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Marriage - when does God consider a man and a woman 'Married'

The whole purpose of Jesus revealing to this woman about her past, and the current relationship was to show her he knows all things. This caused her to return to her village and tell all everyone (preached the good news) she found the messiah!.

Joh 4:29 “Come, see a man who told me all that I ever did. Can this be the Christ?”
Joh 4:30 They went out of the town and were coming to him.

Joh 4:39 Many Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony, “He told me all that I ever did.”
Joh 4:40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they asked him to stay with them, and he stayed there two days.
Joh 4:41 And many more believed because of his word.
 
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All "born again" Christians are already married to the "groom' (Jesus Christ) as the Holy Spirit is the "guarantee" (engagement ring) of what has already taken place!

Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
 
Christian marriage has always included a ceremony first - uniting the man with his wife -- they are introduced to the people in the audience as Mr. And Mrs. 'whomever'. And then comes the reception and they drive off to begin their married life together. They consumate their marriage when they are alone on their honeymoon.

In a book Christy I was reading long ago and also watched the TV presentation. In the villages -- the couple were united in marriage and right away - they disappeared and consummated their marriage. They became 'one flesh' physically soon after they were united in the spiritual part.

And many decades ago -- a young dating couple at church decided that they would have sex and therefore be one in Christ -- the pastor let them know that having sex did Not make them married. It Did mean that they were committing fornication and should not continue with that activity until they Were married. The pastor was my husband at the time which is the only reason I knew about it.

With Another couple. They both had been married previously and divorced. They had planned a wedding in a few weeks, but they really wanted to be together than particular night. So, they said their vows to each other. Prayed together -- and felt it was okay to go ahead and be together. They were part of a small Bible study group that we were part of. The lady and I had a few private conversations about it.

Haven't been to a wedding in a long time.

I Googled the subject a while back. Found that in most countries -- Indian tribes even -- there is a ceremony of some kind that joins the man and a woman together and they become part of the community of families. Then they come together physically. Anything else is considered living in sin / shacking up.
 
Greetings brother PB

There is not a pastor out there that has never referred to a commentary, but commentaries should always be last resort after study and letting scripture speak to us through the Holy Spirit.

Now you also cannot say you do not use them, I can tell from your posts when you have said tour bit and when you have cut-n-pasted from a commentary, so please let's not have this nonsense talk.

Regarding my last post, I read the scripture, I read your comments, I read B-A-C's comments, as I said my understanding was as yours, so then I looked at the commentary. But since reading Ray's last comments I agree with what he says, the commentary was not needed,but if ever looked at they should always be a last resort.

Let's look up brother and give thanks and praise, but remember also our feet are still down here.

Bless you.
 
All "born again" Christians are already married to the "groom' (Jesus Christ) as the Holy Spirit is the "guarantee" (engagement ring) of what has already taken place!

Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.


So true brother, this again reflects the Jewish marriage procedure in Galilee at the time of Jesus.

The covenant comes first, the betrothal, we call engagement, but the public declaration to marry come first, the bride and groom are considered married at this point. When we submit ourselves to Jesus, we the bride, submit to Jesus the Groom, in an open declaration of faith. Then comes the period of preparation, which we are in now, the groom created a place for his bride, in his father's house, the bride prepares herself for the grooms return for her.

In the Jewish culture, in Galilee, at the time of Jesus, there is a period of separation, usually around 12 months, as we, born again believers are separated now, it is a period of preparation from the bride and the groom. The groom will return for his bride, the bride has to be ready and waiting at all times, she does not know when the groom will return,but he will, bevan only return when his father says, go get your bride.

PTL
 
Christian marriage has always included a ceremony first - uniting the man with his wife -- they are introduced to the people in the audience as Mr. And Mrs. 'whomever'. And then comes the reception and they drive off to begin their married life together. They consumate their marriage when they are alone on their honeymoon.

In a book Christy I was reading long ago and also watched the TV presentation. In the villages -- the couple were united in marriage and right away - they disappeared and consummated their marriage. They became 'one flesh' physically soon after they were united in the spiritual part.

And many decades ago -- a young dating couple at church decided that they would have sex and therefore be one in Christ -- the pastor let them know that having sex did Not make them married. It Did mean that they were committing fornication and should not continue with that activity until they Were married. The pastor was my husband at the time which is the only reason I knew about it.

With Another couple. They both had been married previously and divorced. They had planned a wedding in a few weeks, but they really wanted to be together than particular night. So, they said their vows to each other. Prayed together -- and felt it was okay to go ahead and be together. They were part of a small Bible study group that we were part of. The lady and I had a few private conversations about it.

