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Jesus Was Not Baptized With the Holy Ghost At His Water Baptism for His Ministry

@Samson2020

Here is another scripture that shows us Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.
 
Jesus says to his Apostles that they know the Holy Spirit because he lives with them. JESUS WAS THE ONE LIVING WITH THEM. Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

John 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


Jesus tells his disciples that he will not leave them as orphans. Only a father or mother can stop a child from being an orphan. Jesus says that he will come to them. That is what he says when he says he will send them the Holy Spirit. Those things prove Jesus is the Holy Spirit and is the Father.


John 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
 
If you lot are attempting to fathom the spiritual complexity and mystery of the Godhead and the spiritual realm with your tiny human minds then you all will be greatly disappointed (and fail).
How many of you have spoken a universe into existence?? Or created living creatures from nothing?? Or created atoms and matter from nothing?? Or created angels??

John 14:20 In that day YE shall know that I am in my Father, and YE in me, and I in you. [when a person is born from above]
14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he be with you for ever,
Joh 14:17 the Spirit of the truth: whom the world cannot receive; because it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth: YE know him; for he abideth with you, and is in you.
14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, If any love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 
If you lot are attempting to fathom the spiritual complexity and mystery of the Godhead and the spiritual realm with your tiny human minds then you all will be greatly disappointed (and fail).
How many of you have spoken a universe into existence?? Or created living creatures from nothing?? Or created atoms and matter from nothing?? Or created angels??

John 14:20 In that day YE shall know that I am in my Father, and YE in me, and I in you. [when a person is born from above]
14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he be with you for ever,
Joh 14:17 the Spirit of the truth: whom the world cannot receive; because it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth: YE know him; for he abideth with you, and is in you.
14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, If any love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
One Spirit One body One God.
 
Whither shall I go from thy Spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:7-8

God is everywhere and His Spirit was with them, when Jesus walked the earth.

And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased" Luke 3

Peter recognised Jesus as the Messiah and that was not revealed by flesh and blood, but by the Father in heaven. Matthew 16:16-17


It's so difficult to comprehend why Jesus needed to ascend for the Holy Spirit to descend, when He is already there.

I can only concede that this was explaining that Jesus the Word of God came in more fullness, through the Holy Spirit , at Pentecost.

Today Christians pray for the gospel of Jesus the Word of God to reach the lands and for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

When the Holy Spirit is already there but praying for more fullness and that people will make a heart response to Jesus the Word of God, in repentance.

God is always there and Father,Son and the Holy Spirit all created the world. Genesis 1:1-3 and 1 John 1:1-4

God is always there - in the absence of God. Sounds like a contradiction but something that is beyond our understanding.

In the absence of God in one way such as in the tribulation, God is there in another way to potentially help, be with them, help to endure and to deliver them. That can be understood such as whoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
Of course that is Jesus in all sincerity and truth.
 
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@Samson2020

Here is another scripture that shows us Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.


You seem to have missed the BECAME part, the Holy Ghost always has been.
Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

But yet Jesus went back to the Father so that the Holy Spirit would be sent.
 
You seem to have missed the BECAME part, the Holy Ghost always has been.
The word 'became' is about how Jesus came into the world, lived and grew and when he had his earthly ministry he showed people who to be reconciled to God and that is about how to receive the Holy Spirit.
But yet Jesus went back to the Father so that the Holy Spirit would be sent.
That proves Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
 
Because Jesus had to go back to heaven and sit back down on the throne.
So if He sat down in the throne how was He the other comforter as mentioned by Him in John 16:7 .........I will SEND HIM to you." John 15:26 .....the comforter whom I WILL SEND
unto you FROM THE FATHER."

Some folks really need to read more as what they say is truly unlearned mush.
 
So if He sat down in the throne how was He the other comforter as mentioned by Him in John 16:7 .........I will SEND HIM to you." John 15:26 .....the comforter whom I WILL SEND
unto you FROM THE FATHER."

Some folks really need to read more as what they say is truly unlearned mush.
John 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Did you read that scripture? Who but a father and mother determine whether or not someone is an orphan? Jesus said he will not leave us as orphans. Jesus says he will come to us in the form of the Holy Spirit.
 
John 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Did you read that scripture? Who but a father and mother determine whether or not someone is an orphan? Jesus said he will not leave us as orphans. Jesus says he will come to us in the form of the Holy Spirit.
Pretty sure you added that last part "IN THE FORM OF" as thats what you believe
 
Pretty sure you added that last part "IN THE FORM OF" as thats what you believe
You aren't going to read and believe the scriptures I give you?

Jesus says plainly that HE WILL NOT leave them as orphans and that HE WILL COME TO THEM.

