Johann
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Greetings @Johann
The verses tell us what God has given us, and that we who believe on the Name of Jesus, may know we have eternal life and believe in Jesus Name.
But as we also know, ALL scripture is God breathed, so to be saved in the first place we must be Born Again of water (baptism) and Spirit (from above). We must have repented, we must have crucified our old self and declared our faith, with our lips and from our heart.
As for the word believe on its own, this is open to many thoughts, even the devil believes there is Jesus, he even tried to tempt him but failed.
This is why it is so important to accept ALL scripture and never focus on one set of scriptures against another. John 15 is a lovely chapter, Jesus preaches, as he does in parable form, He gives a very clear picture, we are grafted in and can be pruned out.
To believe OSAS, is to excluded what Jesus tells us in John 15.
To accept all scripture is God breathed, which it is, is to know clearly when we have repented and given our all to God through Jesus, we are grafted into the vine, we are promised salvation, but we must continue to abide in Christ, to remain in his love, to obey his commands and bear fruit, good fruit, for God from whom all blessings flow.
In His Love
Greetings @Johann
I am saying, those who refer to OSAS are incorrect and that it is dangerous to think such, even worse to preach it.
The reason I confirm my disagreement to the idea of OSAS, is clear, John 15:1-17 tells me otherwise.
We are grafted into the vine when born again from above, but as Jesus clearly states we can be pruned out of the vine. There are no half way points, we are in the vine or we are not, we have received the promise of salvation or due to OUR falling away into sin, we do not bear fruit for God do are cut out.
To reply to your question about my salvation; I am sure of my salvation, I love the Lord as much today as I did from day one of giving my life to Him, I believe in my heart I love Him more today than I did thirty years ago.
How can I be sure of my salvation? Because Jesus is my Lord and Saviour, I come to God through Him, I love the Lord more than my wife, myself, our children or anything else. I follow God’s Word, constantly searching the scriptures, yes I make errors and sin but I am forgiven. I abide in Christ and He abides in me, I try as much as I can to bear good fruit for the father through Jesus. Simply put, all of us who do these things daily have no concern for our salvation. How can we be 100% sure, his spirit reveals it to our spirit, and God has said it in His Word.
The only ones that need to be concerned are, the totally lost souls, and those who gave their life to the Lord and do not abide in Him, who do not follow and obey His commands, those whose love has grown cold, those who no longer bear good fruit.
Once the sap does not run through the branches God will prune them out. Why does the sap stop running through the branch? Because of sin, the sap in Jesus parable refers to the Righteous Holy Spirit, abiding with our spirit, but if we return to sin, we are not abiding in Christ, the fruit stops, the branch, which could be our branch if we fall away from abiding in Christ and into sin, has to be pruned out so as not to affect the who vine.
Jesus’ parables are amazing, so graphical, he gives us a picture so clear we cannot but fail to see The Truth He speaks, thank you Lord.
Shalom my friend
Jesus loves you I do too
Which immediately bring these scriptures to mind...
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
For we are His workmanship
A reason why no man should glory. If we are God's workmanship, our salvation cannot be of ourselves. His is emphatic. His workmanship are we.
Created (κτισθέντες)
See on Joh_1:3. The verb originally means to make habitable, to people. Hence to found. God is called κτίστης creator, 1Pe_4:19, and ὁ κτίσας he that created, Rom_1:25. Compare Rev_4:11. Κτίσις is used of the whole sum of created things, Mar_10:6; Rom_8:22.
Afore prepared (προητοίμασεν)
Rev, more correctly, prepared. Made ready beforehand. God prearranged a sphere of moral action for us to walk in. Not only are works the necessary outcome of faith, but the character and direction of the works are made ready by God.
That we should walk
In order that; to the end that.
Vincent.
Shalom to you and family
Johann