Haven't been to a wedding in a long time.

I Googled the subject a while back. Found that in most countries -- Indian tribes even -- there is a ceremony of some kind that joins the man and a woman together and they become part of the community of families. Then they come together physically. Anything else is considered living in sin / shacking up.


Dear Sue, if I may say, in love, you looking at now and the world not at Jewish culture at the time of Jesus, you are also googling for answers which are far from the Time and place Jesus was on earth.

Is what we do today in the western world right? Is a wedding in another country applicable to what we are discussing here? Will google give us the the answer we need on a basic wedding/marriage search?


No. No. No!

As you say 'now a days' people have a marriage ceremony, then reception, then go on honeymoon, Was it like that at the time of Jesus in Galilee, No.

It will not solve any issues if we say, well we are a different culture, this is what we do today, and Christian's do it this way, and Jews did it their way. That too does not solve the situation; in fact it makes things worse.

Look at the marriage, in Galilee at the time of Jesus and see the massive differences.

The groom approaches his hopeful bride.
He offers her wine as way of saying, will you marry me, if she accepts they say their vows in public.
It was common for them to do this near the gates of the city because this was where the law makers would be. Once she accepted the wine he offered, a covenant was made and they pronounced their vows to each other, at that point they were legally married, they then started the betrothal period; they separated and would not see each other again for approximately 12 months. But they were considered legally married from making of the Covenant.

During the 12 month, approximately, the bride returned home and purchased the material for her dress, and made it or had it made, the same applies also for her ladies in waiting, we call bridesmaids. Meanwhile the groom, returned to his father's house, he started to prepare a room there for him and his wife. But they would not see each other again until, the grooms father said, go get your bride.

She, the bride, had to be ready and waiting at all times, lamps trimmed, oil in the lamps and ready, she does not know the day of hour her groom will return for her. The groom prepares the place for his bride; he too has to wait; only his father can say when the groom can 'go get his bride'.

When the father says 'son go get your bride's the shofar is sounded, the trumpet call, as he goes to get her, everyone comes out into the street and will see him, he goes and receives his bride unto himself. Then follows the wedding ceremony and wedding feast.

The Jewish wedding, in Galilee, is totally different to what we see today, and the couple never had sex until they were legally married in the sight of God.

The picture of a traditional wedding/marriage at the time of Jesus is a wonderful picture of how a wedding should be, Lord forgive us all. As always, our Lord Jesus Christ, did what he always did, he took everyday things and showed us heaven through them. Here is very special because the wedding at Canaan in Galilee was His first miracle, co-incidence, certain not it was for sure, God-incidence. This first miracle is the thread that leads to the last one, when we, the bride, the ekklesia, the born again believers, the bride of Christ, will be with our Lord and the Wedding Feast can begin.

The groom offered his future bride some wine, at this point she accepted or rejected his invitation to marriage; this is God calling us to Jesus, to be born again, to be His Bride, the church, if we accept Jesus unconditionally the covenant between God and us was prepared through Jesus, it happens the moment we accepted Jesus, as brother Curtis says, this is the ring on the finger.

Then comes the betrothal period which we are in now, the church, the bride, the ekklesia, the born again from above believers are preparing ourselves for our groom, for our Lord's coming. The groom went away for a while, to the Father's house in Heaven, He is creating a place for His bride, but He cannot return until the Father says so. Only the Father knows the day and the hour. Like so much in scripture, one item is an image of what is to come, marriage and the wedding feast is one also. Jesus was the master of revelations, his parables give us an insight of heaven, in this first miracle at Canaan in Galilee, we reach or hear preached the words of Mary, 'do whatever he tells you', or the miracle of the changing of water into 'the best wine', but under the sackcloth of this story is wrapped another incredible parable, I stand in awe praising God.

We are taught what a marriage was like, should be like, yet we don't see it in the world we live, weddings today are sex first, ceremony later, which so often as to be as quick as possible as the couple cannot wait to get on honeymoon. Wedding ceremony's have become a means for yet another party.

But it wasn't like that, it was not intended to be like that, it wasn't like it at the time of Jesus, and what happened at the time of Jesus was a picture of a true wedding between our Lord and His Church, between the groom, the bride and the father of the groom. The pattern was set for us to learn from, the time line was set for the wedding feast, we are to be virgin brides, preparing for the grooms return, he is coming, our lights must always be trimmed and filled with oil, we are to be ready any hour, any minute, it only needs one step to be fulfilled... the Father saying, 'Son go get your bride'.
 
