Is purgatory a myth and where did it come from?

[KingJ]

After years of PRACTICING "Christian" persecution against any and all that didn't "Toe the Catholic line" back when they used to have Political power to destroy. Roman Catholic "evangelization" historically was often: "Do it our way or we'll kill you".

Open a new thread. These one liner accusations achieve nothing.

 

[KingJ]

SO??? Believing that Jesus is who H is accomplishes NOTHING. The devils believe (Jas 2:19). It's a living FAITH in that which Jesus accomplished for you on the CROSS that gets the job done.

I agree and am waiting for you to realize you just disqualified 90% of protestants . But they are not ''satanic''...right....

Faith to call Jesus Lord comes from the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 12:3. It is a faith given by God Matt 16:16-17 to the whomsoever draws near to Him James 4:8 by repenting of their sins Psalm 51:17 and truly hating what is evil Rom 12:9.

At a Catholic meeting the priest will teach you to hate what is evil, repent and put your faith in Jesus.

Many of them Like an unmarried Priesthood / Sisterhood and meatless Fridays are just meaningless, unbiblical, inconvenient, and outright silly.

Unmarried priesthood silly? Paul says it is better to not get married if you wish to serve God.

Meatless Fridays? Nothing wrong with respecting lent and fasting. We see how serious God dealt with Jews who disobeyed the Sabbath.

Outright silly to someone who grew up differently perhaps. But not something to blast others on, that is silly. There are highly intelligent Christians who love Jesus inside the Catholic church. When you come with weak and lazy slurs it just reveals your self righteous heart, pride and terrible ignorance.

You need to meditate on Rom 14:5.

Purgatory is adapted from PAGAN religions of the time (alluded to by Paul in 1 Cor 15:29 - note the word "They"). It's the MOST CRUEL of deceptions.

How is it cruel?

What BIBLICAL EVIDENCE is there that other people's MONEY has any effect on the "Spiritual condition" of the person in Purgatory effecting their release??? That should be your clue that it's just a money making Scheme (Tetzel cashed in BIG for Rome with that lie). But HEY!!! go to "Missionaries of the Holy Family" (or other Catholic places) and for $200 they'll do a series of 30 "Gregorian Masses", that'll spring your dear departed outta Purgatory in 30 days (no money back guarantee). Find THAT stupidity in the Bible!!!

I studied this topic properly around two years ago and must ask you to do the same. The Catholic church is against this.

The business of attempting to combine "Works" with (supposed) FAITH for salvation is deadly serious, and totally unbiblical. Luther got it right. Eph 2:8,9 It's FAITH plus nothing - and even the FAITH has to be gifted.

The Catholic church does not teach works save you. Just as Armeniast's don't. You are just not understanding the full picture. You are cherry picking.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Open a new thread. These one liner accusations achieve nothing.

You made the "One-liner" Claim. I answered it. Are you totally ignorant of Catholic history of violence toward anybody who questioned them?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I agree and am waiting for you to realize you just disqualified 90% of protestants . But they are not ''satanic''...right....

Everybody that SAYS they're a Christian isn't one - doesn't matter about "labels" I AGREE that many protestants aren't saved, and know nothing of being Born Again. Given the spread of liberalism , your 90% figure may not be that far off - and quite a few Protestant denominaions teach satanic theologies as bad as the Roman Catholic System does.

A tremendous percentage of what folks CALL Faith - isn't FAITH at all, since it doesn't meet the criteria in Heb 11:1.

Faith to call Jesus Lord comes from the Holy Spirit

True - Rom 10:17 is the definitive verse on that.

At a Catholic meeting the priest will teach you to hate what is evil, repent and put your faith in Jesus.

Except that ONLY the Holy Spirit can actually convict one of SIN, and of Judgement in a faith-building manner.

Unmarried priesthood silly? Paul says it is better to not get married if you wish to serve God.

And, of course as a Catholic you IGNORED the context of his remark. Read it again and find your error.

Meatless Fridays? Nothing wrong with respecting lent and fasting.

The handle: 1 Tim 4:1-5

How is it cruel?

