@Br. Bear
Here is another error as scripture exposes as only the Lord can cause the increase.
Holy Spirit
We believe the Holy Spirit to be the third person of the Trinity
whose purpose in the redemption of man is to convict of sin, regenerate the repentant believer, guide the believer into all truth, indIll all believers, and give gifts to those He wills that they may minister as Christ would to men. We believe that the manifestations of the Holy Spirit recorded in
1 Corinthians 12:1-11 will operate through present-day Christians who yield to Jesus(
Luke 11:13;
John 7:37-39,
14:16,
17,
16:7-14;
Acts 2:1-18).
That credit is not given to the Holy Spirit but to the Father by revealing His Son to them so they can believe in Him & be saved.
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee,
O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
So what is the credit of the Holy Spirit in conviction? By not indwelling unbelievers, He is testifying that way that they never had believed in Jesus Christ.
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
So The Talk Jesus's Statement of faith is wrong in more places than this one below as per the OP.
"Baptism
We believe the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance (1 Corinthians 14), is for all believers as promised by John the Baptist (
Matthew 3:11), Jesus (
Acts 1:4-8), and Peter(
Acts 2:38-41). The fulfillment of this promise was witnessed by early disciples of Christ (
Acts 2:4,
10:44-47,
19:1-6) and operates in many present-day disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ. "
I believe this statement is apostate in having it written in this way, because not every one will speak in tongues when saved and so how can that be of faith when they use tongues as a sign of receiving the Holy Ghost? It cannot.
1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
So in no wat could Paul write this above unless tongues are not to serve as a sign to believers for anything. He even stated plainly enough in the 14th chapter of that same epistle;
1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
After giving beievers the bottom line on what tongues are for and that is to speak unto the people in their native language, Paul emphasized this below.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
So there is no other baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues or by that sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation because it is not of Him but of the pagan's supernatural tongues.
Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Thus verse 13 below should defend the faith readily enuugh with the Lord's help as there can be only onr drink of the One Spirit by how we were all baptized by at our salvation when we had first believed at the calling of the gospel..
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
The staff should consider a prayerful meeting and consider changing the statements at Talk Jesus that aligns with His words rather than promote that which may very well be the reason why members are not coming any more, let alone join.
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
