Mother Mary

[rstrats]

They read and read, but fail to see

Please quote the verse where you see the Messiah referring to Mary as His mother.

 

[Bill]

Please quote the verse where you see the Messiah referring to Mary as His mother.

If you read the statement I made, they read and read but failed to see.

This is exactly what I am talking about. You read the scripture left and right and you read it right and left and you read it up and down and down and up, but you still do not understand.

The bad part here at Talk Jesus is that for those who do understand, they won't talk about it. Because if they tell you that they understand what I'm talking about, then they look at themselves and say well we don't want to agree with that guy cuz he's so controversial. Plus he's Catholic.

What's going to be worse for them who understand what I say but do not support me in this, is that they will have to stand before God and explain that. Because when the Judgment comes the Judgment isn't about all the big things the judgment is going to be about all the little things. If you recall the scripture God counts every hair on your head.

I'll try to repeating this again, Jesus is the word. Jesus is the scripture, the very word that you read in the Bible is Jesus. There's no real other way to say it.

When you read the scripture you are reading the words of Jesus.

It doesn't matter what part of the Bible you read they are all the words of Jesus.

So when you see Elizabeth making the statement in the scripture, you have three individuals witnessing to the fact that Mary is the mother of my Lord. You have the Holy Spirit, who inspires Elizabeth and Elizabeth being the second person of the three, and the third individual is the fact that the word is of the Lord Jesus.

I'm in the argument could go on forever on this stuff but the fact is that because it's in the scripture itself it's already coming from Jesus because he's the word.

 

[rstrats]

So when you see Elizabeth making the statement in the scripture, you have three individuals witnessing to the fact that Mary is the mother of my Lord.

I'm not saying that Mary isn't the Messiah's mother. I'm saying that 2 of the 3 times that He addresses her that He simply refers to her as a woman. I find that odd. You apparently don't.

 

[Bill]

I'm not saying that Mary isn't the Messiah's mother. I'm saying that 2 of the 3 times that He addresses her that He simply refers to her as a woman. I find that odd. You apparently don't.

Yes there are a lot of things in Scripture that don't make a lot of sense. Like the stone rolling back for Jesus to get out of the Tomb, do you think Jesus needed to have the stone rolled back. What about Jesus saying that he has to leave so that the Holy Spirit could come. We know for a fact that the Holy Spirit was there with Jesus when he was baptized, also it was the Holy Spirit that inspired Elizabeth to speak when Mary encountered her. So why is it so important that Jesus has to leave?

 

[Dave M]

It is interesting that Jesus makes a point to never call her mother in the word of GOd, and then gives us a definition of his mother and brothers, bottom line is anyone who gives Mary any Glory is robbing God of his glory. She deserves respect as all brothers and sisters in Christ do, but any more then that like putting on a pedestal, making statues of her, or stain glass windows of her is wrong and non biblical.


Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
(Mark 3:31–35; Luke 8:19–21)

46. While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to Him.

47. Someone told Him, “Look, Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to You.”e

48. But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?”

49. Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers.

50. For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

 

[Bill]

It is interesting that Jesus makes a point to never call her mother in the word of GOd, and then gives us a definition of his mother and brothers, bottom line is anyone who gives Mary any Glory is robbing God of his glory. She deserves respect as all brothers and sisters in Christ do, but any more then that like putting on a pedestal, making statues of her, or stain glass windows of her is wrong and non biblical.


Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
(Mark 3:31–35; Luke 8:19–21)

46. While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to Him.

47. Someone told Him, “Look, Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to You.”e

48. But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?”

49. Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers.

50. For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

I know that Mary in her humility would never give herself any honor other than to be the mother of Jesus. And to be honest what greater honor can anyone ever have than to be called the mother of Jesus.

Yeah it isn't Jesus himself that calls Mary the mother of Jesus, it is God who calls Mary the mother of Jesus. God who is the father of the Son and the Holy Spirit, and it is through the Holy Spirit and through Elizabeth who is inspired by the Holy Spirit to say that who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me.

No other woman in all scripture was ever so honored, No Other Woman did God say to everyone who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me.

If you do not understand what I am trying to tell you, maybe you should understand what book it is that you read when you read the scripture. Is it not called the word of God? And did not the Holy Spirit inspire Elizabeth to say those very words?