That is something only a Father can do---AND, Jesus comes to them---that is when his Spirit is given to them---WHICH IS THE Holy Spirit.
 
There is this to consider, showing one God:

For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6
 
Here is another scripture that shows us Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.
Jesus said.......

Mat 12:32 If anyone speaks evil of me, the Son of Man, he can be forgiven; but if anyone contemptuously speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will never be forgiven, now or ever!” (TPT)

If Jesus was the Holy Spirit there would never be forgiveness given to anyone who speaks against him!

Jesus is not the Holy Spirit!
 
Jesus said.......

Mat 12:32 If anyone speaks evil of me, the Son of Man, he can be forgiven; but if anyone contemptuously speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will never be forgiven, now or ever!” (TPT)

If Jesus was the Holy Spirit there would never be forgiveness given to anyone who speaks against him!

Jesus is not the Holy Spirit!
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, and is also Jesus.

The reason not to speak against the Holy Spirit is because the Holy Spirit shows us the power of God.

If you experienced the Holy Spirit, the power of God, and then deny him, then that is what is bad.

For instance, if one of the disciples who were a Jew and followed Jesus, if he experienced all the signs and miracles of the Holy Spirit, but then went back to being a Jew, there would be no forgiveness.
 
There is this to consider, showing one God:

For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6
Yes! Exactly. The scripture in Isaiah plainly tells us that Jesus is the Holy Spirit the Counselor, God, the Father, and the son.

One God, one body, one Spirit. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
 
Since Jesus was ministering at the age of twelve even - Luke 2:40-52

Then His water baptism isn't about Jesus being baptized with the Holy Ghost just so He can begin His ministry.

I believe the point of Matthew 3:13-18 was about the fulfillment of the prophesy in Isaiah 48:16-17 in fulfilling all righteousness when God the Father spoke from heaven regarding His Son and the Holy Spirit adding witness to the Father's testimony as the Lord God and His Spirit sent Jesus as God our Redeemer.

1 John 5:
6

So His water baptism was the fulfillment of the prophesy of the Father & the Holy Spirit bearing witness of His Son as God our prophesied Redeemer for why the witness of God is greater then the witness of men's in the earth.
'Then cometh Jesus from Galilee
to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad Him, saying,
" have need to be baptized of Thee, and comest Thou to me?"
And Jesus answering said unto him,
"Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness."
Then he suffered Him.
And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:
and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, "
This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."

(Matthew 3:13-17)

Hello @GodB4Us,

With respect, I can't see that Isaiah 48:16-17 has anything to do with the Lord's baptism, recorded in Matthew 3:13-17. The Lord Himself lay claim to the prophecy of Isaiah 61:1, though, didn't He in Luke 4:18:- ' The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me; because the LORD hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; ... '

* The Baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ was the anointing of the Messiah. The words, 'This is My Beloved Son' , was the Divine formula of anointing the Messiah for the office of 'Prophet' (Matthew 3:17); also for that of 'Priest' (Matthew 17:5); and, 'Thou art My Son,' for that of 'King' (Psalm 2:7; Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5; Hebrews 5:5).

* John the Baptist himself tells us why he came baptising with water, in John 1:31-34. It was that the Christ (The Anointed One) should be made manifest to Israel.

'"And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water."

And John bare record, saying,
" I saw the Spirit
descending from heaven like a dove,
and it abode upon Him."
And I knew Him not:
but He that sent me to baptize with water,
the same said unto me,
Upon Whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending,
and remaining on Him,
the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God."
(John 1:31-34)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'Then cometh Jesus from Galilee
to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad Him, saying,
" have need to be baptized of Thee, and comest Thou to me?"
And Jesus answering said unto him,
"Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness."
Then he suffered Him.
And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:
and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, "
This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."

(Matthew 3:13-17)

Hello @GodB4Us,

With respect, I can't see that Isaiah 48:16-17 has anything to do with the Lord's baptism, recorded in Matthew 3:13-17.
Isaiah 48:16-17 prophesied that the Lord God & His Spirit sent God our Redeemer and in Matthew 3:15-17, the Father testified from heaven with the added witness of the holy Ghost of announcing the sending of His Son as God.
The Lord Himself lay claim to the prophecy of Isaiah 61:1, though, didn't He in Luke 4:18:- ' The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me; because the LORD hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; ... '

* The Baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ was the anointing of the Messiah. The words, 'This is My Beloved Son' , was the Divine formula of anointing the Messiah for the office of 'Prophet' (Matthew 3:17); also for that of 'Priest' (Matthew 17:5); and, 'Thou art My Son,' for that of 'King' (Psalm 2:7; Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5; Hebrews 5:5).
I thank you for sharing that scripture and do wonder if the filling of the permanent indwelling Holy Ghost on us at our salvation is the same as this anointing Jesus had received as being upon Him?