Because it gives the IMPRESSION that there's "Wiggle room" about being Born Again during physical life, and imposes a phony "Mortal" / "Venial" ranking of Sin. ALL SIN is mortal whether ROme Likes it or not.

I studied this topic properly around two years ago and must ask you to do the same. The Catholic church is against this.

"Sure they are"!!! If you're at all aware, you know that they still sell indulgences, and Gregorian Masses, to spring their Folks out Purgatory - so they don't have top be "purified" as much (chuckle). SO they're not TOO "Against it" at all.

The Catholic church does not teach works save you.

The teach that FAITH + WORKS saves. which is just as satanic. Read Galatians - they were into the same problem, and the Church at Galatia is the ONLY Church that Paul doesn't thank God for - because he's not sure they are even Christians any longer!!! Works are the RESULT of being Born again, but contribute NOTHING toward it. That's what the Book of JAmes is about - a LITMUS TEST to determine if what you CALL FAITH, really is FAITH, or nothing more than "belief".

 

[Garee]

There are many verses in scripture that are used as support for the belief in Purgutary. The most influential comes from the 'Maccabees''. This book is not included in Protestant bibles.

It is not the worst belief either. When you study the topic properly you can understand how and why an intelligent person who loves Jesus could believe this.

I personally don't agree with the belief. But will not hammer anyone who does. Worse constructs of scripture that demean God and His character exist. For example, Calvinism, annihilationism and a works based salvation. It is shockingly hilarious to hear someone in one of those three categories mock the Catholic church and their beliefs.

A belief in purgatory does zero damage to God's character or to what Jesus did on the cross. As such it is not a belief driven by the devil.

By looking at the use of the word heresy used 9 times it makes it easy to see thier error that does not lead to eternal lfie

The false doctrine of purgatory in the end of the matter denies the fulness of God's grace by decieving others to belive that there is life beyond the grave or last breath for all .

In that way the Bible says there must be herisies or sects amongst us or oral traditons .But it is based on whether a person does do dispite to Christ's grace grace .

They teach that only this queen of heaven entity they call Mary alone received the "fulness of grace" .All others receive a unknown remnant and must continue to sufer and wonder with not end in sight. In that way they seek the apporaval of what they call vernerable ones who lord it over the pew sitters rather than rightly dividing all things written in the law and the prophets.(sola scriptura)

According to thier law of men (oral tradition I heard it through the grape vine..) they must call sola scriptura the hersey or private understanding of men. But they could never. Sola scriptura remains the one book or source of faith that we can rightlfully divide

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

They worship the fathers (3500 and rising patron saints) as if they were worshipping God the one Father

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.


2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in "damnable heresies", even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Denying the fullness of grace . In the 10 th century they dug up dead mans bones (Pope Formoso) and pronouced judgemt and then passed the bones around the Catholic circuit to be venerated as if some life could rub off and cause the breath of life..

 

[KingJ]

You made the "One-liner" Claim. I answered it. Are you totally ignorant of Catholic history of violence toward anybody who questioned them?

Ignorant of Catholic history .

You have to be specific, are you talking about the reformation wars? What year, what incident, what war, what persecution?

Many are ignorant on history and rely on hearsay or google headlines. Little to no actual brain cells behind statements.

 

[KingJ]

Everybody that SAYS they're a Christian isn't one - doesn't matter about "labels" I AGREE that many protestants aren't saved, and know nothing of being Born Again. Given the spread of liberalism , your 90% figure may not be that far off - and quite a few Protestant denominaions teach satanic theologies as bad as the Roman Catholic System does.

A tremendous percentage of what folks CALL Faith - isn't FAITH at all, since it doesn't meet the criteria in Heb 11:1.

Now we are getting into discussion .

Full agreement with you on this. The point I am making however is that the Catholic church and teaching gives the Holy Spirit much opportunity to reach people, as does every church that glorifies and lifts up Jesus, whether liberal or not.

And, of course as a Catholic you IGNORED the context of his remark. Read it again and find your error.

