Marriage - when does God consider a man and a woman 'Married'

[Bob Carabbio]

scripture is not explicit regarding the subject.

DIsagree - The experience with Jacob and Leah is pretty explicit. They went into a tent, had sex, and were married in God's eyes - period. That Jacob didn't even know WHO he was having sex with is unimportant.

The ceremonial procedures and rituals are unimportant - Spiritually.

A Wedding in the U.S. DOES NOT accomplish a "Marriage". All it accomplishes is a legally binding CONTRACT, executed before witnesses, and regulating property ownership, accessibility privileges, Family responsibilities, and legal conditions under which the Contract may be dissolved when the happy couple wants OUT. And ideally after the contract signing, the couple goes off and MARRIES one another.

Nowadays a significant percentage of couples have been married weeks months or YEARS before their "Wedding" often with children already.

Naturally to play the game of Being an American Citizen, particularly where legal complications arise, being LEGALLY MARRIED is an obvious advantage.

 

[PloughBoy]

Marriage for christians is a covenant with witnesses and not a contract. a Vow before God as Your witness as well. You have made a vow before GOD, that what you will do in this covenant, and the movement you have sex you have become one. and GOD honors that one ness with His blessing that is not to be interpret by you. and if you violate that Covenant in any way and not make amends according to GOD's terms, He Will Judge, he is not under any bounds! HE does as He wills, grace is not a must for GOD the FAther. And SEX outside of Perimeters of GOD the Father is a "Abomination" no excuses. a "Indictive"! scary.

Could you imagine going to hell for all eternity just because of a moment of pleasure. Sin for A season. A person will have eternity to think that one out. Man that is going to be a mine blower, Especially if you step out on your spouse! You substituted unkind words from your own spouse to do eternity in The lake Of Fire! You took kinds words and a smile from a "untimely Fig Tree" for a life time in Hell and then The Lake of Fire" I wish i could used some "Ghetto Vernacular" with "Hyperbole"! "you got to be crazy, to even take a risk" Just because he forgave the woman caught in the very act, does not mean he will forgive you!
Just because He forgave King David, does not mean He will forgive you!

PS there are not no special perks for "females", so it be for the "Males so will it be for the females" His hand does not get " lighter" with the whip! "There is No respect of Persons with GOD" There are Neither males of Females in "christ Jesus"! God Deals with "SINNERS" be you a saved one or a condemn one, a dry one or a wet one! And He sends "sinners" to hell and not "Sins". Sins do not go to hell< sinners do! little ones,big ones, small ones, large ones, fat ones, skinny ones, strong ones, weak ones, tall ones, short ones, pretty ones, ugly ones, handsome ones, attractive ones, dumb ones, smart ones, He does not discriminate. Now do not wait to tomorrow to think about this, you need to get busy now
you better stop wasting time on escape clauses! these churches and christians are handing you out! When you in doubt; "DON'T"! if you have to ask someone is it ok , "DON'T"! if you have to ask someone if you can marry again! "DON'T"! Set your eyes on "Eternity" way pass Heaven!

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Marriage - when does God consider a man and a woman 'Married'

It is a debatable topic, and scripture is not explicit regarding the subject. But marriage is a very important topic, it should never been gone into lightly, especially for Christians.

There are I understand, three lines of thought, each having there own positives and negatives. I include this thread for discussion I am sure we all have our own views, but please try keep to scripture as much as is possible

The 3 options considered in the subject of what is marriage in God's eyes.

1 - Marriage - according to the 'law'
2 - Marriage - requires covenant (vows) and a ceremony
3 - Marriage - begins when a man and woman have sex.

Jesus' first miracle was at a wedding, this is very important in a number of ways but let us stay on topic, with marriage'

What was a Jewish wedding like in Galilee at the time of Jesus?

The traditional Jewish Wedding at the times of Jesus.

1 - There is the marriage covenant - The father pays for the bride and establishes the marriage covenant.

Further reading Acts 20:28; 1 Cor 6:19-20; 1 Cor 11:25; Eph 5:25-27

2 - The Bridal Chamber is Prepared - The son returns to his father’s house and prepares the bridal chamber.

