many or few?

[JerryfromMass]

To my knowledge, the apostles Peter and Paul weren't rivals, viz: they weren't
constantly trying to outdo each other.

Not rivals, but certainly of different approaches and mindsets.

• Phil 1:27 . .Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the
gospel of Christ. Then, whether I come and see you or only hear about you in my
absence, I will know that you stand firm in one spirit, contending as one man for
the faith of the gospel.

• Jude 1:3 . . Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our
common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend
earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

Given the peace-loving nature of true God-given Christianity, I seriously doubt
either Paul or Jude mean for Christians to get involved in inquisitions and crusades.
Instead, contending for the faith means taking a serious interest in helping to
prevent your Church from becoming infected with, and/or influenced by, godless
ideologies, e.g. liberalism and so-called political correctness.

Agreed. The crusades and the Inquisition were not, imho, conducted in the name of Jesus Christ. I agree that contending for the faith includes what you've stated, but also includes unashamedly proclaiming the good news to the lost and the afraid that are without Christ in tbeir lives.

Just metaphors; and besides, those are individual responsibilities rather than teams.

More than metaphors; more like instructions, directions, commands for the individual and the collective.


I fail to detect rivalry in that activity. In point of fact, armor is an individual
responsibility rather than teams.

Again, it is more instructive, directive, commanding for both the individual and the collective. One for all and all are One.

• 2Tim 2:15 . . Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does
not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Some folks construe rightly dividing the word of truth as instructions to keep the
Old Testament completely separate from the New. But that's not even close to what
Paul is told his friend Timothy.

The Bible is one narrative, imo, and all sixty-six books are the whole counsel of God.

Paul was a blue collar tradesman: he fabricated portable shelters for a living (Acts
18:3). The Greek word for "rightly dividing" is orthotomeo (or-thot-om-eh'-o) which
means: to make a straight cut-- as opposed to a crooked cut --or a cut that misses
the line and yields a piece of material that's either too long, too short, or the wrong
contour; thus resulting in a tent whose pieces won't join properly when it comes
time to sew them together. The results? A distorted tent and a black mark for the
craftsman.

Perhaps Paul used language he was accustomed to as a tent-maker in order to get his point accross, but rightly dividing the word is akin to saying: "keep it in context, stay on point, and what is said in letter A can be used to build on what is said in letter B, C, D, E, etc." The letters were all written as one long run-on sentence, in some cases. The letters were likely read aloud in their entirity to the assembly so as to keep the entire message in context.

The intent is not one of severing the Bible in half and treating each as a separate
book, nor of breaking the New Testament in two pieces with the gospels in one and
the epistles in the other; but to be accurate in the whole's interpretations and
applications so that it all fits together perfectly from first to last, like a well made
armoire instead of a hastily constructed rabbit hutch.

Agreed. The entire Bible is the Counsel of God.
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[Garee]

The act of reconciliation is an act of taking responsibility. We reconcile ourselves to God as an act of taking responsibility for our sins. God reconciled HIMSELF to humanity in order to take responsibility for sinful man that HE created.

Yes and because Christ is out confidence we put no confidence in our own corrupted flesh .He promises if he has begun the good work of salvation in us he wil finish it till the end .That responsibility is bewteen the the Father and Son.

Philippians 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

God tried over and over to reconcile humanity to HIM through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and through all of HIS prophets that HE sent. However, man rebelled time and time again. Man failed. So God had a plan that would not fail, namely: God would become a human being and reconcile HIMSELF to humanity in order to provoke man to reconcile themselves to God.

God revealed mankind falls short of the glory of God all the days or their lives .And if he would take into account the one wage of one sin who could stand before His Holy place and receive mercy and grace . In that way we fear him because with him their is plenty of forgiveness

The only way God could reconcile HIMSELF to humanity was for HIMSELF to become human. God became a human embryo in order to be born as we are born, to grow in time and space as we do, to live and breathe as we live and breathe, to experience all the bumps and bruises and scraped knees of childhood, to feel as we feel, to hunger and thirst as we hunger and thirst, to work and play and form bonds of friendship as we do, to suffer and mourn as we do, to feel pain as we do, to be accused and accursed as we are, to experience death as a human just as all of us will one day experience death, and to be tempted by evil and the devil just as we are tempted. And through it all, he reconciled HIMSELF to us by showing us that we are overcomers, thst even though we fall and die, we have HIM to show us that thete is life after our bodies die. He showed us this by his death, burial, and resuurection. HE reconciled HIMSELF to all who believe in HIM by becoming our living hope.

The only way God who is not a man as us could demonstrate his promise beforehand in places like Genesis 3:15 or Isaiah 53 to show us how the two work (Father and Son) together to establish the gospel of peace.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Yes and because Christ is out confidence we put no confidence in our own corrupted flesh .He promises if he has begun the good work of salvation in us he wil finish it till the end .That responsibility is bewteen the the Father and Son.