John 4
16. He *said to her, “Go, call your husband and come here.”
17. The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.” Jesus *said to her, “You have correctly said, ‘I have no husband’;
18. for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly.”
19. The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.


Perhaps... but He tells this woman... you've had 5 (fill in the blank)... the man you're with now is NOT (fill in the blank).
What made this 6th man different from the other five? If the other five were not her husbands, why didn't Jesus simply say.. you're with the 6th guy who isn't your husband.
Somehow, something was different about the other 5.

Thank you brother.

Now taking the three possibilities mentioned in the first post in the thread...

1 - Marriage - according to the 'law'
2 - Marriage - requires covenant (vows) and a ceremony
3 - Marriage - begins when a man and woman have sex.

We read the woman, had had 5 husbands, but the 6th she was not married to.

Item-1 it is doubtful she was married according to Jewish Law as she was a Samaritan

Item-3 this cannot be the situation either, if she was classed as married when they had sex, she would be married to all 6 and we see she wasn't.

So to me brother, Jesus is acknowledging (what he already knew beforehand) that she was married, Option-2, she said her vows, made a covenant with the first 5 men, but was sinning with the sixth. There is also no sign in what Jesus said to her, that she was an adulteress, the 5 previous men must have passed away before she re-married.

What are your thoughts Ray?
 
What are your thoughts Ray?

It is possible her first 5 husbands died. But it is also possible they didn't.. at least not all of them. We don't know for sure.

Mark 6
16. But when Herod heard of it, he kept saying, “John, whom I beheaded, has risen!”
17. For Herod himself had sent and had John arrested and bound in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip, because he had married her.
18. For John had been saying to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.”
19. Herodias had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death and could not do so;

But it seems polygamy and adulterous marriages were not uncommon in the Bible.

David himself had an affair with another man's wife, and had the woman's husband killed. (Uriah the Hittite)
This woman became pregnant, that first baby died (seemingly at the hand of God) but the second child of Bathsheba was King Solomon.
David took Bathsheba as his wife... this could be considered an adulterous marriage by Hebrew law, but yet the Bible says 'David was a man after God's own heart' in the new Testament.
Psalms 51 is basically a prayer asking God for forgiveness for what he had done. The Bible says God loved Solomon, so he didn't hold this against Solomon.

However Solomon also had marriage problems.
1 Kings 11:1; Now King Solomon loved many foreign women along with the daughter of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite women,
1 Kings 11:2; from the nations concerning which the Lord had said to the sons of Israel, “You shall not associate with them, nor shall they associate with you, for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods.” Solomon held fast to these in love.
1 Kings 11:3; He had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned his heart away.
1 Kings 11:4; For when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away after other gods; and his heart was not wholly devoted to the Lord his God, as the heart of David his father had been.
1 Kings 11:5; For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians and after Milcom the detestable idol of the Ammonites.
1 Kings 11:6; Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord, and did not follow the Lord fully, as David his father had done.

Jacob was tricked into marrying Leah before he could marry Rachel. He had two wives, it seems it was acceptable at certain times.

I myself am divorced... and re-married. If David can be forgiven, I am hoping I can be as well. Many Christians say they sin, is this sin worse than their sins?
In my case, I believe 1Cor 7:15; would apply. It says we "are not under bondage" (to the law) in this case.

So why do we assume her first five husbands were dead?
 
Matt 5:31; “It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; ( Deut 24:1-3; )

Matt 19:7; They *said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give her a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
Matt 19:8; He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.

Mark 10:2; Some Pharisees came up to Jesus, testing Him, and began to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife.
Mark 10:3; And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?”
Mark 10:4; They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”
Mark 10:5; But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment.

Don't get me wrong... I am not condoning divorce at all.. but it did happen in the Bible.

Malachi 2:11; Judah has dealt treacherously, and an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah has profaned the sanctuary of the Lord which He loves and has married the daughter of a foreign god.

This verse is problematic, is bringing a spouse that believes in another god an abomination to God?

Malachi 2:16; For I hate divorce,” says the Lord, the God of Israel, “and him who covers his garment with wrong,” says the Lord of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.”

However if you do get divorced... and one of you sleeps with someone else while you are apart, you should not get re-married.

Deut 24:1; “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house,
Deut 24:2; and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man’s wife,
Deut 24:3; and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife,
Deut 24:4; then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.

Jeremiah 3:1; God says, “If a husband divorces his wife And she goes from him
And belongs to another man, Will he still return to her? Will not that land be completely polluted?
But you are a harlot with many lovers; Yet you turn to Me,” declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 3:2; “Lift up your eyes to the bare heights and see; Where have you not been violated?
By the roads you have sat for them Like an Arab in the desert,
And you have polluted a land With your harlotry and with your wickedness.