What is the anointing?

Quoting from link ~~~ "In the Bible, anointing with oil is performed in religious ceremonies and used for grooming (Ruth 3:3; Matthew 6:17), refreshment (Luke 7:46), medicinal treatments (Luke 10:34), and burial traditions (Mark 16:1).

Ceremonial anointing in the Old Testament was a physical act involving the smearing, rubbing, or pouring of sacred oil on someone’s head (or on an object) as an outward symbol that God had chosen and set apart the person (or object) for a specific holy purpose." ~~~~ end of quote.

Which that specific holy purpose per your quoted reference is... "to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; ... ' and that is totally different from the anointing we had received at our born again of the Spirit moment of our salvation and so I do not see that as being baptized with the Holy Ghost but a testimony from God the Father & the Holy Ghost that He sent His Son.

The reason I defer from it as being the baptism of the holy Ghost as if that was when Jesus began His ministry was because He was about doing His Father's business even before the age of twelve years old.

Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them. 51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

So I do not see Jesus's water baptism as if that was when He was baptized with the Holy Ghost but a fulfillment of the prophesy that the Lord God ( the Father ) and His Spirit sent Him, God our Redeemer, as announcing He is sent for a specific purpose and that is to be our God the Redeemer by serving this specific purpose of per your reference.. "to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; ... '

* John the Baptist himself tells us why he came baptising with water, in John 1:31-34. It was that the Christ (The Anointed One) should be made manifest to Israel.

'"And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water."

And John bare record, saying,
" I saw the Spirit
descending from heaven like a dove,
and it abode upon Him."
And I knew Him not:
but He that sent me to baptize with water,
the same said unto me,
Upon Whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending,
and remaining on Him,
the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God."
(John 1:31-34)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
That is the purpose that "anointing" from God the Father was about in testifying from Heaven with the added witness of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Son of God that will baptize with the Holy Ghost. Scripture does not testify Jesus as being baptized with the Holy Ghost as if infilling Him for ministry when He was going about doing His Father's business before His water baptism, but anointing Him as bearing witness that He is sent for a specific purpose to start preaching the Good News while doing the works ( miracles ) of the Father as an added witness from the Father that this Jesus is His Son as God the Redeemer that is sent.

Thank you for sharing.
 
'Then cometh Jesus from Galilee
to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad Him, saying,
" have need to be baptized of Thee, and comest Thou to me?"
And Jesus answering said unto him,
"Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness."
Then he suffered Him.
And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:
and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, "
This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."

(Matthew 3:13-17)

Hello @GodB4Us,

With respect, I can't see that Isaiah 48:16-17 has anything to do with the Lord's baptism, recorded in Matthew 3:13-17. The Lord Himself lay claim to the prophecy of Isaiah 61:1, though, didn't He in Luke 4:18:- ' The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me; because the LORD hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; ... '

* The Baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ was the anointing of the Messiah. The words, 'This is My Beloved Son' , was the Divine formula of anointing the Messiah for the office of 'Prophet' (Matthew 3:17); also for that of 'Priest' (Matthew 17:5); and, 'Thou art My Son,' for that of 'King' (Psalm 2:7; Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5; Hebrews 5:5).

* John the Baptist himself tells us why he came baptising with water, in John 1:31-34. It was that the Christ (The Anointed One) should be made manifest to Israel.
Another point of truth.

Since John does not baptize with the Holy Ghost, that cannot be the moment when Jesus was baptized with the Holy Ghost. Since the anointing has different application, then the Holy Spirit alighting on Jesus as the Father spoke from Heaven is the Lord God and His Spirit sending Him as God Our Redeemer to teach us the way we ought to go in fulfilling the prophesy in Isaiah 48:16-17 & your reference of Isaiah 61:1
'"And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water."

And John bare record, saying,
" I saw the Spirit
descending from heaven like a dove,
and it abode upon Him."
And I knew Him not:
but He that sent me to baptize with water,
the same said unto me,
Upon Whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending,
and remaining on Him,
the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God."
(John 1:31-34)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Since John the Baptist does not baptize with the Holy Ghost but Jesus does, then this anointing is not related to John the Baptist's water baptism at all. It is an anointing of God announcing Jesus as God our Redeemer into public ministry.

Unless you have some other point of truth or scripture to share, I believe this is a Biblical conclusion with all points of truth involved since John could not baptize with the Holy Ghost for what Jesus's water baptism was about.
 
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