It has to do with not being able to abstain from sex. When a person decides to be a Catholic priest, they are fully aware of what the decision means. We can certainly acknowledge the fact that it takes a large amount of dedication to become a Catholic priest. No person starts out with ill motives. Fact.

The handle: 1 Tim 4:1-5

You are not properly discerning here. Eating fish on the Friday of lent is a Rom 14:5 matter. Not a ''doctrine of demons''. .

You can't respect the dedication of someone who fasts and shows respect to God? You dramatise trivial matters.

Because it gives the IMPRESSION that there's "Wiggle room" about being Born Again during physical life, and imposes a phony "Mortal" / "Venial" ranking of Sin. ALL SIN is mortal whether ROme Likes it or not.

There is nothing phony about mortal and venial sin ranking. When God put laws on the Jews, we see that some warranted death by fire, others death by stoning, others excommunication and others a warning. God's feeling on these sins have not changed. A mortal sin shows a depth of intent for a love of sin. A venial sin does not point to a depth of intent, it points to a mistake, not one sold out to sin. Consider a verse like Rom 12:9, consider also a chapter like 1 Cor 5 where Paul ''singles'' out a brother in incest. All in attendance were sinners, yet a particular sinner is isolated, why? Consider Jesus saying ''thoughts of adultery = sin of adultery'' in Matt 5:28 but then saying ''only actual adultery is grounds for divorce'' in Matt 5:32.

Sin is equal to sin and sin has degrees. You cannot exclude either statement. I am in full agreement with Catholic teaching on mortal and venial sins. Paul tells us to judge matters better then the unsaved 1 Cor 6:1-9, charismatic Christians come along and say '''thief who stole candy from the candy store = serial rapist'' .

"Sure they are"!!! If you're at all aware, you know that they still sell indulgences, and Gregorian Masses, to spring their Folks out Purgatory - so they don't have top be "purified" as much (chuckle). SO they're not TOO "Against it" at all.

Quote an incident, Indulgences is a sensitive topic that needs to be properly studied.

You must not be so quick to attack without all the facts. As a Christian you will one-day judge angels 1 Cor 6:3. You can do ''better'' then ''they pay money for forgiveness of sins, they all evil and mock Jesus''.

The teach that FAITH + WORKS saves. which is just as satanic. Read Galatians - they were into the same problem, and the Church at Galatia is the ONLY Church that Paul doesn't thank God for - because he's not sure they are even Christians any longer!!! Works are the RESULT of being Born again, but contribute NOTHING toward it. That's what the Book of JAmes is about - a LITMUS TEST to determine if what you CALL FAITH, really is FAITH, or nothing more than "belief".

I am not going to argue with you on this. It becomes quite a blurry topic among many priests and Catholics. Just as OSAS and Armeniasts can't agree.

On face value you can be forgiven for stating 'works', as there are many. The meetings also have a ritualistic feel.

Order at meetings is scriptural. The Catholic church has been around for eons, rituals are a little forgiveable.

 

[KingJ]

The false doctrine of purgatory in the end of the matter denies the fulness of God's grace by decieving others to belive that there is life beyond the grave or last breath for all.

How does it deny the fulness of grace exactly? Please be more specific.

Please also don't call doctrines that don't conform with your Seven Day Adventist views, false or heretical. Those are serious allegations and your basis for those statements are opinionated. If you could construct a post of valid arguments, we can debate. Until then, you just come off vein and hypocritical.

I have told you that I believe annihiliationism is heresy and listed the reasons, scriptures and full rational explanations. Can you do that with Purgatory?

Your post # 25 currently consists of a few random accusations with no support or effort given. This is a discussion forum, support your opinions.

 

[Garee]

Ignorant of Catholic history .

You have to be specific, are you talking about the reformation wars? What year, what incident, what war, what persecution?

Many are ignorant on history and rely on hearsay or google headlines. Little to no actual brain cells behind statements.

I am talking about the first century reformation it restored the govenment of our unseen God reigning in the hearts of belivers back to the time period of Jugdes . Men and woman prophets declaring the gospel . Men by faith worshiping the unseen King of kings and Lord of lords .

