Yes indeed, but there is a difference between the scriptures and the many errant translations including KJV. At any rate the thread is about make up and it seems some have difficulty seeing past it.
Is it sinful and vain for women to wear makeup?
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Yes indeed, but there is a difference between the scriptures and the many errant translations including KJV. At any rate the thread is about make up and it seems some have difficulty seeing past it.
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Have you ever read the book of Enoch? In it somewhere, it talks about the fallen angels teaching us humans the knowledge of make up, its use and such. And do you consider the Amish to be foolish then? More foolish than other faiths? More foolish than your own faith? This thread indeed is about make up, not about trashing other peoples faith.
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Just my view: This thread is a prime example of majoring on the minors. God looks at the heart, not the make-up. If that one draws close to His heart then they will began to change into who and what He calls them to be. No worries about make-up (or the lack of it) would really be needed.
How about Christians minding their own business?
If something bothers someone, don't do it. That old "shaft in the eye" thingy.
Realize that everyone of us is on our own path. Not one of us is perfected yet.
I have had to listen to "Taliban" Christians who will fling out texts to support their views. Their views, not God's views. Do all the women in your church wear head coverings? Speak in the church?
Texts must be considered in context. Who was speaking to who, and why. What was the back story to this, or that particular text.
Texts that merely mention someone wearing makeup do not denote that act of wearing it was evil.
As far as the "do not be conformed to this world" attitude...do we still wear toga's, or robes like Jesus did? Obviously our apparel is not what is being discussed.
It is humanities failing to be constantly looking for laws to follow, and force others to follow.
Oh, and my Wife, and both daughters wear makeup, they are beautiful Christian women. Anyone who has a problem with it has optical/wood inversion problem.:shade:
If something bothers someone, don't do it. That old "shaft in the eye" thingy.
Realize that everyone of us is on our own path. Not one of us is perfected yet.
I have had to listen to "Taliban" Christians who will fling out texts to support their views. Their views, not God's views. Do all the women in your church wear head coverings? Speak in the church?
Texts must be considered in context. Who was speaking to who, and why. What was the back story to this, or that particular text.
Texts that merely mention someone wearing makeup do not denote that act of wearing it was evil.
As far as the "do not be conformed to this world" attitude...do we still wear toga's, or robes like Jesus did? Obviously our apparel is not what is being discussed.
It is humanities failing to be constantly looking for laws to follow, and force others to follow.
Oh, and my Wife, and both daughters wear makeup, they are beautiful Christian women. Anyone who has a problem with it has optical/wood inversion problem.:shade:
I agree. In fact, Paul even talks about not judging someone on the minor things, and I would say that makeup is one of them:
Romans 14:1-4
Welcome those who are weak in faith, but do not argue with them about their personal opinions. Some people's faith allows them to eat anything, but the person who is weak in the faith eats only vegetables. The person who will eat anything is not to despise the one who doesn't; while the one who eats only vegetables is not to pass judgment on the one who will eat anything; for God has accepted that person. Who are you to judge the servants of someone else? It is their own Master who will decide whether they succeed or fail. And they will succeed, because the Lord is able to make them succeed.
The followers of Christ who came from a Jewish background were still holding on to the old rules about food—what’s clean or unclean, how should it be prepared, don’t eat any meat that’s been sacrificed to an idol. But the Christians who came from a Gentile background didn’t know those rules—and may, in fact, have had other rules of their own that they still held to. So they come together as Christians, but rather than celebrating the all-encompassing love of God found in the grace of Jesus, they’re arguing over food. This guy over here—in an effort to keep from violating the meat laws he grew up with—is eating nothing but vegetables. This man over here got a good deal on meat over at the pagan temple and is eating it. Rather than enjoying their meal together, they’re arguing, with the one guy saying “You ought to eat nothing but vegetables” and the other guy saying, “Here, try some of this meat!” Welcome with open arms fellow believers who don't see things the way you do. And don't jump all over them every time they do or say something you don't agree with—even when it seems that they are strong on opinions but weak in the faith department. Remember, they have their own history to deal with. Treat them gently.
Rather than arguing about points of view, those who don't wear make-up and those that do should just rejoice that you get to fellowship together!! Rejoice that you worship the same God and his only Son. Realize that make-up is not a salvation issue, so don’t try to make it one.
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I agree. But the thread is about a minor. Most of the threads I see is about the minors. Does that mean we should criticize every thread that speaks of minors, and then should we agree in advance what is major and minor and only allow the major topics? Or... should we just allow people to share thier faith and not jump down thier throat when we dont agree with them on the minors?
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.im sure when this post started it ment well as to gaining wisdom ..but it's become mud slinging now.! just want to add this is not about religion but should be about keeping all things in good taste what ever you do.. Since the very beginning the younger generation has seen the elders as a overkill society...but we have learned wisdom taught over time should be the rule ... All things are for our use and pleasure but not all are profitable....I pray that we all have shared our views in love before The Lord And God bless you all....Rev
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That Ostrich has too many feathers already, I would not object to starting up a Gypsy band tho...thats like an Angel Band, only way more colorful
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Yes I agree Rev TS Perkins
Perhaps I should explain a little, as I never wanted the thread to become a mud slinging contest and I apologise if I have slung any mud.
I started this thread/poll because my two oldest daughters have been doing a study on makeup and whether the scriptures indicate if it is right or wrong...