Philippians 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:




God revealed mankind falls short of the glory of God all the days or their lives .And if he would take into account the one wage of one sin who could stand before His Holy place and receive mercy and grace . In that way we fear him because with him their is plenty of forgiveness



The only way God who is not a man as us could demonstrate his promise beforehand in places like Genesis 3:15 or Isaiah 53 to show us how the two work (Father and Son) together to establish the gospel of peace.

Do you believe Jesus is God incarnate? Do you belueve in the Trinity: that God is one God consisting of three distinct and eternal persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

 

[Sue D.]

(God created Adam and Eve with freedom of Choice and He Also knew that Adam and Eve Would sin. God did Not create sin -- He knew it would happen and Therefore, made the way for man to be reconciled Back to Himself.-- the cross)

 

[Beetow]

Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the
Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; here recently somebody online didn't
call me a religious fanatic for believing; instead they called me a bigot because I
promote the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new
political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

• Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The
kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against The
Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break their bands asunder, and cast
away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall
have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in
His sore displeasure.

Awww-Haw-Haw-Haw-Haw-Hawwwwwww!! Morons!

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of
its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of
gender identity?

UPDATE: 235 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 14,599,140 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.

NOTE: I typically avoid posting mockery but In this case I sort of have to because
Psalm 2 pretty much requires it.
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[Garee]

Do you believe Jesus is God incarnate? Do you belueve in the Trinity: that God is one God consisting of three distinct and eternal persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Yes I do believe the Spirit of God indwelt the flesh of the Son of man Jesus which was signifed as sinfull .(Jesus the Son of man knew no sin). He came as one sent by the father to do the will as a prophet and cheif apostle the cornerstone the spiritul house the bride of Christ. Jesus was sent with the words of the father. .

Some say Peter the serial denier was the cheif apostle and cornerstone of the spiritual house made up of many lively stones .

Earthen vessels powerless faithless none . . . not little.. ,

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

 

[B-A-C]

Yes I do believe the Spirit of God indwelt the flesh of the Son of man Jesus which was signifed as sinfull .

You have a talent for side-stepping, but this doesn't really answer the question. Is Jesus, God?

 

[JerryfromMass]

Yes I do believe the Spirit of God indwelt the flesh of the Son of man Jesus which was signifed as sinfull .(Jesus the Son of man knew no sin). He came as one sent by the father to do the will as a prophet and cheif apostle the cornerstone the spiritul house the bride of Christ. Jesus was sent with the words of the father. .

Some say Peter the serial denier was the cheif apostle and cornerstone of the spiritual house made up of many lively stones .

Earthen vessels powerless faithless none . . . not little.. ,

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Is Jesus God?

 

[Garee]

You have a talent for side-stepping, but this doesn't really answer the question. Is Jesus, God?

I have no talent for dancings. I have two left feet. My wife was the disco queen .

Did you mean is God a man as us, or is there any fleshly infalible umpire that sits betwen God not seen and mankind seen as a fleshly teaching master and Lord? .

In that way eteranl God who remains without father and mother without geneaology without beginning of Spirt life or end of it

God is greater than man His creation.

Job 9: 32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

 

[JerryfromMass]

I have no talent for dancings. I have two left feet. My wife was the disco queen .

Did you mean is God a man as us, or is there any fleshly infalible umpire that sits betwen God not seen and mankind seen as a fleshly teaching master and Lord? .

In that way eteranl God who remains without father and mother without geneaology without beginning of Spirt life or end of it

God is greater than man His creation.

Job 9: 32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

You are dancing. Answer the question: Is Jesus God? Yes or No?

 

[JerryfromMass]

I have no talent for dancings. I have two left feet. My wife was the disco queen .

Did you mean is God a man as us, or is there any fleshly infalible umpire that sits betwen God not seen and mankind seen as a fleshly teaching master and Lord? .

In that way eteranl God who remains without father and mother without geneaology without beginning of Spirt life or end of it

God is greater than man His creation.

Job 9: 32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

I'll ask another way: Do you believe in the trinitarian Godhead that consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

 

[Beetow]

Is Jesus God?

That question cannot be answered either a simple Yes or a simple No because Jesus
is biologically related to Adam.

So then, if Adam was a created man, then all men who descend from him are
created men too. In point fact, Jesus referred to himself as son of man on
numerous occasions. Well; unless he is really and truly Adam's biological progeny,
then Jesus would be a bald faced liar making such a claim.

Most Christians will accept that Jesus descended from Adam, but not many will
accept that Jesus is a created man; it's just too much for them to accept that Jesus'
human existence began with the dust of the Earth just like all the rest of us.

