Mother Mary

[B-A-C]

Mary is alive in heaven, and I talked to her and I asked her to pray for me. What part of that is not scriptural?

How much time do you have?

1Tim 2:5; For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 14:6; Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Deut 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deut 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deut 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deut 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Isa 8:19; And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Psa 115:17; The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Mary is alive in heaven,

Not according to the Bible.

John 3:13; "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
Acts 2:34; "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,

What part of that is not scriptural?

There are more, but I would ask, what part of it "IS" scriptural?

 

[B-A-C]

If you can talk directly to Jesus. ( Who is the ONLY pipeline between you and the Father )
The Jesus who is your savior, your redeemer, who paid the price for you on a cross... Jesus who is the GOD of all creation, your creator.
..or... you could talk to a Jewish woman, ( as good as she might have been ).

Why would you not choose God?

Heb 6:20; where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

It would seem that if you did need to talk to someone besides Jesus, John the Baptist would be a better choice.

Matt 11:11; "Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

 

[Bill]

How much time do you have?

1Tim 2:5; For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 14:6; Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Deut 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deut 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deut 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deut 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Isa 8:19; And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Psa 115:17; The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.



Not according to the Bible.

John 3:13; "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
Acts 2:34; "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,



There are more, but I would ask, what part of it "IS" scriptural?

All of it is scriptural, I quoted a lot of it earlier when I quoted what is written when Elizabeth and Mary encounter each other. I mean it's bad enough that you want to sit there and tell me that it's not scriptural when it comes from the word of Jesus which is a scripture itself and then you got the Holy Spirit quoting through Elizabeth the very same thing. What more do you need? Your fight isn't with me it's with the Holy Spirit and Jesus

 

[Bill]

If you can talk directly to Jesus. ( Who is the ONLY pipeline between you and the Father )
The Jesus who is your savior, your redeemer, who paid the price for you on a cross... Jesus who is the GOD of all creation, your creator.
..or... you could talk to a Jewish woman, ( as good as she might have been ).

Why would you not choose God?

Heb 6:20; where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

It would seem that if you did need to talk to someone besides Jesus, John the Baptist would be a better choice.

Matt 11:11; "Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

In the Scripture it says that you cannot talk to the Dead. But those who are alive in Christ are alive in Christ and that's all there is to it. Just cuz the body which is only the Temple of the Holy Spirit, dies. Does not mean that the person themselves is dead. A person who is dead is one who has gone to hell. You know that we are Eternal beings if you don't believe that then why in the world do you even bother becoming a Christian in the first place.

Paul was preaching, and a person falls asleep or whatever from his preaching and dies. But he's risen back to life right there on the spot. And what does Paul say if he dies in the Lord then he's not dead but alive.

You just can't go against the scripture, just to follow your little whims about what is allowed and what's not allowed. Just because you don't want to accept the fact that Mary is alive that's on you. But that's not what the scripture says.

There's nothing in Scripture that tells us that we cannot talk to those that have gone on before us. Even Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah and we know for sure that Moses is dead because scripture shows us that. But Moses is alive in God, his body is dead but his soul is alive with God in heaven.

In you're thinking there is some confusion going on on what you considered to be dead versus what you considered to be alive. Maybe you think that this thing that you are using walking around the planet on is All That You Are, when it's just a shell. It's just a house of what you are inside.

 

[Bill]

Here is the proof in Scripture that Jesus is not just Lord but God as well.

The Gospel of John chapter 1

"In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God.

He was with God in the beginning, threw him all things came to be, not one thing had its beginning but through him. All that came to be had life in him and that life was the light of men. A light that shines in the dark a light that Darkness could not overpower.

A man came, sent by god. His name was john. He came as a witness, as a witness to speak for the light, so that everyone might be leaving him. He was not the light only a witness to speak for the light.

The word was the true light, that enlightens all men. And he was coming into the world. He was in the world that had its beginning through him, and the world did not know him. He came to his own domain and his own people did not accept him. But to all who did accept him, he gave power to become children of god. To all who believe in the name of him, who was born not out of human stock or urge of the flesh or will of man but of God himself. The word was made flesh and he lived Among Us. And we saw his glory, the glory that is his as the only son of the father. Full of grace and truth."

So here we have irrefutable proof that Jesus is not only Lord, but he is also God. And that Jesus is also one with God.

It also proves that Jesus became flesh, that God became flesh and he dwelt Among Us.

He is also shown to be the only Son of the Father.

 

[Samson2020]

You as well, a hypocrite. How can a person accept Jesus as Lord and not think of him as God that is just ridiculous.

Maybe it's in your religion, in your mind that Jesus is not God and I say why don't you just tell us right here right now if you believe that Jesus is God or not.