I apologize for talking about divorce here, but the title of this thread is "when does God consider a man and a woman married". I think to answer that, we have to consider... when does He consider them.. "not married".
The New Testament does give 3 valid cases for when a marriage can end.
 
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@B-A-C - - you asked why we assumed that the first five husbands were dead? Because lots of the men had multiple wives but the women did not have multiple husbands. Mostly the women were financially dependent on the man. When a husband would die -- the next brother in line would take on that responsibility. And on down the line of the brothers. That particular woman was with whomever was around to sustain her life.
 
@B-A-C - - you asked why we assumed that the first five husbands were dead? Because lots of the men had multiple wives but the women did not have multiple husbands. Mostly the women were financially dependent on the man. When a husband would die -- the next brother in line would take on that responsibility. And on down the line of the brothers. That particular woman was with whomever was around to sustain her life.

Is it not possible she is divorced? 5 times.
 
It is possible her first 5 husbands died. But it is also possible they didn't.. at least not all of them. We don't know for sure.

Mark 6
16. But when Herod heard of it, he kept saying, “John, whom I beheaded, has risen!”
17. For Herod himself had sent and had John arrested and bound in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip, because he had married her.
18. For John had been saying to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.”
19. Herodias had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death and could not do so;

But it seems polygamy and adulterous marriages were not uncommon in the Bible
It is possible her first 5 husbands died. But it is also possible they didn't.. at least not all of them. We don't know for sure.

Mark 6
16. But when Herod heard of it, he kept saying, “John, whom I beheaded, has risen!”
17. For Herod himself had sent and had John arrested and bound in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip, because he had married her.
18. For John had been saying to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.”
19. Herodias had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death and could not do so;

But it seems polygamy and adulterous marriages were not uncommon in the Bible.

David himself had an affair with another man's wife, and had the woman's husband killed. (Uriah the Hittite)
This woman became pregnant, that first baby died (seemingly at the hand of God) but the second child of Bathsheba was King Solomon.
David took Bathsheba as his wife... this could be considered an adulterous marriage by Hebrew law, but yet the Bible says 'David was a man after God's own heart' in the new Testament.
Psalms 51 is basically a prayer asking God for forgiveness for what he had done. The Bible says God loved Solomon, so he didn't hold this against Solomon.

However Solomon also had marriage problems.
1 Kings 11:1; Now King Solomon loved many foreign women along with the daughter of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite women,
1 Kings 11:2; from the nations concerning which the Lord had said to the sons of Israel, “You shall not associate with them, nor shall they associate with you, for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods.” Solomon held fast to these in love.
1 Kings 11:3; He had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned his heart away.
1 Kings 11:4; For when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away after other gods; and his heart was not wholly devoted to the Lord his God, as the heart of David his father had been.
1 Kings 11:5; For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians and after Milcom the detestable idol of the Ammonites.
1 Kings 11:6; Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord, and did not follow the Lord fully, as David his father had done.

Jacob was tricked into marrying Leah before he could marry Rachel. He had two wives, it seems it was acceptable at certain times.

I myself am divorced... and re-married. If David can be forgiven, I am hoping I can be as well. Many Christians say they sin, is this sin worse than their sins?
In my case, I believe 1Cor 7:15; would apply. It says we "are not under bondage" (to the law) in this case.

So why do we assume her first five husbands were dead?


The is a more balanced approach to marriage in the NT, and here we are listening to Jesus himself.

Note he knew all about the Samaritan woman, if there was anything untoward he would have said it to her, in fact he did. You have had five husbands, but the last man you are with is not your husband. If any of the husbands previously didn't die she would be committing adultery with the next, and the next and the next. Jesus did not mention any other issues in her marriages only the last one, therefore I assume they had each died before she re-married. Jesus was not shy at speaking the Truth, he was not shy at making clear what he knew, he was not shy with this Samaritan woman and the Jews couldn't understand it. He was also not shy at saying it was a wicked and adulterous generations.

So as I see the first 5 husbands and the last was not, I also see that they must have died before she remarried.

There are as you say many situations in the OT, but not so in the NT, Jesus' first miracle was at a wedding in Canaan in Galilee, there we see what a wedding was like, more so when we look at the Galilean culture, that was at the start of his ministry, the situation with the Samaritan woman was well into his ministry.