"And the Word was made flesh" (John 1:14)

Those few words offer a concise explanation of Jesus' origin, but considering how
few they are; they really say a lot because when they're combined with John 1:1-3
and Heb 3:3-4, it's readily seen that Jesus created himself; beginning with Adam.
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[B-A-C]

but not many will
accept that Jesus is a created man; it's just too much for them to accept that Jesus'
human existence began with the dust of the Earth just like all the rest of us.

Jesus existed before He became a man.

Is Jesus God?

It seems this subject comes up at least every 6 months or so. The answer isn't always a simple yes or no to everyone. We have modalists, who would.. "sometimes". We have oneness unitarians who would say ... "never". We have trinitarians who would say "always". And even if the answer is...

www.talkjesus.com

 

[JerryfromMass]

That question cannot be answered either a simple Yes or a simple No because Jesus
is biologically related to Adam.

So then, if Adam was a created man, then all men who descend from him are
created men too. In point fact, Jesus referred to himself as son of man on
numerous occasions. Well; unless he is really and truly Adam's biological progeny,
then Jesus would be a bald faced liar making such a claim.

Most Christians will accept that Jesus descended from Adam, but not many will
accept that Jesus is a created man; it's just too much for them to accept that Jesus'
human existence began with the dust of the Earth just like all the rest of us.

"And the Word was made flesh" (John 1:14)

Those few words offer a concise explanation of Jesus' origin, but considering how
few they are; they really say a lot because when they're combined with John 1:1-3
and Heb 3:3-4, it's readily seen that Jesus created himself; beginning with Adam.
_

John 1 must be remembered by all who doubt God became a human being. JESUS is eternal, HE was before the creation of the world, HE was the Word and the Word was God.

When someone believes God created the heaven and the earth and all that is in it, but then believe Jesus was simply a man because Job says God is not a man, they have a very small view of God's omnipitence.

If God can speak things into existence (God said LET THERE BE LIGHT, etc), destroy the world with a flood, confound the language of everyone, part the Red Sea, strike down those that rebel against HIM, open the earth to swallow those that are against HIM, impregnate a virgin by the power of the Holy Spirit, and everything else the Bible says God has done, God can become a human being. If you doubt this, may God have mercy on you.

 

[Beetow]

Jesus existed before He became a man.

There's an example of folks unable to discern any difference between the Word in
John 1:1-3 and the flesh that the Word became in John 1:14

There was no Jesus before he became a man because:

1» Human flesh didn't exist till it was created in the first chapter of Genesis

2» The human soul didn't exist till it was created in the first chapter of Genesis.

3» There was no son of God named Jesus till the names were given him at his birth. (Luke 1:31-32)
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[Sue D.]

@Beetow -- then apparently you don't believe in the Godhead. God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Looking at Genesis 1:26 "Then said God, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness ..." The 'Us' is the 1st time the trinity is in Scripture. The "Us" referring to God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit.

The Godhead is eternal. Jesus Christ , the Son of God, part of that Godhead is also eternal.

His time on this earth was only 33 yrs. and then He ascended back up to His Father in heaven.

 

[Beetow]

If you doubt this, may God have mercy on you.

You really shouldn't be saying things like that on the internet Jerry; there may be
people from all over the world looking in on us who are honestly trying to
understand exactly what it is that Christians believe, and why they believe it.
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[JerryfromMass]

There's an example of folks unable to discern any difference between the Word in
John 1:1-3 and the flesh that the Word became in John 1:14

There was no Jesus before he became a man because:

1» Human flesh didn't exist till it was created in the first chapter of Genesis

2» The human soul didn't exist till it was created in the first chapter of Genesis.

3» There was no son of God named Jesus till the names were given him at his birth. (Luke 1:31-32)
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All of what you said is true, re: human flesh and human soul, but the Son is eternally God just as the Father and Spirit are eternally God - they have always been eternally God together and eternally inseparable.

 

[JerryfromMass]

You really shouldn't be saying things like that on the internet Jerry; there may be
people from all over the world looking in on us who are honestly trying to
understand exactly what it is that Christians believe, and why they believe it.
_

We Christians believe in the triune nature of God, eternally existing as Father, Son, and Spirit. The unbelieving world needs to see that. And those that reject the triune nature of God need to be taught the error of their way.

 

[Sue D.]

You really shouldn't be saying things like that on the internet Jerry; there may be
people from all over the world looking in on us who are honestly trying to
understand exactly what it is that Christians believe, and why they believe it.
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[/QUOTE

If you Don't believe that the trinity / Godhead Is true -- that Jesus Christ is Not the Son of God -- then you / anyone Does have a problem. And, yes, God have mercy on you.

Jesus Christ -- being the Son of God -- is the Only One who could die for our sins, in our place. If Jesus Christ had simply been another religious teacher of that day -- His death would not have meant anything. But the fact that He rose again bodily on the 3rd day Proved that He was.

And, we believe This because the Word of God tells us that.