I already did and the answer again is NO He is not the Father of Himself.
John 1:2 He was in the beginning WITH GOD.
The Father is greater than I. John 14:28
The Father hath GIVEN ME LIFE. John 5:26
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ 2 Co 11:31 2 Co 1:3 Eph 1:3 Eph 1:17 Col 1:3 1 Pe 1:3 Heb 1:9
If you would read post #35 again and slow down to comprehend what I said maybe just maybe you'll see it. Especially the 42 generations unto Christ in Matthew.
The generations from Abraham unto Jesus was only 41, but once Jesus was baptized and the HG descended He, as a man, was born of the Spirit of God and from that moment on was Jesus Christ. The BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD. Rev 3:14 He did not create Himself! But as the beginning of the creation He became the first Spiritually begotten Son of God. Heb 1:5 There are many many many more to follow in His steps. Indeed that is the gospel, SONSHIP.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

What part of this is a false statement " Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus." " Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now until the hour of our death"

Doesn't scripture tell us, that if a person dies in Christ that they are not dead but alive? Would you say that those in heaven are dead or are they alive? If they are dead then we should not talk to them and Jesus would be a hypocrite for talking to Elijah and Moses. But if they are alive then we are hypocrites if we cannot even think about talking to them because they are alive not dead but alive.

Mary is alive in heaven, and I talked to her and I asked her to pray for me. What part of that is not scriptural?

If you deny that a person who dies in Christ is not alive then I say that you are a hypocrite.

Bill

What part of this is a false statement " Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus." " Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now until the hour of our death"

Doesn't scripture tell us, that if a person dies in Christ that they are not dead but alive? Would you say that those in heaven are dead or are they alive? If they are dead then we should not talk to them and Jesus would be a hypocrite for talking to Elijah and Moses. But if they are alive then we are hypocrites if we cannot even think about talking to them because they are alive not dead but alive.

Mary is alive in heaven, and I talked to her and I asked her to pray for me. What part of that is not scriptural?

If you deny that a person who dies in Christ is not alive then I say that you are a hypocrite.

What part is not scriptural? There is ONE God and ONE mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus....We do not pray to another. 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 So then.....If we pray to another ... we are getting into idolatry....spiritual adultry.....
Hugs on you Bill

 

[Bill]

Bill

What part is not scriptural? There is ONE God and ONE mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus....We do not pray to another. 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 So then.....If we pray to another ... we are getting into idolatry....spiritual adultry.....
Hugs on you Bill

Hmmm , if I'm talking to you then I'm just talking to you. If I'm talking to Mary the mother of Jesus then I'm just talking to Mary the mother of Jesus. When I talk to God the Father, then I talked to God the Father.

Prayer what is that exactly, is it talking to someone that's in heaven? If that is true then Jesus was praying to Moses and Elijah. Because they were already there in heaven.

Prayer is beseeching, is seeking from God the Father, whether it is a blessing or seeking help or many other things. And I only pray to God the Father as Jesus directed us. But I still talk to God the Father, in fact I do more of that than virtually anything else. And I also talked to many others who are in heaven as well. Including the angels.

So again I'm asking what exactly is prayer to you? Because prayer to me is when you beseech God for something.

When the apostles spoke to Jesus, is that praying to Jesus too? When they asked him questions about the parables, were they praying to Jesus to do that? Even after they found out that Jesus was the Messiah, and they asked Jesus questions were they praying to Jesus?

So again I say what is prayer to you? To me prayer is when you're asking the Lord for help, asking the Lord for a boon, asking the Lord for something.

Tell me do you think that praising God is also prayer? When we praise God are we saying a prayer to God too? I'm just curious to know exactly what you think prayer is.

 

[Dave M]

Jesus called her His mother. Is Jesus God? Yes or no?

please show the scripture,

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Blessed Virgin Mary: Primary Doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church
The Blessed Virgin Mary was the mother of Jesus Christ. In addition to her Biblical biography, there are three primary doctrines that the Roman Catholic Church teaches about Mary:

Actually FOUR - you forgot "SINLESS"!!!!

 

[Bill]

please show the scripture,

Before I answer your question David, I'd like you to answer a question for me just couple questions.

We know that men were inspired to write the Bible. Who was the one who inspired them to do so?

And in the Gospel of John chapter 1, who is John talking about when he's talking about the Word?

Maybe in your own answers you will answer your own question that way. But I will still answer it if you want me to

 

[Dave M]

Before I answer your question David, I'd like you to answer a question for me just couple questions.

We know that men were inspired to write the Bible. Who was the one who inspired them to do so?

