Jesus Was Not Baptized With the Holy Ghost At His Water Baptism for His Ministry

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* The Baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ was the anointing of the Messiah. The words, 'This is My Beloved Son' , was the Divine formula of anointing the Messiah for the office of 'Prophet' (Matthew 3:17); also for that of 'Priest' (Matthew 17:5); and, 'Thou art My Son,' for that of 'King' (Psalm 2:7; Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5; Hebrews 5:5).

Hello @GodB4Us,

I would like to alter the wording of the paragraph (quote above) because it is misleading. The Baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ itself, was NOT the anointing of the Lord Jesus Christ for the office of 'Prophet': but it was the occasion upon which that anointing took place; For the words of God spoken from heaven, 'This is My Beloved Son', is the Divine formula of anointing as the Scriptures quoted above show.

* Anointed for the office of Prophet:-

'And lo a voice from heaven, saying,
This is my beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased.'
(Mat 3:17)

* Anointed for the office of Priest:-

'While He yet spake,
behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them:
and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said,
This is My beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased;
hear ye Him.'
(Mat 17:5)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GodB4Us]

'Then cometh Jesus from Galilee
to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad Him, saying,
" have need to be baptized of Thee, and comest Thou to me?"
And Jesus answering said unto him,
"Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness."
Then he suffered Him.
And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:
and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, "
This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."
(Matthew 3:13-17)

Hello @GodB4Us,

With respect, I can't see that Isaiah 48:16-17 has anything to do with the Lord's baptism, recorded in Matthew 3:13-17. The Lord Himself lay claim to the prophecy of Isaiah 61:1, though, didn't He in Luke 4:18:- ' The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me; because the LORD hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; ... '

* The Baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ was the anointing of the Messiah. The words, 'This is My Beloved Son' , was the Divine formula of anointing the Messiah for the office of 'Prophet' (Matthew 3:17); also for that of 'Priest' (Matthew 17:5); and, 'Thou art My Son,' for that of 'King' (Psalm 2:7; Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5; Hebrews 5:5).

* John the Baptist himself tells us why he came baptising with water, in John 1:31-34. It was that the Christ (The Anointed One) should be made manifest to Israel.

'"And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water."
And John bare record, saying,
" I saw the Spirit
descending from heaven like a dove,
and it abode upon Him."
And I knew Him not:
but He that sent me to baptize with water,
the same said unto me,
Upon Whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending,
and remaining on Him,
the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God."
(John 1:31-34)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Another point of truth to be shared here which I am sure you are obviously aware of, but for @Godbehonored 's sake, He is leading me to share this also;

Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Jesus had no need for John the Baptist's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins because Jesus had no sin that He needed to confess of to be remitted of by John the Baptist's water baptism.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Since John the Baptist did not baptized Jesus with the Holy Ghost....what was that anointing for? To fulfill the prophesy of God's witness from Heaven of the Father's witness added with the Holy Spirit's witness of sending God Our Redemer Whom happens to be His Son TO PROCLAIM that acceptable year to start His public ministry to preach the Good News to man of the way they ought to go while performing miracles.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Isaiah 61:1The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

By adding verse 2 to your reference of Isaiah 61:1, we can see the point of that anointing from God the Father & His Spirit as sending Jesus to proclaim that acceptable year to preach the Good News to man at His water baptism.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And to @Godbehonored I wish to point out that God's witness from Heaven regarding His Son is what the apostle John was referring to for why you should not doubt 1 John 5:7 regarding the 3 Witnesses to be an addition because by taking it out, readers cannot fathom why God's witness from Heaven was and is greater then men's witness in the earth in John 5:9 in the context of 1 John 5:6-9.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. KJV

@Godbehonored Even your translation referenced Jesus's water baptism for why 1 John 5:7 belongs in scripture of God's witness from Heaven being greater than men's witness in the earth.

1 John 5:6 And Jesus Christ was revealed as God’s Son by his baptism in water and by shedding his blood on the cross[a]—not by water only, but by water and blood. And the Spirit, who is truth, confirms it with his testimony. 7 So we have these three witnesses[b]— 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree. 9 Since we believe human testimony, surely we can believe the greater testimony that comes from God. And God has testified about his Son. NLT

So by taking verse 7 out in the NLT, where is God's witness from Heaven involving 3 Witnesses for God's witness to be true of His Son in order to be understood why God's witness is greater then men's?