I was married and got in a mess and was divorced. My wife was married and was divorced. So in effect I was an adulterer, so was my wife, we both married a second time. I guess I was fortunate, I came to Christ 20 years later and all my past sins were wiped away and remembered no more. As for my wife, she has not accepted the Lord yet, so she carries her sins still, I pray for her salvation daily. I may be fortunate in one way but not in another, I am living with an adulterer, we no longer have sex, due to my disability it would take me so long to get in position I would have forgotten what I got in position for, but we did have sex together after I came to the Lord, and she is still an adulteress. I repent daily and Trust in the Lord, I will do everything daily for Him, as much as I can in my situation, I have claimed my wife's salvation as spiritual head of the family, I can only wait in the Lord. If I end up in hell, God forbid, that I will have received my just punishment in his eyes, but it will not stop me worshipping him and being the best disciple I can.

I like you brother, Trust in the Lord with all my heart and lean not on my own understanding. We stand in faith.

Bless you
 
Is it not possible she is divorced? 5 times.


Only for reasons acceptable to God.

5 times?

Matthew 5:31-32
“You have heard the law that says, ‘A man can divorce his wife by merely giving her a written notice of divorce.’ But I say that a man who divorces his wife, unless she has been unfaithful, causes her to commit adultery. And anyone who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery. But I say, do not make any vows! Do not say, ‘By heaven!’ because heaven is God’s throne.”
 
Unfaithfulness was one reason you could get a divorce.
If your spouse dies, you are allowed to get remarried.
If you are married to an unbeliever and they leave you (it is their choice, not yours) that is acceptable also. It seems remarriage is acceptable in this case.

Marriage does not follow you to the after-life. I know people who say they can't wait to get to heaven and be re-united with their deceased spouses, but they won't be spouses in heaven.

I actually know a woman who has been married 4 times, but yet she has met these requirements.
Her first husband was an unbeliever that left her, and filed for divorce. She didn't want the divorce, but it happened.
Her second husband died.
Her third husband was unfaithful and had some affairs. She divorced him.

Now I'm not saying the Samaritan woman at the well was like this.... but I don't think we should assume she was following the Jewish law here either.
 
Unfaithfulness was one reason you could get a divorce.
If your spouse dies, you are allowed to get remarried.
If you are married to an unbeliever and they leave you (it is their choice, not yours) that is acceptable also. It seems remarriage is acceptable in this case.

Marriage does not follow you to the after-life. I know people who say they can't wait to get to heaven and be re-united with their deceased spouses, but they won't be spouses in heaven.

I actually know a woman who has been married 4 times, but yet she has met these requirements.
Her first husband was an unbeliever that left her, and filed for divorce. She didn't want the divorce, but it happened.
Her second husband died.
Her third husband was unfaithful and had some affairs. She divorced him.

Now I'm not saying the Samaritan woman at the well was like this.... but I don't think we should assume she was following the Jewish law here either.


Hi Ray

It is doubtful the Samaritan woman was following Jewish marriage laws, marriage to others was one of the main reasons the Jews rejected them if I remember rightly.

I think we agree Ray, that she was genuinely 'married to' 5 men previously, the last one she was not married to. as Jesus confirmed. For what ever reason, we don't know, but Jesus did, and he didn't see any reason to say anymore about it.

So for me, I would add to that and say, if there was a reason from one marriage to another if she committed sin, Jesus would have said so. He didn't He is basically saying, 'lady you have been married 5 times but you have a clean slate, except for the man you are with now he is not your husband. He didn't say, 'lady I know all about your marriage past', instead he hit her with the surprise statement which shocked her, so much she ran back to tell everyone about Jesus and He knows everything about her. Our Lord had such a wonderful way of saying things brother.
 
Gen 19
30. Lot went up from Zoar, and stayed in the mountains, and his two daughters with him; for he was afraid to stay in Zoar; and he stayed in a cave, he and his two daughters.
31. Then the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth.
32. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father.”
33. So they made their father drink wine that night, and the firstborn went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
34. On the following day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.”
35. So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
36. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.
37. The firstborn bore a son, and called his name Moab; he is the father of the Moabites to this day.
38. As for the younger, she also bore a son, and called his name Ben-ammi; he is the father of the sons of Ammon to this day.

I wonder if this makes Lot married to his daughters?
 
When I was a teenager, there was a woman in missions -- she had out-lived 3 husbands and remained on the mission field. They had all died of cancer.
 
The question I would ask is, if Jesus condemned the Jews for so many thing, which he did, should we not be considering what Jesus did, said or condemned first?

If Jesus didn't condemn or say anything against the topic we,are considering, then we should then take all scripture to look for the correct meaning.

If we do not consider what Jesus said or did first, then we could be accepting errors he was condemning, we could be making the same errors as the Jews did in the past.
 
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