Further reading John 6:62; John 14:2; Acts 1:9-11

3 - The Bride is Fetched - At a time determined by the father (Matt 24:36), the groom fetches the bride to bring her to his father’s house. “Although the bride was expecting her groom to come for her, she did not know the time of his coming. As a result, the groom’s arrival was preceded by a shout, which forewarned the bride to be prepared for his coming.”

Further reading John 14:3; 1 Thess 4:13-18

4 - The Bride is Cleansed - The bride undergoes ritual cleansing prior to the wedding ceremony.

Further reading 1 Cor 3:12-15; Rev 19:7-8 +

5 - The Wedding Ceremony - The private wedding ceremony.

Further reading Rev 19:7 +

6 - The Consummation - In the privacy of the bridal chamber the bride and groom consummate the marriage.

Further reading Rev 19:7 +

7 - The Marriage Feast - The celebratory marriage feast to which many are invited.

Further reading Matt 22:1-14; Matt 25:1-13; Luke 12:36

Jewish culture, is totally different to the western world.

So lets look again at the three options again.

1 - Marriage - according to the 'law' was the covenant between the couple. In the west it is get into bed first, try before you buy, if they do get married the covenant (vows) came later.

But God requires us to be married by law. Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:17

2 - Marriage - requires covenant (vows) and a ceremony. A man and a woman are married in God’s eyes when they have completed some kind of formal wedding ceremony. The vows are said in public, who act as a witness to them saying the vows.

Jesus was presence at a wedding ceremony at Canaan in Galilee. He accepted the wedding procedure of the day, He did not condemn it, he had plenty to say about divorce. In fact Jesus used the Jewish procedure for a wedding at the time he was on earth as a model of His Church, His beloved Bride.

3 - Marriage - begins when a man and woman have sex. God considers a man and a woman married the moment they engage in sexual intercourse. Some who take this to mean that a couple is not truly “married” in God’s eyes until they have consummated the marriage physically. Others argue that, if any man and woman have sex, God considers the two of them to be married. The basis for this view is the fact that sexual intercourse between a husband and wife is the ultimate fulfilment of the “one flesh” principle (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Eph 5:31). In this sense, sexual intercourse is the final “seal” on a marriage covenant.

We could refer to Isaac and Rebekah, he took her into a tent, she became his wife. But in the NT at the time of Jesus, a wedding was not like that, a wedding ceremony was as listed above. Marriage covenant first, then the Bridal chamber is prepared, the Bride is fetched, the Bride is cleansed, then comes the wedding ceremony, then the consummation, finally the marriage feast which is a very joyous occasion and could last for a full week.

But is this 'marriage' in the eyes of God? We should consider also a disabled person who cannot have sex, or a terminally ill person, they marry according to the law, say their vows in public etc, but either the man or the woman dies and they have not had sex, were they married?

Should the various options be ignored, or shall we choose a little from one and a little from another to suit our situation?

When is a man and a woman married in God's eyes?

Marriage is a covenant. Its in force just as soon as its cut...He vows she vows "I declare you man and wife" They are married. Christians do not know much about covenant, which is strange considering we ARE a covenant people. So the covenant has a defined beginning and it has a defined finishing point...Its not a forever covenant but has a defined end.

 

[Sue D.]

BAck many years ago -- there was a young couple that my husband and I had gotten to know. Their concept was that in God's eyes they were 'married' when they had sex. My husband, pastor at that time, told them that Actually , they had not taken part in a marriage ceremony and so, they were committing fornication -- having sex Before they were married.

So -- going back to the first couple -- Adam and Eve -- they were joined by God and had sex and produced children. The first family. Other-wise why would God tell us to 'forsake youthful lusts' -- do not engage in activity that will get the 'other person' 'turned on' sexually.

Becoming 'one' is a very special time for married couples only. The marriage ceremony -- what ever it consists of -- is 1st and Then the 'becoming one'.

People are 'emotionally' married 1st -- at some point in the relationship -- they 'know' that they want to be together -- forever. They feel more complete With each other than without. But they still need to Ask the other person to marry them. And the other person needs to say 'yes'. It shouldn't be any surprise that they are being proposed To by that person who is already special to them. But there Have been couples who are good friends for a long time, people Expect them to get married at some point. But they break up - to everyone's shock-- and Then meet someone who they share Chemistry with. And They get married. At least they knew they could maintain Friendship with someone of the opposite sex and Not have sex.

Relationships / People are complicated. Sometimes we forget what plain Friendship is and assume that Marriage will follow.