God had given the Atheistic Jews who assembled themslves not called by God over for a period of time to do that which they should not of .Again they desired a King to lord it over them having became jeasulous of all the surounding Pagan nations that walk by sight .

1 Samuel 8: 4-7 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

Fools according to the word of God

The time had come. Confirmed by the prophet Joel .Women and men prophets proclaiming the gospel as it is wriiten as the new order of a kingdom of priest sent them woman and men out two by two with the gospel (God's word) .

From my expernce many look to the 15th century refomation which is a carbon copy of the first centurey reformation . It confirmed we have one teaching good master (sola scriptura) and not a law of the fathers .I herd it through the grape vine as a oral traditon of men

The period of time of the abomination of desolation Kings in Isreal had come to end .

He used that time period as a parable for the present as a signifed understanding it came to a end .

Hebrews 9: 8-10 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

A great tribulation a time like never before or ever again .The piviotal restoring principle (as it written) in any generartion time period or sect .

 

[Garee]

How does it deny the fulness of grace exactly? Please be more specific.

Please also don't call doctrines that don't conform with your Seven Day Adventist views, false or heretical. Those are serious allegations and your basis for those statements are opinionated. If you could construct a post of valid arguments, we can debate. Until then, you just come off vein and hypocritical.

I have told you that I believe annihiliationism is heresy and listed the reasons, scriptures and full rational explanations. Can you do that with Purgatory?

Your post # 25 currently consists of a few random accusations with no support or effort given. This is a discussion forum, support your opinions.

Rational explanations where?

One denies it by saying we receive it in part while we are still living breathing as a unknown remnant and after one takes thier last breath they must continue to what they would call work out their salvation by wondering .That does dispite to the grace of God .We receive the fulness the end of our new born again faith from the beginning

They attribute that to this queen of heaven they call Mary alone, teaching she received the fullness and in their teaching they even suggest this Queen visits purgatory and helps the Protestants in thier suffering. It becomes Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, making the fulness of Christ grace into a unknown remnant for every soul except again that of the queen they call Mary .

They have no need to atribute it to the idea that the corrupted flesh and blood and the temporal spirit given under the letter of the law, that they do not perform what God requires . they must ignore (Ecclesiastes 12:7)


Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

No life after the last breath of air. A peron that has been born again they will rise on the last day . The same time the letter of the law (death) and its sufering (hell) are tossed in the judgemt of fire the second death .The death of death .It will not rise up and condemn through coruption suffering and dying in the new order


I do not suport that doctrine of the Seven Day Adventist. The word rest has no time retraints .

 

[KingJ]

I am talking about the first century reformation it restored the govenment of our unseen God reigning in the hearts of belivers back to the time period of Jugdes . Men and woman prophets declaring the gospel . Men by faith worshiping the unseen King of kings and Lord of lords .

God had given the Atheistic Jews who assembled themslves not called by God over for a period of time to do that which they should not of .Again they desired a King to lord it over them having became jeasulous of all the surounding Pagan nations that walk by sight .

1 Samuel 8: 4-7 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

Fools according to the word of God

The time had come. Confirmed by the prophet Joel .Women and men prophets proclaiming the gospel as it is wriiten as the new order of a kingdom of priest sent them woman and men out two by two with the gospel (God's word) .

From my expernce many look to the 15th century refomation which is a carbon copy of the first centurey reformation . It confirmed we have one teaching good master (sola scriptura) and not a law of the fathers .I herd it through the grape vine as a oral traditon of men

The period of time of the abomination of desolation Kings in Isreal had come to end .

He used that time period as a parable for the present as a signifed understanding it came to a end .

Hebrews 9: 8-10 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

A great tribulation a time like never before or ever again .The piviotal restoring principle (as it written) in any generartion time period or sect .

That post you quoted was not addressed to you .

 

[KingJ]

Rational explanations where?