And in the Gospel of John chapter 1, who is John talking about when he's talking about the Word?

Maybe in your own answers you will answer your own question that way. But I will still answer it if you want me to

Bill,,, God is spirit, Mary is not the Mother of God who was and always has exited. This is why the gift of discernment is so important these days not to be deceived. Brother my heart goes out to you, know you are in my prayers.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Hmmm , if I'm talking to you then I'm just talking to you. If I'm talking to Mary the mother of Jesus then I'm just talking to Mary the mother of Jesus. When I talk to God the Father, then I talked to God the Father.

Prayer what is that exactly, is it talking to someone that's in heaven? If that is true then Jesus was praying to Moses and Elijah. Because they were already there in heaven.

Prayer is beseeching, is seeking from God the Father, whether it is a blessing or seeking help or many other things. And I only pray to God the Father as Jesus directed us. But I still talk to God the Father, in fact I do more of that than virtually anything else. And I also talked to many others who are in heaven as well. Including the angels.

So again I'm asking what exactly is prayer to you? Because prayer to me is when you beseech God for something.

When the apostles spoke to Jesus, is that praying to Jesus too? When they asked him questions about the parables, were they praying to Jesus to do that? Even after they found out that Jesus was the Messiah, and they asked Jesus questions were they praying to Jesus?

So again I say what is prayer to you? To me prayer is when you're asking the Lord for help, asking the Lord for a boon, asking the Lord for something.

Tell me do you think that praising God is also prayer? When we praise God are we saying a prayer to God too? I'm just curious to know exactly what you think prayer is.

Bill I agree that talking to Jesus is prayer....Jesus is the only intercessor we have in heaven. Mary WAS blessed above all women that she became the potal for God made flesh to enter the world... God could only enter this world through a woman because, legally He had no right to the Earth. He owned it, gave it to Adam who gave it to satan...Satan became the sole owner of the Earth then.....Only those born here couuld be here. She needed a savior acording to her own words..."My soul does rejoice in God my savior."..She did not say "In God my son"

 

[Bill]

Bill,,, God is spirit, Mary is not the Mother of God who was and always has exited. This is why the gift of discernment is so important these days not to be deceived. Brother my heart goes out to you, know you are in my prayers.

My friend, is it so difficult to answer my question. But of course it is, lol. Because acknowledging the simple truths of who it was who inspired the writers ( Jesus) in the first place, would admit that Jesus is only talking about Himself with every referance that shows Mary as the mother of Jesus.

And what seals the point even more vividly, My second question of who was John talking about in the Gospel of John, when speaking of the Word (Jesus).

The fact is you have nowhere to go with a straight answer, so instead, you just do not give an answer.Because giving the answer would have answered your question of where is the scripture versus.

Jesus is speaking all the time right infront of your face, and you will not accept Him, because why? It makes you look too Catholic? Who cares? If following the words of Jesus makes you look like your a Catholic, so what. At least you are actually following Jesus word and not running from it.

 

[Bill]

Bill I agree that talking to Jesus is prayer....Jesus is the only intercessor we have in heaven. Mary WAS blessed above all women that she became the potal for God made flesh to enter the world... God could only enter this world through a woman because, legally He had no right to the Earth. He owned it, gave it to Adam who gave it to satan...Satan became the sole owner of the Earth then.....Only those born here couuld be here. She needed a savior acording to her own words..."My soul does rejoice in God my savior."..She did not say "In God my son"

Mary is still blessed above all women. If a person dies who accepts Jesus as her Lord and Savior are they alive or dead. Shall i quote the scripture for you on the subject?

By what right did Adam give the world to Satan?

You give both Adam and Satan way to much credit.

Satan was never the "owner" of the world.

Please read Gospel of John chapter 1

 

[Dave M]

My friend, is it so difficult to answer my question.

Bill you are a game player, I could ask you the same questions with the questions I posed to you. But all of this matters not, for with out the gift of discrment nothing can be reveled to you . Praying to Mary and calling Mary the mother of God is wrong and nothing I say to you will change your mind on that, it has to be revealed to you. Rosery beads are wrong.

JESUS never called Mary his mother in scripture, That is why you can not answere the question it never happened, peace and blessing on you Bill

 

[lentz]

Bill you are a game player, I could ask you the same questions with the questions I posed to you. But all of this matters not, for with out the gift of discrment nothing can be reveled to you . Praying to Mary and calling Mary the mother of God is wrong and nothing I say to you will change your mind on that, it has to be revealed to you. Rosery beads are wrong.