 

[Bill]

Please quote the verse where you see the Messiah referring to Mary as His mother.

Who inspires the Scripture? Who is the Word of God? Is Jesus God?

It is written, the gospel of Matthew chapter 2 verse 11 and going into the house they saw the child with his mother Mary, and falling to their knees they did him homage.

The Gospel of Luke chapter 1 verses 40 through 45, she went into Zachariah's house and greeted Elizabeth. Now as soon as Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the child lept in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy spirit. She gave a loud cry and said, of all women you are the most blessed, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. Why should I be honored with a visit from the mother of my Lord? For the moment you're greeting reached my ears, the child in my womb lept for joy. Yes blessed is she who believed that the promise made to her by the Lord would be fulfilled.

If the Holy Spirit says "mother of my Lord"

Is it just the Holy Spirit who is speaking or is it God who speaks?

 

[rstrats]

Who inspires the Scripture? Who is the Word of God? Is Jesus God?

It is written, the gospel of Matthew chapter 2 verse 11 and going into the house they saw the child with his mother Mary, and falling to their knees they did him homage.

The Gospel of Luke chapter 1 verses 40 through 45, she went into Zachariah's house and greeted Elizabeth. Now as soon as Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the child lept in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy spirit. She gave a loud cry and said, of all women you are the most blessed, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. Why should I be honored with a visit from the mother of my Lord? For the moment you're greeting reached my ears, the child in my womb lept for joy. Yes blessed is she who believed that the promise made to her by the Lord would be fulfilled.

If the Holy Spirit says "mother of my Lord"

Is it just the Holy Spirit who is speaking or is it God who speaks?

Even if your theory is correct - and I think it's a stretch - I am referring to His time on earth when He is functioning as the Messiah.

 

[Twistie]

Brother Sonny, regardless of what denominations give her great spiritual position - TRUTH speaks for itself and it is stronger than man's views or religions.

Please read this:
http://www.talkjesus.com/showthread.php?t=5886

"why Jesus, in his most painful moments at the cross, asked his disciple to take care of his Mother"

What exactly does that have to do with the way people look at Mary? He was expressing the need for his human earthly brothers to take care of their elderly mother, Mary. This does not imply anything to do with her being more than just an earthly mother, for that is what she was. Blessed, but still human and earthly.

He said today woman this is your son.. He had flesh brothers yet He told this to His disciples to take care of her n then He said it is finished before He gave His spirit up . Shows we r family by Spirit..

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth"

 

[rstrats]

He told this to His disciples to take care of her

I'm not aware of any scripture which says that. What do you have in mind?

 

[Twistie]

I'm not aware of any scripture which says that. What do you have in mind?

What are you not aware of?? Do you not spend time with the Lord..
One must feed their spirit every day as much as possible I tell my son that all the time..

 

[Bill]

I'm not aware of any scripture which says that. What do you have in mind?

I'm not aware of any scripture that says it's okay to fly a airplane, does that mean it's evil to do that?

When the scripture tells us that Jesus said mother this is your son son this is your mother seems to me that Jesus is telling the Apostle to take care of his mother.

Have you already forgotten the great honor that the Israelites had for the Ark of the Covenant. Even though the two stone tablets were missing they still had great reverence for the Ark of the Covenant.

Mary the mother of Jesus, is the Ark of the Covenant. Because she held Jesus in her womb. Don't you think we should have great honor for Mary?

Have you forgotten already what the scripture says. When Elizabeth saw Mary, that Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and with sudden knowledge knew that Mary was the mother of the Messiah. And that the Holy Spirit inspired Mary to save, from this day forward all nations will call me blessed.

So if you are not calling Mary blessed you are going against what the scripture tells us to do, you are going against the word of the Holy Spirit. Florida was the Holy Spirit that inspired Mary to say it in the first place from this day forward all nations will call me blessed

 

[rstrats]

What are you not aware of??

You said that the Messiah told His disciples to take care of Mary. Where did He say this?

 

[Charlie24]

You said that the Messiah told His disciples to take care of Mary. Where did He say this?

John 19:26-27

"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home."

 

[First and the Last]

John 19:26-27

"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home."