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. KJV

John 8:17 Your own law says that if two people agree about something, their witness is accepted as fact.[a] NLT

Thanks to God, I see 1 John 5:7 belong in scripture since it is obvious to me that the apostle John was referring to God's witness from Heaven regarding His Son at His water baptism in Matthew 3:15-17 & you should too.

@complete I hope you will pray for @Godbehonored since he does not believe in the One God as 3 Witnesses within in order for God to bear true witness and to judge any one by.

 

[GodB4Us]

Hello @GodB4Us,

I would like to alter the wording of the paragraph (quote above) because it is misleading. The Baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ itself, was NOT the anointing of the Lord Jesus Christ for the office of 'Prophet': but it was the occasion upon which that anointing took place; For the words of God spoken from heaven, 'This is My Beloved Son', is the Divine formula of anointing as the Scriptures quoted above show.

* Anointed for the office of Prophet:-

'And lo a voice from heaven, saying,
This is my beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased.'
(Mat 3:17)

* Anointed for the office of Priest:-

'While He yet spake,
behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them:
and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said,
This is My beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased;
hear ye Him.'
(Mat 17:5)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thank you for sharing. I wish to repeat the 2 references to your new reply which was before I had posted the other post this early morning that had included it in sharing this point of truth.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Isaiah 61:1The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

By adding verse 2 to your reference of Isaiah 61:1, we can see the point of that anointing from God the Father & His Spirit as sending Jesus to proclaim that acceptable year to preach the Good News to man at His water baptism.

 

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'And Jesus answering said unto him,
Suffer it to be so now:
for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.
Then he suffered him.
And Jesus, when He was baptized,
went up straightway out of the water:
and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove,
and lighting upon Him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying,
This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.'
(Mat 3:15)

'And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water.'
And John bare record, saying,
I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove,
and it abode upon Him.'
(Joh 1:31-32)

Hello @GodB4Us,

John the Baptist witnessed the Holy Spirit's descent from Heaven, and He witnessed that , 'it abode upon Him.'
The purpose God had, in sending John the Baptist to baptise in water, was that Christ should be made manifest to Israel: this he fulfilled (John 1:31-34).

The witness:- The voice of God from Heaven, the Holy Spirit descending and resting upon Him, and the living Word Himself.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Godbehonored]

The fact that Jesus needed witnesses to testify to him being the Savior shows that he is not immortal God but a mortal. He is subject to the law of Moses given to men. God is not subject to the law of Moses.

God cannot be tempted, but Jesus is tempted. So how can Jesus be God?

James 1:13 KJV for God cannot be tempted with evil

Matthew 4:1 KJV Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Godbe4Us teaches the philosophy of men as Gospel truth but he can’t reconcile even the single fact that God cannot be tempted and thus Jesus cannot be God.

 

[GodB4Us]

'And Jesus answering said unto him,
Suffer it to be so now:
for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.
Then he suffered him.
And Jesus, when He was baptized,
went up straightway out of the water:
and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove,
and lighting upon Him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying,
This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.'
(Mat 3:15)

'And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water.'
And John bare record, saying,
I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove,
and it abode upon Him.'
(Joh 1:31-32)

Hello @GodB4Us,

John the Baptist witnessed the Holy Spirit's descent from Heaven, and He witnessed that , 'it abode upon Him.'
The purpose God had, in sending John the Baptist to baptise in water, was that Christ should be made manifest to Israel: this he fulfilled (John 1:31-34).

The witness:- The voice of God from Heaven, the Holy Spirit descending and resting upon Him, and the living Word Himself.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thank you for sharing that brother Chris.

I do wonder though if aboding "upon" Him and "in" Him is the same thing even though as the Son of God, He is One with the Father & the Holy Spirit already for why I doubt that aboding upon Him was for that testimony as if in that moment, He got the Holy Ghost. I still see this aboding upon Him as a witness of the Holy Ghost added with the Father of proclaiming the acceptable year for Jesus to begin His ministry as God our Redeemer.

