Jesus Was Not Baptized With the Holy Ghost At His Water Baptism for His Ministry

[GodB4Us]

Since Jesus was ministering at the age of twelve even......

Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

Then His water baptism isn't about Jesus being baptized with the Holy Ghost just so He can begin His ministry.

I believe the point of Matthew 3:13-18 was about the fulfillment of the prophesy in Isaiah 48:16-17 in fulfilling all righteousness when God the Father spoke from heaven regarding His Son and the Holy Spirit adding witness to the Father's testimony as the Lord God and His Spirit sent Jesus as God our Redeemer.

Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

So His water baptism was the fulfillment of the prophesy of the Father & the Holy Spirit bearing witness of His Son as God our prophesied Redeemer for why the witness of God is greater then the witness of men's in the earth.

 

[B-A-C]

It seems the Holy Spirit could not come while Jesus was on the Earth.

John 16:7; "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
John 16:8; "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 1:5; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Acts 1:8; but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."

 

[GodB4Us]

It seems the Holy Spirit could not come while Jesus was on the Earth.

John 16:7; "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
John 16:8; "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 1:5; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Acts 1:8; but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."

The Holy Spirit that His disciples had received along with Judas Iscariot in Matthew 10th chapter and the remaining disciples that had seen Him in the upper room in John 20:22 was the temporary indwelling of the Holy Ghost and not their born again of the Spirit moment of their salvation; for if it was. they would never had to receive the Holy Ghost at Pentecost, and they could have gone forth ministering.

And if that was how & when they were saved, in John 20:22, many other believers would doubt their own salvation because they did not get baptized with the Holy Ghost directly by Jesus Christ in His presence on earth, and yet...

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So there is only one drink of the One Spirit by how we were all baptized so that His discipls can share in the same testimonies as everyone else that they ad received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[Samson2020]

Jesus was the first of the new creatures of God. He received the Holy Ghost from the Father as the first to go through the process of man to God.
He could not give of His overcoming Spirit while still alive for He must fall into the ground and die in order to bring forth much fruit in the form of His spiritual seed.
And that could not happen until after He died, for a testament is of no effect without the shedding of blood, no blood no remission of sins.
We who receive of His overcoming Spirit are empowered to become the sons of God. God dealt only with Him first to perfect the Author/captain of our salvation.

Rev 3:14 .......The true and faithful witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

God perfected Him first. Now it is us whom are to be perfected as a next group, (all together). He received the Spirit without measure, we receive only the earnest of our inheritance.

 

[Samson2020]

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

 

[Waggles]

Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan unto John to be baptized of him.
14 But he would fain hinder him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and THOU comest unto me?
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, Suffer me now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffereth him.
16 And Jesus, when baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened, and he saw God’s Spirit descending as if a dove coming upon him;
17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens saying, This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens being rent, and the Spirit as a dove descending upon him:
1:11 and a voice came out of the heavens, Thou art my beloved Son, in thee I am well pleased.

 

[Waggles]

Matthew 12:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying,
18 Lo, my servant whom I have chosen; My beloved toward whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my Spirit upon him, And he shall declare judgment to the nations,

 

[Waggles]

Luke 3:21 Now it came to pass, when the whole people was baptized, that Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my Son the beloved; in thee I am well pleased.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan, and was led in the Spirit in the wilderness

Luke 4:17 And he was handed the scroll of the prophet Isaiah. And he opened the scroll, and found the place where it was written,
18 The Lord’s Spirit is upon me, Because he anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor; Hath sent me to proclaim release to captives, and sight to the blind, To set free the bruised,

 

[Waggles]

Luke 10:21 In that same hour he [Jesus] rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them to babes: yea,
Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight.

 

[B-A-C]

The Holy Spirit that His disciples had received along with Judas Iscariot in Matthew 10th chapter

It wasn't the Holy Spirit at all. The difference at that time is they did miracles and cast out demons by the authority of Jesus.
After Acts 2 it was the Holy Spirit.

Matt 10:1; Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

Mark 6:7 And He *summoned the twelve and began to send them out in pairs, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits;

Luke 10:19; "Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.

 

[GodB4Us]

It wasn't the Holy Spirit at all. The difference at that time is they did miracles and cast out demons by the authority of Jesus.
After Acts 2 it was the Holy Spirit.

Matt 10:1; Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

Mark 6:7 And He *summoned the twelve and began to send them out in pairs, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits;

Luke 10:19; "Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.

I understand your reasoning per those verses but read on in Matthew 10:18-20

Matthew 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

That is why I see that as temporary indwelling of the Holy Ghost then & also in John 20:22 & not the promise sent by the Father for that born again of the Spirit moment of their salvation which happened at Pentecost & not before.

