given us the sight to see what others cannot, for this is His will, it is for His glory and not ours the world hates us just like they hated Him. They will never desire to be a Christian. A suffering life they will never choose! They have to be “chosen by God”. True enough man has a free will and that will is to love darkness rather than light. They lost the free will to choose God, in the garden , they chose “DEATH”. So they cannot choose God. No man can come to Christ unless the “ FATHER draws him”. “You cannot draw them, I cannot draw them”. “Your life style will not draw them” God will draw them, less any man should boast! You warn them to flee from the wrath to come. Into the gift of eternal life and that gift is “The Son of The Living God” who is giving it out, and if they are “The Elect of God” they will hear you” only thing you have to do is water that seed in them that was planted before the foundations of the World. It will sprout and grow in God’s time table, ❤ Shalom

This is true brother. Praise the living God.

 

[r1xlx]

This is not your everyday “Sunday school or Bible class” question, what do you say and “Holy Scripture” to backup “sound doctrine” strong “exegesis” that we can be ready to give every man a answer the Hope that lie within us.❤

GOD is wrathful against sinners and pagans such as all killing all but 8 people in The Flood, the slaughter of the innocents, etc.
But unless you can understand that all the dead, no matter if they only lived a day or several centuries, are still in their graves and will have to be judged on Judgment Day you can not understand why GOD so quickly kills so many people so easily.
You do not hear pastors explain this do you?

 

[PloughBoy]

I might have missed the mark, when you said or I thought you meant by being saved without hearing the “Gospel of Jesus Christ”. Wondering if you might be referring to “Romans” judge by the Law within themselves? No arguing, here , just wondering.
I did understand the 1st. Part concerning:

King James Bible
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

 

[r1xlx]

It's not. The wrath of God is for the sinners and unbelievers that remain on Earth after God has come taken us Christians home to Heaven.

No-one goes to heaven.
Th edead will be raised to live on a renewed Earth with Jesus - aka the kingdom of heaven - not heaven itself. Though it would be heavenly to live in gentle peace like Adam and Eve knew?