John 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

It certainly explains to me why after God had spoken to him about Jesus, John said this to Jesus even though John did not know Jesus personally himself even though they were cousins..

Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

But I thank you for sharing that because it adds to the testimony of the apostle John's witness of the 3 Witnesses in Heaven in 1 John 5:7 in the KJV as having been mentioned in John 1:31-34 also and not just referring to the event in Matthew 3:15-17.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Hopefully, the tagging system will work in drawing @Godbehonored to read this as well.

 

[GodB4Us]

The fact that Jesus needed witnesses to testify to him being the Savior shows that he is not immortal God but a mortal. He is subject to the law of Moses given to men. God is not subject to the law of Moses.

Since scripture testifies that God is the Saviour & yet also Jesus is the Saviour, then Jesus is God the Saviour Whom will be appearing soon as the Bridegroom..

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

2 Peter 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

God cannot be tempted, but Jesus is tempted. So how can Jesus be God?

James 1:13 KJV for God cannot be tempted with evil

Matthew 4:1 KJV Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Godbe4Us teaches the philosophy of men as Gospel truth but he can’t reconcile even the single fact that God cannot be tempted and thus Jesus cannot be God.

But Jesus did not sin for why we can say He was not tempted and why He is God.

 

[God's Truth]

The fact that Jesus needed witnesses to testify to him being the Savior shows that he is not immortal God but a mortal. He is subject to the law of Moses given to men. God is not subject to the law of Moses.

God cannot be tempted, but Jesus is tempted. So how can Jesus be God?

James 1:13 KJV for God cannot be tempted with evil

Matthew 4:1 KJV Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Godbe4Us teaches the philosophy of men as Gospel truth but he can’t reconcile even the single fact that God cannot be tempted and thus Jesus cannot be God.

Jesus is God the Father come as a man.

Jesus was baptized with power from the Father in heaven and then sent in the desert to experience temptation, because he of course wasn't normally tempted. Jesus experienced temptation in the desert to see what temptation is like for humans. He still did not sin. He knows though what it is like for us and is our mediator and helper.

 

[God's Truth]

The fact that Jesus needed witnesses to testify to him being the Savior shows that he is not immortal God but a mortal. He is subject to the law of Moses given to men. God is not subject to the law of Moses.

God cannot be tempted, but Jesus is tempted. So how can Jesus be God?

James 1:13 KJV for God cannot be tempted with evil

Matthew 4:1 KJV Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Godbe4Us teaches the philosophy of men as Gospel truth but he can’t reconcile even the single fact that God cannot be tempted and thus Jesus cannot be God.

The law of Moses was Spiritual.
It is then put in our heart when we are saved.
The Spirit of God is put in our heart when we are saved.

Romans 7:14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

 

[God's Truth]

Since scripture testifies that God is the Saviour & yet also Jesus is the Saviour, then Jesus is God the Saviour Whom will be appearing soon as the Bridegroom..

The scriptures that say God is the Savior---they are about God THE FATHER.
Since the scriptures say Jesus is the Savior, then Jesus is God THE FATHER Whom will be appearing soon as the Bridgroom.

Who is our Husband?

Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband-- the LORD Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.

Did you read and see that?

God the Father is our Maker, our husband, He is the LORD Almighty, the Holy One of Israel, our Redeemer. He is God.

I can give you scriptures for everything I just said.

 

[GodB4Us]

The scriptures that say God is the Savior---they are about God THE FATHER.
Since the scriptures say Jesus is the Savior, then Jesus is God THE FATHER Whom will be appearing soon as the Bridgroom.

Who is our Husband?

Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband-- the LORD Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.

Did you read and see that?

God the Father is our Maker, our husband, He is the LORD Almighty, the Holy One of Israel, our Redeemer. He is God.

I can give you scriptures for everything I just said.

@Godbehonored

But you cannot answer the ones about how we will see the Father one day whereby we will not need Jesus as our only Mediator to ask the Father for us therefore God the Father is not just a Spirit.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Confirmation in scripture that there are 2 celestial bodies in that Godhead for why the Word of God made a request to make man in our image and after our likeness and so when the Father permitted it, They along with the compliance of the Holy Spirit, created man after His image and after His likeness as the One God as it takes 2 or 3 Witnesses to establish a testimony whereas in this case, to establish a testimony as in a word in creation.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Jesus said it that it has to be out of different mouths thus different Persons for every word to be established in creation account as in any other testimony for that testimony to be true.