JESUS never called Mary his mother in scripture, That is why you can not answere the question it never happened, peace and blessing on you Bill

As I said before, best you can do for him is to just let him sleep

 

[Bill]

Bill you are a game player, I could ask you the same questions with the questions I posed to you. But all of this matters not, for with out the gift of discrment nothing can be reveled to you . Praying to Mary and calling Mary the mother of God is wrong and nothing I say to you will change your mind on that, it has to be revealed to you. Rosery beads are wrong.

JESUS never called Mary his mother in scripture, That is why you can not answere the question it never happened, peace and blessing on you Bill

It's not a game david. I'm trying to show you the reality of Truth but you just don't want to accept it plain and simple. There's nothing more real than the fact that Jesus is the author of the scripture. If Jesus is the author of the scripture then everything in the scripture is written by him. I don't understand why especially for the fact that I know that you read the scripture I know that you accept Jesus as your lord and savior I know that you know the description is the word of Jesus. Because Jesus is the word. Have you not understood anything I have said? Even when the Israelites were talking to God in the Old Testament, it was Jesus they were talking to the fact is they didn't recognize him. God's word is eternal. That means when Jesus says that no one can go to the father but through me, that also means everyone in the Old Testament cannot get to the father except being through Jesus as well. Then you have the motivation of the Holy Spirit and what is the holy spirit the holy spirit is God what part of God is not God you know how many times do I have to repeat myself. Cuz evidently it's not sunk in your head yet, that it doesn't matter if it's the Holy Spirit it doesn't matter if it's Jesus himself it doesn't matter if it's the father because the three are one. Jesus even says that I and my father are one.

It's your eyes that are blind David not mine. I Can See Clearly the fact that Jesus the father and the Holy Spirit are one I can see that clearly. And I can also see it clearly that when it's written in the Scripture it is Jesus who is saying it already.

As far as Lentz comment is concerned, he needs to wake up too. Instead of hiding under rocks

 

[Dave M]

It's not a game david. I'm trying to show you the reality of Truth but you just don't want to accept it plain and simple. There's nothing more real than the fact that Jesus is the author of the scripture. If Jesus is the author of the scripture then everything in the scripture is written by him. I don't understand why especially for the fact that I know that you read the scripture I know that you accept Jesus as your lord and savior I know that you know the description is the word of Jesus. Because Jesus is the word. Have you not understood anything I have said? Even when the Israelites were talking to God in the Old Testament, it was Jesus they were talking to the fact is they didn't recognize him. God's word is eternal. That means when Jesus says that no one can go to the father but through me, that also means everyone in the Old Testament cannot get to the father except being through Jesus as well. Then you have the motivation of the Holy Spirit and what is the holy spirit the holy spirit is God what part of God is not God you know how many times do I have to repeat myself. Cuz evidently it's not sunk in your head yet, that it doesn't matter if it's the Holy Spirit it doesn't matter if it's Jesus himself it doesn't matter if it's the father because the three are one. Jesus even says that I and my father are one.

It's your eyes that are blind David not mine. I Can See Clearly the fact that Jesus the father and the Holy Spirit are one I can see that clearly. And I can also see it clearly that when it's written in the Scripture it is Jesus who is saying it already.

As far as Lentz comment is concerned, he needs to wake up too. Instead of hiding under rocks

Bill you have once again avoided showing the scipture that you claim to exist that Jesus called Mary mother, it does not exist, you simply can not produce scripture to support your claim.

Bill the word of God scripture is the final authority on spiritual matters, not the catholic church as they claim, not the pope, not your heart not your mind scripture, if you claim something is in scripture and do not produce or apologize for the mis statement well then it is clear as day what this means. Blessings and peace to you in Jesus name

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

There is indeed, no scripture which says Mary is the mother of God...The doctrine is based on logic, albeit weak logic....Mary is the mother of Jesus physically. no doubt. Jesus as God existed eternally before Mary was ever born...So that same logic would preclude her to being the mother of God. As I said before, a Mary was blessed in that she became the portal by which Jesus could enter the world.

I do understand how many Christians do not understand the legalities involved, the churches do not teach that, among many things the churches do not teach that they should, but legally God could not just enter the world without a body....at the time, as now, Satan is lord in the earth....If you read Genesis you will read how God gave dominion in and of the Earth to Adam, then you will read how Adam gave it over to satan when he bowed his knee to satan....satan has dominion in the Earth then and now, like it or not.....Good news though, Jesus took that dominion from satan and gave it back to us. Now His people have dominion of the Earth and we can send Satan packing....if we will believe the Word

Let it be know though. I have a great admiration for Bill here. He stands alone on this doctrine of Mary being the mother of God. He is standing strong for his beliefs, standing true like a good soldier. I pray that he will learn the truth of the thing, and will see the truth of it. I'm proud of you Bill.