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Questions About Talk Jesus's Statement of Faith

It is a strange and unusual thing for Catholics to claim the speaking of tongues. This is not a practice of Catholics, except for a strange sub group, like the new Supreme Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
She shows some bizarre characteristics and attitude.
Sad that Trump got to pick three and the three are a little off when it comes to Christianity. For instance, one picked is Barrett who is a rare Catholic "Charismatic" and Neil Gorsuch is of the denomination that believes women can be priests and also homosexuality.

Now I haven't studied this intently so excuse me if I don't have the exact beliefs of these people of earthly power correct. However, if Trump was more knowledgeable about denominations I don't think he would have picked these judges. They are still better though than the Democratic Catholics.
Trump loves money more than God and so I doubt he was led by the Spirit in any of his decision making in his picking those 3 since you cannot love money and God at the same time. It is one or the other.

I am not saying he does not have the Holy Spirit, but clearly to me, he is not led by the Spirit in those areas.

As for Catholics; there is such a thing as a Catholic Charismatic Church. Do an internet search and you will find many. Makes you wonder with all those manifestations of the "Spirit" why the Holy Spirit has not chastened the believers into leaving Catholicism? Therefore that tongues for private use being used as a sign is not of Him at all. The real God's gift of tongues will be understood by a foreigner or it will be interpreted in the assembly because it is not for private use.

Pentecost tongues a Sign of Catholicity

"This selection from a sermon of a sixth century African Church Father interprets the gift of tongues on Pentecost as a sign of the unity, catholicity and universality of the Catholic Church which is, from the day of its birth, made up of people from all nations and therefore speaks all languages." ~~~~`end of quote
 
Trump loves money more than God and so I doubt he was led by the Spirit in any of his decision making in his picking those 3 since you cannot love money and God at the same time. It is one or the other.
Trump gave up a lot of money to help this country.
You have to be careful not to bear false witness!
What you are doing is wrong.
I am not saying he does not have the Holy Spirit, but clearly to me, he is not led by the Spirit in those areas.
Some people don't understand what all the denominations teach, but Trump wants all people to be able to believe the way they choose to believe.
He likes all who claim to believe in Jesus.
Again, just because he doesn't have a lot of knowledge about all the different Christian denominations it doesn't mean he isn't trying to do his best.
He is less of a judgmental person than you seem to be to me.
As for Catholics; there is such a thing as a Catholic Charismatic Church.
I just told you there was, but it is RARE.
Do an internet search and you will find many.
I'm the one who brought it up.
Makes you wonder with all those manifestations of the "Spirit" why the Holy Spirit has not chastened the believers into leaving Catholicism?
Right! LOL
However, I have the Holy Spirit and for a little while thought I was speaking in tongues and interpreting what I was saying, anyway.
All people who claim to belong to a denomination are honoring a man's teaching in one way or another.
Even if you say to me you don't belong to any denomination, I can tell easily to what teachings from what men you still hold to.
You believe in faith alone and some other things taught by men.

When I wanted to be saved I gave up all my teachings and just did what Jesus said to do.
After I was saved I let some men talk me into speaking in tongues and they taught me how to do it.
I should have been more careful.

We have to check with the scriptures what we are taught and not let man teach us.

You still hold onto what men teach, because you wrongly believe in faith alone as is taught by men.


Therefore that tongues for private use being used as a sign is not of Him at all.
Right.
The real God's gift of tongues will be understood by a foreigner or it will be interpreted in the assembly because it is not for private use.
Right, but that gift ceased, just like the Bible says it would, right at the same time prophecies and new knowledge ceased.
 
This is from the Talk Jesus's Statement of Faith;

"Baptism
We believe the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance (1 Corinthians 14), is for all believers as promised by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11), Jesus (Acts 1:4-8), and Peter(Acts 2:38-41). The fulfillment of this promise was witnessed by early disciples of Christ (Acts 2:4, 10:44-47, 19:1-6) and operates in many present-day disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ. "

Are you saying that every one that gets baptized in the Holy Spirit, will speak in tongues?
It seems to be a common ocurrence among folks (including myself) who have received (to use Assembly of God terminology) "the baptism in the Holy Spirit". I was prayed over to receive, and NOTHING HAPPENED - until a few weeks later, when an odd "word" showed up in my mind - so I spoke it, and more odd words flowed in, and I spoke them - and I was "speaking in tongues".
Are you saying that if a believer does not speak in tongues, they do not have the Holy Spirit and so they are not saved?
Other than the "Oneness Pentecostal" Lunatic fringe, NO MAJOR Pentecostal, or Charismatic group teaches tha the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" has anything to do with SALVATION. The Holy Spirit was ministered INTO the disciples, and they were infilled by Him at John 20:22, which made them "Born Again Christians". Acts 2:4 is the record of the Holy Spirit coming UPON the disciples, who were already infilled by Him.
Should the believer worry because the Holy Spirit is not praying out loud in tongues for them?
The Holy Spirit doesn't "pray out loud in tongues" He ony gives the person the words to speak. It's up to the person to speak them. It's exactly hoe "Prophesy" works, or "Interpretation of tongues". The HOly SPirit gives you the words, and you speak them as they come, and when they stop coming - then SHUT UP!!