So -- 'we' need to take marriage relationship Very seriously.

So -- When does God consider a man and woman Married? When they obey the laws of the land And have a ceremony uniting them together. But I Do recall that at the end of a ceremony -- the preacher pronounces they to be husband and wife and says that the groom may now kiss his bride. The bride and groom turn around and look at the others and are introduced as Mr. and Mrs. 'whomever'. And Then the reception and Then they leave for their honeymoon and enjoy being married.

 

[PloughBoy]

BAck many years ago -- there was a young couple that my husband and I had gotten to know. Their concept was that in God's eyes they were 'married' when they had sex. My husband, pastor at that time, told them that Actually , they had not taken part in a marriage ceremony and so, they were committing fornication -- having sex Before they were married.

So -- going back to the first couple -- Adam and Eve -- they were joined by God and had sex and produced children. The first family. Other-wise why would God tell us to 'forsake youthful lusts' -- do not engage in activity that will get the 'other person' 'turned on' sexually.

Becoming 'one' is a very special time for married couples only. The marriage ceremony -- what ever it consists of -- is 1st and Then the 'becoming one'.

People are 'emotionally' married 1st -- at some point in the relationship -- they 'know' that they want to be together -- forever. They feel more complete With each other than without. But they still need to Ask the other person to marry them. And the other person needs to say 'yes'. It shouldn't be any surprise that they are being proposed To by that person who is already special to them. But there Have been couples who are good friends for a long time, people Expect them to get married at some point. But they break up - to everyone's shock-- and Then meet someone who they share Chemistry with. And They get married. At least they knew they could maintain Friendship with someone of the opposite sex and Not have sex.

Relationships / People are complicated. Sometimes we forget what plain Friendship is and assume that Marriage will follow.

So -- 'we' need to take marriage relationship Very seriously.

So -- When does God consider a man and woman Married? When they obey the laws of the land And have a ceremony uniting them together. But I Do recall that at the end of a ceremony -- the preacher pronounces they to be husband and wife and says that the groom may now kiss his bride. The bride and groom turn around and look at the others and are introduced as Mr. and Mrs. 'whomever'. And Then the reception and Then they leave for their honeymoon and enjoy being married.

That is "Westernization". and "Idealism" fuel by "Speculations"!

1. Who else was Adam going to "copulate" with if he didn't "copulate" with Eve?

2. And How many daughters did she have, between Cain and Abel? a hundred or was it 25. and no telling how many adam could have had a thousand daughters in 9000 years! Eve had Help! She did not have all those babies, before the earth was flooded, Solomon, had 700 wives and 300 Concubines! in His short life span. So maybe she had alot of twins, Triplets, quartets, groups of 5, groups of 6, maybe even 8. and don't forget these were evil kids! and don't forget Adam and Eve wasn't to bright themselves. And it could have gotten to a piont, of having about a 100 to 1000 kids his self in one year! maybe even 6000 kids a year. And you know there where more boys,

The Bible did say:

NASB 1977
"that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose." [and how many]. [and the women had no say in the matter]. Back then if i wanted you, i was going to take you, pick you up and throw you across my should and take you Home!
"Ceremony Alright"!
New American Standard Bible
"God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Does anyone need a "Translator"?

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- God's creating Adam and Eve as the 1st two people was to show - for one thing - that He created people -- that nothing evolved from the animal world. And that the world is populated one generation at a time -- And that family consists of man and woman. God created Marriage. And it really doesn't matter that they were the only people around To get together. And the rest of it doesn't make any difference.

Why Couldn't Adam and Eve been the parents of whatever kids they produced over 900+ years. And nothing was preventing their grown kids from having kids of their own. That's usually what happens. That's just how it worked back then.


The life spans diminished greatly after the flood. And we've been down to an average of about 80 yrs. presently.

Adam lived 9 hundred 30 or so years NOT 9,000 yrs. You had one too many zeros.

We're not told how many kids they had and it doesn't matter.

God married them and they had kids together.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy -- God's creating Adam and Eve as the 1st two people was to show - for one thing - that He created people -- that nothing evolved from the animal world. And that the world is populated one generation at a time -- And that family consists of man and woman. God created Marriage. And it really doesn't matter that they were the only people around To get together. And the rest of it doesn't make any difference.

