Is suicide a sin? Do you go to hell for it?

[B-A-C]

Why would suicide be different from any other life sin? If you kill someone else do you go to heaven?
Paul did, David did, Samson did, Moses did, Gideon did, the list goes on.
If you commit abortion do you go to heaven? Of course.
It's the same for suicide. There is grace.
Some say, well you won't go to heaven because you can't ask for forgiveness after you've done it. If this is true a lot of us are in trouble, have we asked for forgiveness for every single sin that we've ever done? God knows our hearts. Without grace would any of us be saved?
So yes it's a sin (like any other sin) so No you don't necessarily go to hell because of it.

 

[Stickz]

philosopher: Hi Stickz, we actually agree on this topic more than you appear to think. I've always felt that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is just the outright denial and rejection of Jesus as Lord and saviour. A person has only committed this sin if they died without accepting Jesus though. Examine Mark 3:29 for instance.

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.(KJV)

It tells us that by the persons denial, they're ''in danger of'' eternal damnation, not that they have already lost hope.

The reason I listed these scriptures before: 1 John 1:9, John 6:37

Is because it just shows that ALL sins will be forgiven if the person calls out to Jesus. A person who is blaspheming the Holy Spirit has rejected Jesus, therefore they cannot have their sins forgiven because they won't see the point in calling out to him.

If I understand you here, philosopher, you are suggesting that people can reject Christ, refuse accepting Him, all of their lives but do so just before they die and they have not committed the unforgivable sin because they finally did accept Him as Lord and Savior before their demise? It's a sin to do it but only unforgivable if you die before you correct it, is that what you are saying? If someone lived their whole life committing only the sin of adultery and no other but died having not accepted Jesus Christ wouldn't the sin of adultery become one that is unforgivable in and of itself then?

Does not the word blaspheme have to do with speaking against something?

And if you had committed an unforgivable sin, no matter what that sin actually was, wouldn't you be "in danger of" eternal damnation? The forgiveness of our sins is sort of a prerequisite to get into Heaven, is it not? IF someone had a sin that the Lord would not grant forgiveness for that would eliminate them as a candidate for Heaven, wouldn't it?

People who hold to the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved always view blaspheming the Holy Ghost in the way that you are describing if they have thought things out carefully because of the problems it would cause for the sin to be something that someone could commit before death. But it does seem to be a sin that is committed against the Holy Ghost and not against Jesus Christ the Son of Man. Not accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior seems to me to be a sin against Jesus, not the Holy Ghost. And a person can refuse Jesus their whole lives without being verbal at all about it and blasphemy is speaking irreverently about something.


B-A-C, those men that you mention that killed other men did almost every one of those deeds at the Lord's command or before they actually met the Lord. When David had Bathsheba's husband put in position so that he would die God became angry with David, right? And David begged for forgiveness did he not? Did he have to ask for forgiveness? What would have happened to David had he not showed remorse over the death of Uriah? Would he have received grace of God anyway?

I hope that no kids read this post, put their faith into some of the words that are written here and take their own lives believing that they will go to Heaven because some preacher assured them that they were saved once, and nothing that they could possibly ever do could change that. Even suicide.

I know this: If I believed the way that a lot of you seem to believe I would have been out of here a long time ago. I would much rather be in Heaven with Jesus than here on this miserable earth.

 

[philosopher]

I just got one more thing to say on this:

As the scripture teaches, it is the Holy Spirit who leads a person to Jesus Christ. So when the person repeatedly rejects and denies this offer, it is a sin against the Holy Spirit. And blasphemy at it's root means hatred or an insult. It is an insult to not accept God's free gift of salvation.

The scriptures I listed before said that if a person came to Jesus, he would accept them and their sins could be forgiven. Is that not clear enough? It doesn't say if you commit this certain sin than don't bother coming to me.

 

[Stickz]

Believe what you want.

As many of you are hoping to gain rewards for the words you speak in the name of Christ, know that you will also be held responsible for them too.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Clear enough?

 

[Stickz]

philosopher: As the scripture teaches, it is the Holy Spirit who leads a person to Jesus Christ.

Will you show me this scripture?

 

[philosopher]

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:- John 15:26

 

[Stickz]

Would you give me an example of the Holy Spirit testifying of Christ in our world today?

 

[B-A-C]

As the scripture teaches, it is the Holy Spirit who leads a person to Jesus Christ. So when the person repeatedly rejects and denies this offer, it is a sin against the Holy Spirit. And blasphemy at it's root means hatred or an insult. It is an insult to not accept God's free gift of salvation.

Actually the Bible says the Father leads us to Jesus, not the Holy Spirit. We cannot received the Holy Spirit until we are saved.
John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
also see John 18:9 and John 17:9

 

[Stickz]

If what you say is true B-A-C, someone not getting saved cannot possibly be blaspheming the Holy Ghost then correct? So, what would your view be on the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, B-A-C?

 

[B-A-C]

If what you say is true B-A-C, someone not getting saved cannot possibly be blaspheming the Holy Ghost then correct? So, what would your view be on the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, B-A-C?

To me, it's saying a good thing that God/Jesus has done was done by Satan, or saying a bad thing done by an evil spirit was done by God.
Here is the same story in two different Gospels.