This started when my oldest daughters started to be teased and bullied at school because (through choice) they do not wear makeup. The peer group pressure was huge upon them to conform. So I suggested they started to look at the scriptures and the study started.
More questioning occured when we recently moved to a new area and tried out a few new churches
We attended one and walked in to see a very scantily clad, heavily madeup woman, (in the words of the song ...what she wasnt wearing looked too tight!!). She was dancing and girating, wiggling her hips on the stage.....singing 'praise the Lord' After the song we learned that this woman was going to deliver part of the message. I am not sure where peoples attentions would be focussed.
Another church we tried was full of young and old people, very, very madeup, very glamorous, very scimpy and revealing clothing. It felt more like attending a night club than a place of worship.
So again the question came.....Is this the way the Lord wants Christian women to look, behave, clad themselves. Is this glorifying to the Lord?
Is it vain or sinful for Christian women to be madeup/dressed this way?
Hence I thought this thread may be interesting for them to see what people see the scriptures as saying.
So thank you everyone for your input so far. It would be useful to see responses backed up with scripture.
Praise the Lord
In Jesus we are made beautiful
Clothed in His righteousness
No earthly glamour can compete with that
When He shall appear, we shall be like Him
1 John 3:2
We shall bear the image of the heavenly
1 Corinthians 15:49
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I'm ther with you my only defense is prov31 .vanity is not listed as a Godly woman trate .But athe the end of the day we all have to work out our own salvation before The Lord with fear and trembling..As a father myself i praise you're daughters of choosing not to bend to the peer pressure of the world and setting the pace instead of going with the flow .well done
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Hi Fragrant Grace,
Tell your daughters, The fish you catch can be affected by the bait you use and where you fish! Ask them to think about this word picture.
Your far away friend in America.
Eric
Tell your daughters, The fish you catch can be affected by the bait you use and where you fish! Ask them to think about this word picture.
Your far away friend in America.
Eric
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No mud slinging here my brother , and no offense meant to the OP, just a love for God's people. I have (sadly) seen people persecuted, and gossiped about for less than what others think of their makeup. I am not criticizing anyone, I just think the "love ye one-another" approach is better than the judgment folks get for wearing (or not wearing) make-up. In my day folks had a serious distaste for the long haired hippy that I was- yet Christ loved me and saved me so I was a part of their body (the body of Christ).
When you get down to it- how important is that really anyway?
How many of us came to Christ with baggage we eventually learned to leave behind?
If they were precious enough for Jesus to die for they are good enough for me- God will work out the issues as they learn both the Word of God (as reveled by the Spirit of God) and the joy of walking in His presence.
In the end one must follow their conscience before the Spirit of God, what is sin for one (because they violated their conscience before God) is actually okay for another. It is up to each of us to follow the Holy Spirit's leading.
Much love in Jesus Name,
your brother Larry.
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For the sake of the original poster's desire, I decided to post the text from the book of Enoch. I dont post this to convict, I think some makeup is okay. And once the cat is out of the bag knowledge wise, its important to know that it doesnt make it evil, just that it can then be used for evil or good.
Enoch 8:1-4
1.And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the use of the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all coloring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all thier ways. 3. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal taught astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. 4. And as men perished, they cried, and thier cry went up to heaven.
These names are names of some of the fallen angels, once just watchers of mankind according to the book of Enoch, but they chose to disobey God and stay on earth and they taught mankind knowledge they were not intended to know at that time. But like I said, I dont think the knowledge itself is evil, and even its application doesnt have to be evil, I think its just that we werent ready (and perhaps still arent) or wise enough to use the knowledge for just good.
Enoch 8:1-4
1.And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the use of the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all coloring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all thier ways. 3. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal taught astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. 4. And as men perished, they cried, and thier cry went up to heaven.
These names are names of some of the fallen angels, once just watchers of mankind according to the book of Enoch, but they chose to disobey God and stay on earth and they taught mankind knowledge they were not intended to know at that time. But like I said, I dont think the knowledge itself is evil, and even its application doesnt have to be evil, I think its just that we werent ready (and perhaps still arent) or wise enough to use the knowledge for just good.
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I fully agree!
Well, I happen to know how to read palms because its not exactly a mystery, you can read about it online.
Same with star charts, and numerology.
So I happen to know that my numerology charts match my palm, and its far too accurate, so accurate its scary. and i've read other people's info too and some people are easily freaked out by that kind of thing. I would have figured that information out anyway, for me it was just confirmation, just interesting.
The problem with information about the future or yourself from sources you're not supposed to get it from is the damage that does to you, because you received that knowledge too early.
Not to mention the fact that the information won't be accurate anyway if you're working for God because God's plans are often independent of the life path you are set out in life to start on, and when God comes into your life He totally changes everything.
btw: one of my childhood fantasies was to know everything.
and i've found that God just about requires me to speak up about everything. its a heavy burden. especially when you have to make sure all your words have legal cause and foundation.
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Yes I agree,
I don't think the study of this subject is a bad thing to do but quite a good thing.
What is wrong with it?
It seems tgat some of you are intent on suttley saying how awful the thread starter is for even thinking of posting such a subjet.
When really it could be an excuse to defend worldly standards like like makeup
Where in the Bible is one verse that says women shud wear makeup and chabge there appearance?
Women are taught to be demure meek unassuning not flaunters
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