Why Couldn't Adam and Eve been the parents of whatever kids they produced over 900+ years. And nothing was preventing their grown kids from having kids of their own. That's usually what happens. That's just how it worked back then.


The life spans diminished greatly after the flood. And we've been down to an average of about 80 yrs. presently.

Adam lived 9 hundred 30 or so years NOT 9,000 yrs. You had one too many zeros.

We're not told how many kids they had and it doesn't matter.

God married them and they had kids together.

typo 9000 instead 900 hundred. My Bad. Earth age viewed by some religious leaders and some scientist has claim earth age around 6000 years old. and others over 4 billion years old. I hold to a young earth, around 6,000 year old earth. So it is Impossible for Adam to live 9,000 years too. My Typo error.

And some Biblical Scholar also hold that the Flood killed about a "Billion" people! Adam and Eve's kid's. so if you have the time of the flood, then we would have the amount of kids per year was produce on a estimate basis.

Only thing we can go on, is what is recorded in the Bilble, all else is mere "Speculations". and 'speculations' is not "Truth".

 

[PloughBoy]

 

[Sue D.]

You apparently had a point in including this video.

 

[Sue D.]

typo 9000 instead 900 hundred. My Bad. Earth age viewed by some religious leaders and some scientist has claim earth age around 6000 years old. and others over 4 billion years old. I hold to a young earth, around 6,000 year old earth. So it is Impossible for Adam to live 9,000 years too. My Typo error.

And some Biblical Scholar also hold that the Flood killed about a "Billion" people! Adam and Eve's kid's. so if you have the time of the flood, then we would have the amount of kids per year was produce on a estimate basis.

Only thing we can go on, is what is recorded in the Bilble, all else is mere "Speculations". and 'speculations' is not "Truth".

People like to speculate -- God's Word says in Genesis 6 :5 + Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said. I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast. creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them. vs 9 But Noah found grace n the eyes of the Lord."

No numbers are given. The numbers of people isn't the point. It was their Evilness that was.

All we're Told is that Adam and Eve had the three mentioned by name and then continued to have children. They had children until they Didn't.

Sounds like you're trying to prove a point? To who? God's Word is truth, yes.

 

[PloughBoy]

People like to speculate -- God's Word says in Genesis 6 :5 + Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said. I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast. creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them. vs 9 But Noah found grace n the eyes of the Lord."

No numbers are given. The numbers of people isn't the point. It was their Evilness that was.

All we're Told is that Adam and Eve had the three mentioned by name and then continued to have children. They had children until they Didn't.

Sounds like you're trying to prove a point? To who? God's Word is truth, yes.

Those are "Anthropormorphic words'" preent by a man, and plus a added attraction of created Translated words of the closes ability to arrive to the thought pattern of the :Original Copied Manuscripted text" You speak and Interpret as that was the Lanugage of The Original Text. You have arrived what we Called a "problem text", in saying that, many have arrived to a wrong conclusion of what the text is really saying, and it is "Definitely" not a "Paradox". The error intent you have develop has been so "fertilize' it has leaven the Whole Lump. you See: There must be a "Art of Biblical Interpretation"! "Laws are created by GOD" as a example into created things. "what goes up has to come down"! the "Law of GRAVITY" Newton's thrid law of motion.
And just because, a person Knows Mathematics, Addition, Subtraction, Divsion, Multipilcation, does not mean the person can understand certain Mathematical problems, for that is a common knowledge. How many of us as "Kidds" dreaded mathematical problems in grade school:

"John had; 43 cents, went to the store which was 4 blocks away, decided maybe he should take the Bus, for 5 cents and buy 3 apples instead of 4, because he wanted to go over to billy's house on the other side of town, in which he would catch the bus and the return trip, and the tommorrow morning him and Susan was going to the Donut shop for fresh donuts, at 2 for a nickel, a three cents for a small bottel of milk." How much would John have to add to his remaining coins to buy the 50 cent "spinning Top" friday at the "Confectionery Store' on the corner. after he paid off his 28 cents to Larry whom he owed."
Note: you might have to deteremine the "X" factor.

Berean Study Bible
God is not a man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?
King James Bible
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
New American Standard Bible
“Shall I bring to the point of birth but not give delivery?” says the LORD. “Or shall I who gives delivery shut the womb?” says your God.