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Paul said it that it has to be out of different mouths thus different persons for every word to be established in what he was writing to the Corinthians about.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

And that is what had happened in creation as everything was made by the Word of God ( Jesus before His incarnation per John 1:1-14 ) as every word was established in creation by the 3 Witnesses within the One God.

 

[GodB4Us]

The scriptures that say God is the Savior---they are about God THE FATHER.
Since the scriptures say Jesus is the Savior, then Jesus is God THE FATHER Whom will be appearing soon as the Bridgroom.

Who is our Husband?

Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband-- the LORD Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.

Did you read and see that?

God the Father is our Maker, our husband, He is the LORD Almighty, the Holy One of Israel, our Redeemer. He is God.

I can give you scriptures for everything I just said.

So can I for why I say you are applying scriptures wrong.

John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

Jesus is specified as the Bridegroom thus the husband and the Lord God Almighty.

Jesus said that no man had seen the Father at any time.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

So did Jesus lied about the God men had seen in the O.T. if you believe the Father is the One that has been appearing to men in the O.T.?

Or did not Jesus say that Moses was writing about Him, the Word of God as seen by men in the O.T.?

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.... 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

And what words should we believe that it was the Son men had seen in the O.T. and not the Father besides John 5:37? Jesus specified that Abraham had seen him and made no reference to Abraham as seeing the Father.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Now if it was solely the Father men had seen in the O.T., then did Jesus lied in John 5:37 & in John 5:39-40 & John 5:46-47 & John 8:56-59?

No, because that was not the Father they had seen in the O.T. but the Son of God before His incarnation.

 

[God's Truth]

So can I for why I say you are applying scriptures wrong.

No, I am not. And it is sad to say that you don't have understanding about most all the scriptures.

John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

Jesus is specified as the Bridegroom thus the husband and the Lord God Almighty.

How do you get that you can nullify the scriptures that also say the Father is the husband?
They are the same One.

Jesus said that no man had seen the Father at any time.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus is God the Father made visible and come in the flesh.
Jesus is the only one who has seen the Father in the Spirit and in unapproachable light.
Jesus is the Word of God, and was with God from the beginning, AND IS GOD.
There is only One God, and He is the Father.
Since Jesus is God, then he is also the Father, because there is only one God and He is the Father.

JESUS IS GOD: John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

JESUS IS GOD MADE VISIBLE WITH A PHYSICAL BODY: John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

John 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

God is a consuming fire.

Hebrews 12:29 for our "God is a consuming fire."

That fire in Jesus' eyes is the Spirit of God.

Revelation 1:14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire.


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND HE IS THE FATHER:

Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Malachi 2:10 Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why then do we break faith with one another so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

So did Jesus lied about the God men had seen in the O.T. if you believe the Father is the One that has been appearing to men in the O.T.?

Or did not Jesus say that Moses was writing about Him, the Word of God as seen by men in the O.T.?

Stop asking if Jesus lied.

I can give you scriptures that say Jesus created everything, and I can give you scriptures that say God, the Father did.

They are the same one!
You are shown with many scriptures and still you refuse to believe.

There are scriptures that speak PLAINLY and say the FATHER did or said or is something, and then there are scriptures that say that exact thing about the son. THAT SHOWS US THAT THEY ARE THE SAME ONE. They are NOT just called God. They are called the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Now if it was solely the Father men had seen in the O.T., then did Jesus lied in John 5:37 & in John 5:39-40 & John 5:46-47 & John 8:56-59?

No, because that was not the Father they had seen in the O.T. but the Son of God before His incarnation.

You, instead of trying to figure out God's Truth and have it make sense and revealed to you---you are just trying to hold on to your false teachings from men and are trying to defend what those men taught you.

 

[God's Truth]

There are scriptures that speak PLAINLY and say the FATHER did or said or is something, and then there are scriptures that say that exact thing about the son. THAT SHOWS US THAT THEY ARE THE SAME ONE. They are NOT just called God. They are called the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

@GodB4Us Just so you understand what I am talking about when I said they are not just called God...