For annihilationism Post # 49 and # 57 here: The fires of hell

 

[KingJ]

One denies it by saying we receive it in part while we are still living breathing as a unknown remnant and after one takes thier last breath they must continue to what they would call work out their salvation by wondering .That does dispite to the grace of God .We receive the fulness the end of our new born again faith from the beginning

Sorry, not sure what you talking about.

They attribute that to this queen of heaven they call Mary alone, teaching she received the fullness and in their teaching they even suggest this Queen visits purgatory and helps the Protestants in thier suffering. It becomes Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, making the fulness of Christ grace into a unknown remnant for every soul except again that of the queen they call Mary .

Yes, I am sure every person on this planet knows they elevate Mary. Do they elevate Mary beyond Jesus, no. No they don't. Do they pray to saints, yes. Do they elevate saints beyond Jesus, no. No they don't.

They have no need to atribute it to the idea that the corrupted flesh and blood and the temporal spirit given under the letter of the law, that they do not perform what God requires . they must ignore (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

This is a cherry picked verse that you read into what is not there. You have not considered context or English comprehension.

You use that phrase to speak only to the wicked, when it speaks to all spirits and all flesh. Therefore the context cannot be ''righteous return to reign with Him and wicked return to be somehow be ''utterly annihilated''.

If your English teacher heard you interpret this verse as you are, you would get zero marks.

The righteous and the wicked lose their flesh = dust to dust.

The righteous and the wicked spirits return to Him = Judgement day.

Unless you somehow believe the devils wicked spirit returns to God as a pimple on His bum? Is that what you believe?

 

[KingJ]

No life after the last breath of air. A peron that has been born again they will rise on the last day . The same time the letter of the law (death) and its sufering (hell) are tossed in the judgemt of fire the second death .The death of death .It will not rise up and condemn through coruption suffering and dying in the new order

Nice opinion but not supported by scripture.

I do not suport that doctrine of the Seven Day Adventist. The word rest has no time retraints .

Not sure what you mean. They teach annihilationism differently to you?

 

[Garee]

Nice opinion but not supported by scripture.


Not sure what you mean. They teach annihilationism differently to you?

Thats all we have is opinions (heresies) private interpretations or personal commentarries. We can plant and water . He is the one Good Teacher.

Not supported by which scriptures?

I was refering to their tittle "Seventh Day" .They make seven into a law, as a sign to themslves in order to self edyfy. . The word rest is non time sensitive word.The momnent men try to nail it down to a moment(seventh day) it loses it effectiveness as our living hope that will be seen in the fulness in the new heaven and earth.

Today under the Sun if we do hear his voice and mix faith the unseen eternal things of God with the temporal seen then we have entered his rest being yoked with him our burden is made lighter.


Hebrews 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Hebrews 9:24-28 CJB
24 For the Messiah has entered a Holiest Place which is not man-made and merely a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, in order to appear now on our behalf in the very presence of God.


25 Further, he did not enter heaven to offer himself over and over again, like the cohen hagadol who enters the Holiest Place year after year with blood that is not his own; 26 for then he would have had to suffer death many times — from the founding of the universe on. But as it is, he has appeared once at the end of the ages in order to do away with sin through the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as human beings have to die once, but after this comes judgment, 28 so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many,[a] will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to deliver those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Purgatory is a false doctrine....Which is inexcusable. Agreed though...we don't judge those who believe in purgatory

 

[Garee]

Hebrews 9:24-28 CJB
24 For the Messiah has entered a Holiest Place which is not man-made and merely a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, in order to appear now on our behalf in the very presence of God.


25 Further, he did not enter heaven to offer himself over and over again, like the cohen hagadol who enters the Holiest Place year after year with blood that is not his own; 26 for then he would have had to suffer death many times — from the founding of the universe on. But as it is, he has appeared once at the end of the ages in order to do away with sin through the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as human beings have to die once, but after this comes judgment, 28 so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many,[a] will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to deliver those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Purgatory is a false doctrine....Which is inexcusable. Agreed though...we don't judge those who believe in purgatory

Only God is judge who alone can see into the hearts of all of mankind and move them according to His good pleasure. We can evaluate and offer the gospel.