 

[Samson2020]

As the title of the thread is "Jesus was NOT baptized with the Holy Ghost at His water baptism for His ministry."

My response to that would be Isaiah 61:1 " The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me: because the Lord hath anointed Me to PREACH good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

This is the opening up of the Kingdom of God unto men. The Kingdom of God is within us, our spirit, but cannot come to be a son except we receive a seed
from the only overcoming seed ever to have been perfected. John 1:12 "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even
to them that believe on His name."

My previous posts stand as well, but in this verse we see that the preaching of the WORD was to open up the mystery of the kingdom of God, as the preaching
that was done was all about the plan/word of God, that had been kept hidden from the world, to produce sons that would eventually possess all the qualities
of their Father, in parables to the masses. The Bible refers to this plan as the word, in that the sower soweth the word/plan. Mark 7:13 But the plan/word was
made of none effect by their traditions in the stony, weedy ground.
Jesus who was the first to complete His maturation/perfecting was the only one who received the Holy Ghost in order to understand the kingdom and enter the
kingdom. Crash course in the wilderness where the angels ministered to Him as well as satan tempting Him. In this way He experientially went through the same things that all men will go through, to some extent, and this is what made Him a better High Priest and mediator.

As I said earlier He had to be perfected through sufferings in order to make Him the life giving Spirit that He is today. The one spirit of the Lord fused with the
Holy Spirit of God made Him the first born again man, spiritually speaking, of ALL MEN. He then brought that fully matured Spiritual man as an offering for sin to God.
After His resurrection He was given the right to baptize in the same way that His Father baptized Him with the Holy Ghost. For we that were predestinated to become the sons of God, He gave a portion of His perfected Spirit to each that the Father has given Him. Thus the preaching of the word or plan was/is sonship, and Jesus demonstrated that the process works in that He was raised from the dead by the Father as proof!

Now extrapolate that, if you can, to why are the firstfruits unto God and the Lamb are perfected unto the point that Jesus tells us that the day will come that
when we ask Him to pray the Father He will say no because the Father loveth us. Should we expect that this means that Jesus at some point is no longer our
mediator? Is it at this point that we are no longer human but indeed fully sons of the living God and are spoken to directly by the Father? And to what end?

 

[GodB4Us]

Luke 3:21 Now it came to pass, when the whole people was baptized, that Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my Son the beloved; in thee I am well pleased.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan, and was led in the Spirit in the wilderness

Luke 4:17 And he was handed the scroll of the prophet Isaiah. And he opened the scroll, and found the place where it was written,
18 The Lord’s Spirit is upon me, Because he anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor; Hath sent me to proclaim release to captives, and sight to the blind, To set free the bruised,

What was happening here which was before His water baptism?

Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus' spirit given when he was put in the womb of Mary was the spirit of God the Father come as a human.

All human's are given their own spirit at conception.

Jesus' spirit is the Spirit of the Father come as a human's.

When Jesus was baptized, he was baptized with power for his earthly ministry.

Jesus is God, Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

 

[GodB4Us]

For any readers out there wondering ....

If Jesus was the actual same Person as the Father then Who was He praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane? "Oh hello, Me. Would I please consider that I take this cup from Me? Nevertheless let My will be done and not Mine? Oh wait a minute. If I do not want to die, then that is My will. Okay. Not sure why I was talking to Myself about this." ~~~ And yet that was not written.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

 

[God's Truth]

For any readers out there wondering ....

If Jesus was the actual same Person as the Father then Who was He praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane? "Oh hello, Me. Would I please consider that I take this cup from Me? Nevertheless let My will be done and not Mine? Oh wait a minute. If I do not want to die, then that is My will. Okay. Not sure why I was talking to Myself about this." ~~~ And yet that was not written.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

God really came as a human. As a human, Jesus had to live and grow and learn like all humans do. Jesus spoke to God the Father in heaven and prayed to Him.

 

[Samson2020]

Jesus is God, Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

If that were true then the Holy Spirit would not have descended from heaven and remained on Him at His baptism at Jordan.
And since all blasphemy against the Son and the Father will be forgiven but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not, that kinda blows up your doctrine of Jesus being the Holy Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

If that were true then the Holy Spirit would not have descended from heaven and remained on Him at His baptism at Jordan.
And since all blasphemy against the Son and the Father will be forgiven but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not, that kinda blows up your doctrine of Jesus being the Holy Spirit.

The Bible says that the Holy Spirit is God, and the Bible tells us Jesus the Lord is the Holy Spirit.

The next few posts I'll show you this with scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

@Samson2020

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

2 Corinthians 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

All these scripture say Jesus is the Spirit:

Revelation 2:7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

11 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.

17 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.

29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Revelation 3:6 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

13 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

22 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”


Revelation 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

Revelation 22:17.17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.