The scriptures will plainly say "the Father" did something, and, the scriptures will plainly say "Jesus" did something. The scriptures don't always just say "God" did something. That shows us that the Father and the Son are interchangeable; for the scriptures don't always just say God did something, if it did you might have a case.

Keep in mind you say all three Persons make one God and that the Persons are DIFFERENT from each other. So if a scripture says the Father did something, and another scripture says Jesus did it---then that proves they are NOT different!

 

[GodB4Us]

No, I am not. And it is sad to say that you don't have understanding about most all the scriptures.

How do you get that you can nullify the scriptures that also say the Father is the husband?
They are the same One.

Were you not specifying that only the Father was the husband as referenced in the O.T. when I have been telling you that the God made known & seen to men is the Word of God before His incarnation?

Jesus is God the Father made visible and come in the flesh.

How do you rectify this scripture? John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. Is Jesus a liar or is what you say is false?

Jesus is the only one who has seen the Father in the Spirit and in unapproachable light.
Jesus is the Word of God, and was with God from the beginning, AND IS GOD.
There is only One God, and He is the Father.
Since Jesus is God, then he is also the Father, because there is only one God and He is the Father.

JESUS IS GOD: John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

JESUS IS GOD MADE VISIBLE WITH A PHYSICAL BODY: John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

John 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jesus testified that no man had seen the Father at any time and yet man has seen & heard God in the O.T. and Jesus testified that Moses had written about Him, not the Father, as seen by men.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life......46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

So did Jesus lied again that no man had seen nor heard the Father in the O.T. but the God men had heard and seen was Jesus as the Word of God before His incarnation?

Stop asking if Jesus lied.

I can give you scriptures that say Jesus created everything, and I can give you scriptures that say God, the Father did.

Since Jesus does everything in according to the Father's will and His request to make man after their image and after their likeness so that when the Father agreed, as the One God, He , the Word of God with the Father & the Holy Spirit in agreement to establishing the Word of God's testimony in creation in having created man after His image and after His likeness for why everything was made by the Word of God.

In the same way in how Jesus answer prayers now; Jesus serving as our only Mediator, gives our intercessions after searching our hearts, and gives the unuttered intercessions of the Holy Spirit's by knowing the mind of the Spirit's, ad His own intercessions to the father so that whichever intercession the Father agrees with, the Son answers the prayers as God so that the Father may be glorified in the Son & receive thanks in Jesus's name..

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Why not say .. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that the Father will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, the Father will do it. ???

I know Jesus did not lie, but in according to your belief that God is really the same Person in the Father, the Son & and the Holy Ghost just doesn't track, brother, for it makes Jesus look like a liar by His words & He is not a liar.

Just explaining why I do not believe your version of the One God being a One Person God. He is far more complicated than that and when you consider the Hebrew word "Elohim" for the English word "God", Elohim is plural as gods.

 

[God's Truth]

Were you not specifying that only the Father was the husband as referenced in the O.T. when I have been telling you that the God made known & seen to men is the Word of God before His incarnation?

You keep just repeating yourself.

God the Father in the Old Testament is called our husband.

God the FATHER was seen in the Old Testament.

How do you rectify this scripture? John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. Is Jesus a liar or is what you say is false?

Again, for probably like the tenth time, that is PROOF that Jesus is God the Father from the Old Testament times.

Jesus testified that no man had seen the Father at any time and yet man has seen & heard God in the O.T. and Jesus testified that Moses had written about Him, not the Father, as seen by men.

It is proof that JESUS is the Father.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life......46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

So did Jesus lied again that no man had seen nor heard the Father in the O.T. but the God men had heard and seen was Jesus as the Word of God before His incarnation?

Since Jesus does everything in according to the Father's will and His request to make man after their image and after their likeness so that when the Father agreed, as the One God, He , the Word of God with the Father & the Holy Spirit in agreement to establishing the Word of God's testimony in creation in having created man after His image and after His likeness for why everything was made by the Word of God.

In the same way in how Jesus answer prayers now; Jesus serving as our only Mediator, gives our intercessions after searching our hearts, and gives the unuttered intercessions of the Holy Spirit's by knowing the mind of the Spirit's, ad His own intercessions to the father so that whichever intercession the Father agrees with, the Son answers the prayers as God so that the Father may be glorified in the Son & receive thanks in Jesus's name..