Mar 3:22 The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons."
Mar 3:23 And He called them to Himself and began speaking to them in parables, "How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 "If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
Mar 3:26 "If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but he is finished!
Mar 3:27 "But no one can enter the strong man's house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house.
Mar 3:28 "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
Mar 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--
Mar 3:30 because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."
Mat 12:25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
Mat 12:26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 "If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
Mat 12:28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Mat 12:29 "Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
Mat 12:30 "He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
Mat 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

If we don't know which Spirit is doing something, perhaps it is best to keep quiet. I have also heard it said, it is simply denying the Holy Spirit exists or even cursing the Holy Spirit. People take Jesus' name in vain, and people curse God. (Job's wife told Job to in Job 2:9) but maybe we need to be very careful about what we say about the Holy Spirit. I don't know for certain, but why take chance?

 

[WaitingForJesus]

Suicide is a ticket to hell.

 

[s.i.e.]

Suicide is a ticket to hell.

Wow. That's a sad view. I suppose this must be the "unpardonable sin", in your mind? Jesus sacrifice is insufficient to cover this final act?

I hope you don't have the opportunity to comfort anyone whose loved ones have committed such an act. Anyways, it's your honest opinion, and that's what this thread is for....so, thanks!

 

[dimitri]

Why or why not? How does free-choice vs. predestination fit into this? God's sovereignty?



(by the way, and for the record: I'm not asking because I'm contemplating this. It came to mind from the other poll here, asking the question about euthanasia)

No it wont send you to hell and it can only be a sin if there is sufficient culpobility

 

[WaitingForJesus]

Wow. That's a sad view. I suppose this must be the "unpardonable sin", in your mind? Jesus sacrifice is insufficient to cover this final act?

I hope you don't have the opportunity to comfort anyone whose loved ones have committed such an act. Anyways, it's your honest opinion, and that's what this thread is for....so, thanks!

Suicide = Murder

If you don't repent of murder, you will not enter heaven.

And no, I don't believe in Calvinist OSAS lie.

 

[dimitri]

Wait no one said anything about calvanism not that that makes a difference . The idea that suicide damns has to do with the idea that if one dies without asking forgiveness for a sin then they will go to hell ..the problem is that YOU will most likely die with unconfessed sin .. most people do ..sin is not just after all what you do wrong but its also what you neglect to do right ,,it is missing the mark . if one must confess every sin before death then that also means that salvation is partly your work ..youre merit ..and NOT of GRACE ..

 

[Isaac001]

Wait no one said anything about calvanism not that that makes a difference . The idea that suicide damns has to do with the idea that if one dies without asking forgiveness for a sin then they will go to hell ..the problem is that YOU will most likely die with unconfessed sin .. most people do ..sin is not just after all what you do wrong but its also what you neglect to do right ,,it is missing the mark . if one must confess every sin before death then that also means that salvation is partly your work ..youre merit ..and NOT of GRACE ..

Very Good.

 

[Stickz]

dimitri: Wait no one said anything about calvanism not that that makes a difference . The idea that suicide damns has to do with the idea that if one dies without asking forgiveness for a sin then they will go to hell ..the problem is that YOU will most likely die with unconfessed sin .. most people do ..sin is not just after all what you do wrong but its also what you neglect to do right ,,it is missing the mark . if one must confess every sin before death then that also means that salvation is partly your work ..youre merit ..and NOT of GRACE ..

You must also believe that you don't have to repent for ANY sins that you commit after accepting Christ then, correct? If one has to repent for ANYTHING then salvation is partly their work, right? It would be trying to sustain salvation by "works" wouldn't it?

dimitri: No it wont send you to hell and it can only be a sin if there is sufficient culpobility

AND you're going to put a conditional to whether or not killing yourself is even a sin? Really?

 

[Stickz]

s.i.e.: Wow. That's a sad view. I suppose this must be the "unpardonable sin", in your mind? Jesus sacrifice is insufficient to cover this final act?

Jesus' sacrifice doesn't cover the sin of unbelief either, does it? So, it does have it's limits.

s.i.e.: I hope you don't have the opportunity to comfort anyone whose loved ones have committed such an act. Anyways, it's your honest opinion, and that's what this thread is for....so, thanks!

Well, at least he's not encouraging the act. Telling people what they would like to hear is not what scripture teaches. Scripture teaches us to please God and not man.

 

[dimitri]

You must also believe that you don't have to repent for ANY sins that you commit after accepting Christ then, correct? If one has to repent for ANYTHING then salvation is partly their work, right? It would be trying to sustain salvation by "works" wouldn't it?



AND you're going to put a conditional to whether or not killing yourself is even a sin? Really?

RIGHT ON BOTH COUNTS ..

Salvation is not nor cannot be dependant on repentance AT ANY TIME
And yes suicide is not a sin if the individual is impaired through no fault of their own ..
And your point is what ?

 

[dimitri]

Jesus' sacrifice doesn't cover the sin of unbelief either, does it? So, it does have it's limits.



Well, at least he's not encouraging the act. Telling people what they would like to hear is not what scripture teaches. Scripture teaches us to please God and not man.

Stickz I know you will disagree but the bible does not teach that ..Actually there is no sin for which Christ did not die there are no limits to the atonement according to scripture ..Now i wont gt into a discussion about the unpardonable sin and unbelief ill just leave iit there ..