Some extra insight:

The passage in John 19:26-27 where Jesus addresses His mother and the beloved disciple at the cross carries profound significance. In this moment of immense suffering, Jesus demonstrates His deep care and love for His mother, Mary. By entrusting her to the beloved disciple, traditionally understood to be John, He ensures that she will be cared for after His death. This act underscores Jesus' humanity and His concern for familial relationships.

Furthermore, this scene also highlights the importance of spiritual family within the Christian community. Jesus' instruction to Mary and John goes beyond mere familial duty; it symbolizes the new family that believers form through their faith in Christ. In a broader sense, Jesus' words illustrate the principle of love and responsibility among His followers, encouraging them to support and care for one another as a family in the faith. This passage, therefore, reflects both the compassionate nature of Jesus and the calling for His disciples to embody that same compassion and unity within the body of Christ.

 

[rstrats]

I'm not aware of any scripture that says it's okay to fly a airplane, does that mean it's evil to do that?

Who said that it is?

When the scripture tells us that Jesus said mother this is your son son this is your mother seems to me that Jesus is telling the Apostle to take care of his mother.

Maybe, but you're only assuming that was what He was saying.

BTW, He didn't use the word - mother. He used the word - woman when He addressed her, even though He new the word because He used the word when He told her son to look at his mother. In fact, He never once referred to her as mother when He talked to her.

Have you already forgotten the great honor that the Israelites had for the Ark of the Covenant. Even though the two stone tablets were missing they still had great reverence for the Ark of the Covenant.

What scripture says that?

Have you forgotten already what the scripture says. When Elizabeth saw Mary, that Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and with sudden knowledge knew that Mary was the mother of the Messiah. And that the Holy Spirit inspired Mary to save, from this day forward all nations will call me blessed.

Of course not, but what's your point?

So if you are not calling Mary blessed...

I'm not.

 

[rstrats]

John 19:26-27

"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home."

I don't see where the Messiah told the disciple to take care of Mary.

 

[B-A-C]

"Mother" Mary had other children.

Matt 13:55; "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
Mark 6:3; "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at Him.
Mark 15:40; There were also some women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome.
Mark 15:47; Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses were looking on to see where He was laid.

John 7:5; For not even His brothers were believing in Him.
John 7:6; So Jesus *said to them, "My time is not yet here, but your time is always opportune.

Gal 1:19; But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother.
Jude 1:1; Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ:

Jesus had some brothers named James, Joseph, Simon and Judas, it seems a sister named Salome as well. In "The Chosen" television series, James is called "James the less" because he is smaller than the other James.
But this likely wasn't the reason he was called "the less". It's still common in Jewish culture today ( and some other cultures ) to call someone who younger than someone else with the same name... "the less".
It has to do with age, not size.

James and Jude were apostles, as well as Jesus's brothers.
This can be confusing sometimes, as there were two Apostles named James, and two Apostles named Judas. ( Judas Iscariot, and James the brother of John "the sons of thunder" )

Now some say that Joseph had these children before he met Mary. This would be very unlikely as...

Luke 6:15; and Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon who was called the Zealot;
Luke 6:16; Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.
Acts 1:13; When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James.

James and Judas were the sons of Alphaeus and James. So, these two Apostles, who were the brothers of Jesus had different fathers from Joseph.
Joseph wasn't really Jesus's biological father, as Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit. In any case Joseph isn't really mentioned as being around in Jesus's later years.
It is possible that Joseph died and Mary re-married, it's even possible that she remarried twice. Once to Alphaeus and once to James.

... all of this to say, that Mary had no part in Jesus's divinity. She was never a god in any sense of the word, and if she was, her other children would have been divine also.

 

[Charlie24]

I don't see where the Messiah told the disciple to take care of Mary.

If you don't see it, then you just don't see it.

 

[First and the Last]

I don't see where the Messiah told the disciple to take care of Mary.

he passage where Jesus instructs His disciple to take care of His mother Mary is found in the Gospel of John. Here is the relevant scripture from the King James Version (KJV):
John 19:26-27"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home."

In this passage, Jesus, while on the cross, speaks to His mother Mary and the disciple whom He loved (commonly understood to be John). He entrusts the care of His mother to this disciple, ensuring she would be looked after following His death. This moment highlights Jesus' compassion and concern for His mother's well-being, even in His final moments.