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Why not say .. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that the Father will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, the Father will do it. ???

I know Jesus did not lie, but in according to your belief that God is really the same Person in the Father, the Son & and the Holy Ghost just doesn't track, brother, for it makes Jesus look like a liar by His words & He is not a liar.

Just explaining why I do not believe your version of the One God being a One Person God. He is far more complicated than that and when you consider the Hebrew word "Elohim" for the English word "God", Elohim is plural as gods.

Stop spamming the threads with your copying and pasting. You are even copying and pasting to other threads!

 

[GodB4Us]

You keep just repeating yourself.

Then we are done, brother.

Stop spamming the threads with your copying and pasting. You are even copying and pasting to other threads!

Sharing what I had posted to you in this thread in that other thread is for @Godbehonored 's sake who does not believe in the Triune God at all, but only One God as if a One Person God same as you do but as if wearing different hats. I know you do not like that analogy of the three hats but I cannot recall what analogy you were using to best describe your belief. Feel free to repeat it here.

But essentially, we are done. Thank you for sharing your belief, but you are wrong and you cannot see how wrong you are. It is not on me to cause the increase when only God can help you see your error.

 

[God's Truth]

Then we are done, brother.

Sharing what I had posted to you in this thread in that other thread is for @Godbehonored 's sake who does not believe in the Triune God at all, but only One God as if a One Person God same as you do but as if wearing different hats. I know you do not like that analogy of the three hats but I cannot recall what analogy you were using to best describe your belief. Feel free to repeat it here.

But essentially, we are done. Thank you for sharing your belief, but you are wrong and you cannot see how wrong you are. It is not on me to cause the increase when only God can help you see your error.

You are the one who is wrong.

God isn't going to give you an increase unless you repent for believing and teaching falseness.

There are not three different Spirits.

 

[GodB4Us]

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. KJV

What is John talking about? Here below is John the Baptist's testimony as reported by the apostle John;

John 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Now look at confirmation from the gospel of Mattew of the 3 Witnesses of the Son as God being sent from Heaven.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus is standing there after being water baptized, that is one Witness, the Holy Spirit alighting on Him like a dove as the 2nd Witness, and the Father speaking from Heaven regarding His Son as God is the third Witness.

No one person can serve as three witnesses by His words, and so there are 3 Witnesses within the One God for how as the Triune God, God establishes a testimony and how God judges any one.

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Jesus reaffirmed and taught it in the N.T. when correcting any brother in error or in a trespass.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Even for establishing a true witness.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

So for everything that Jesus has said, the Father & the Holy Spirit are each separate Witnesses from Jesus in making what Jesus has said as a true witness.

Paul reaffirmed and taught the same thing when establishing a testimony or judging any one since it cannot be done by one person.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. 20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

When we see how God created man, He did it in creating man per the Word of God's request to the Father in being plural and yet when in agreement to that request, as the One God, the Word of God created man after His image and after His likeness thus establishing a word or a testimony in creation.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

We can see the same when God judged the people at the tower of Babel as the Word of God made the request to the Father & as the Triune God, to go down and scatter the people in confusing them by giving them different languages.

Genesis 11:5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

The Hebrew word " Elohim " for God in the English language is plural and so from the very beginning since the creation account, God has been a Triune God in how as the One God He had established a word in creation & had judged any one.

 

[GodB4Us]

So the point of Jesus's water baptism was not for Him to be "baptized" with the Holy Ghost as if that is the same for how we were baptized by Jesus with the Holy Ghost at our salvation when we had come to & believed in Him & got saved.

Reasons are;

#1 John the Baptist only baptized with water as scripture cited Jesus as the only One that baptizes with the Holy Ghost.

#2 John the Baptist's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins was not why Jesus was getting baptized when He had no sin let alone anything to repent of.

#3 Therefore the anointing taken place was the fulfillment of the prophesy of the Father & the Holy Spirit to proclaim the acceptable year of sending Jesus as the God our Redeemer to give the Good News.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Isaiah 61:1The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

That testimony from the Triune God is true as Three Witnesses within that One God established that testimony from Heaven as true in the fulfillment of the prophesy of God the Redeemer, Jesus Christ, for saying in the O.T..