In that way the Bible informs mankind that there must be heresies as differences of opinion (sects) among us. Oral traditions that do not do despite to the fullness of the grace of God they are not to be judge in that way.

They who do despite to the grace of God declare that only a “Queen of heaven” entity received the fullness and that she provides grace to those who lack the fullness. Even saying she visits purgatory and sees Protestants there suffering alongside with no end in sight. She makes the claim of strengthening them again with no end in sight(. The. . . Wonder, wonder, wonder doctrine never coming to the end of faith . . salvation

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Purgatory which falsely extends the breath of life after one takes their last breath causing a person to suffer for a unknown measure of time. It clearly does despite to the fullness of grace by which we were purchased. Christians while still breathing receive as the end of faith the salvation of our soul.

Digging up dead bones like that of Pope Formosa and judging them in order to venerate them is not part of the gospel. But is the rules of those who venerate dead bones.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Only God is judge who alone can see into the hearts of all of mankind and move them according to His good pleasure. We can evaluate and offer the gospel.

In that way the Bible informs mankind that there must be heresies as differences of opinion (sects) among us. Oral traditions that do not do despite to the fullness of the grace of God they are not to be judge in that way.

They who do despite to the grace of God declare that only a “Queen of heaven” entity received the fullness and that she provides grace to those who lack the fullness. Even saying she visits purgatory and sees Protestants there suffering alongside with no end in sight. She makes the claim of strengthening them again with no end in sight(. The. . . Wonder, wonder, wonder doctrine never coming to the end of faith . . salvation

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Purgatory which falsely extends the breath of life after one takes their last breath causing a person to suffer for a unknown measure of time. It clearly does despite to the fullness of grace by which we were purchased. Christians while still breathing receive as the end of faith the salvation of our soul.

Digging up dead bones like that of Pope Formosa and judging them in order to venerate them is not part of the gospel. But is the rules of those who venerate dead bones.

I read a story a bunch of years back on how the Romanist Church dug up some guy, maybe it was the formentioned Formosa guy, charging him and trying him for some heinous crime, then, if I remember right...they condemned him to death? Really?! Did they raise him from the dead so they could execute him? I laughed till tears ran. I was a Romanist at the time too.

 

[KingJ]

Thats all we have is opinions (heresies) private interpretations or personal commentarries. We can plant and water . He is the one Good Teacher.

He teaches from and provides scripture so that we don't use opinions.

Not supported by which scriptures?

You posted your opinion and are asking me to find scriptures for you?

I was refering to their tittle "Seventh Day" .They make seven into a law, as a sign to themslves in order to self edyfy. . The word rest is non time sensitive word.The momnent men try to nail it down to a moment(seventh day) it loses it effectiveness as our living hope that will be seen in the fulness in the new heaven and earth.

The Seventh Day Adventists teach the full annihilationism message. So if you disagree with them, you should see why. If you do, you are a ''lone ranger'' with your belief. Which is fine, perhaps evidence that you partially agree with their view of it. It is doubt in the right direction.

Today under the Sun if we do hear his voice and mix faith the unseen eternal things of God with the temporal seen then we have entered his rest being yoked with him our burden is made lighter.

Hebrews 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Not sure what you are talking about.

 

[KingJ]

Hebrews 9:24-28 CJB
24 For the Messiah has entered a Holiest Place which is not man-made and merely a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, in order to appear now on our behalf in the very presence of God.


25 Further, he did not enter heaven to offer himself over and over again, like the cohen hagadol who enters the Holiest Place year after year with blood that is not his own; 26 for then he would have had to suffer death many times — from the founding of the universe on. But as it is, he has appeared once at the end of the ages in order to do away with sin through the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as human beings have to die once, but after this comes judgment, 28 so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many,[a] will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to deliver those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Purgatory is a false doctrine....Which is inexcusable. Agreed though...we don't judge those who believe in purgatory

The message of Purgatory does not teach Jesus need offer Himself over and over again. That ''once'' has not yet been taken up by those in Purgatory.

Purgatory is seen as 'extra' time for those not completely sold out to wickedness.