Go ahead and ASK HIM for the Holy Spirit to come UPON you. If you're a Born Again Christian, He's already IN you.

If you don't want it, don't ask.

PERSONALLY, the practical effect (other that being burdened to Interpret tongues now and again) was that I was propelled into about a decade of intense Bible teaching in home groups during the '70s and early '80s.
 
Trump gave up a lot of money to help this country.
You have to be careful not to bear false witness!
What you are doing is wrong.
Remember tax evasions charges by how he gives all his earnings to His children? Granted, the Democrats has run so many accusations in the news that it is hard to tell the difference between stating a fact or an accusation by strong opinions.

Tax Fraud By the Numbers; The Trump Timeline

So you are right in that I have been misled even though they do show some basis for the "accusation" that circled its way around to me in the news to say that, but any how, I repent since I should have known better that any fact in the news is hardly fact at all. My statement is overblown apparently but that is how I had received it.

Anyway....

Mark 12:14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

You will have to show how he gave up a lot of money to help his country. Never saw any of that.
 
It seems to be a common ocurrence among folks (including myself) who have received (to use Assembly of God terminology) "the baptism in the Holy Spirit". I was prayed over to receive, and NOTHING HAPPENED - until a few weeks later, when an odd "word" showed up in my mind - so I spoke it, and more odd words flowed in, and I spoke them - and I was "speaking in tongues".

Other than the "Oneness Pentecostal" Lunatic fringe, NO MAJOR Pentecostal, or Charismatic group teaches tha the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" has anything to do with SALVATION. The Holy Spirit was ministered INTO the disciples, and they were infilled by Him at John 20:22, which made them "Born Again Christians". Acts 2:4 is the record of the Holy Spirit coming UPON the disciples, who were already infilled by Him.

The Holy Spirit doesn't "pray out loud in tongues" He ony gives the person the words to speak. It's up to the person to speak them. It's exactly hoe "Prophesy" works, or "Interpretation of tongues". The HOly SPirit gives you the words, and you speak them as they come, and when they stop coming - then SHUT UP!!

Go ahead and ASK HIM for the Holy Spirit to come UPON you. If you're a Born Again Christian, He's already IN you.

If you don't want it, don't ask.

PERSONALLY, the practical effect (other that being burdened to Interpret tongues now and again) was that I was propelled into about a decade of intense Bible teaching in home groups during the '70s and early '80s.
Care to address Talk Jesus's Statement of Faith then?

"Baptism
We believe the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance (1 Corinthians 14), is for all believers as promised by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11), Jesus (Acts 1:4-8), and Peter(Acts 2:38-41). The fulfillment of this promise was witnessed by early disciples of Christ (Acts 2:4, 10:44-47, 19:1-6) and operates in many present-day disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ. "

By what is written, how can you keep the fringes out? Some of the members defends what they read as the fringes in that statement of faith.
 
There is a Pentecostal/Charismatic theme to these statements of faith. Its origin is Catholic because they teach Catholics to go to the Spirit in asking for the gifts and at one time, the CC had referenced one of the "early church fathers" ---> being Catholic origin <------ stated that because they speak in tongues, it served as a sign that they were keeping the doctrines within the CC and yet tongues were not to serve as a sign nor proof for anything towards the believers..

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. <---- that is Paul about to give the bottom line for what God's gift of tongues are for.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. <----- that is what the real God's gift of tongues are for; nothing else.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

I think Christian forums should not have statements of faith because by the many words posted, error can be exposed and yet be refused by the forum staff to correct it regardless of the scripture.

I understand the necessity for the forums to have one to set a parameter that all professing Christians can adhere to, but denominational boundaries can become limiting when inviting Christians in.
Hi Thanks

I would offer Catholicism received that kind spirit passed down from the atheist Jewish fathers kings and queens .A hierarchy of venerable men that lord it over the faith of the non-venerable pew warmers or show watchers . what I would call one of the "think not" doctrines

Mankind regenerated by a faith that comes by looking at the temporal things seen usurping the unseen power of God, just as if they were the power . . .the unseen things of God .Looking to the temporal and not the eternal new heavens and earth .

The word Abraham below could be replaced with Peter same father of lies .

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Same lively stones that make up the spiritual house the bride, the whole church

They because of the surrounding pagan became jealous and demanded of Samuel a King .God rep[lied to give them over to do what they should not of (the abomination of desolation) .God declared to the prophet Samael its not you seen that they refuse to worship as King of kings and Lord of lord but me unseen .

They also worship the same queen of heaven .Like his and hers towels That oral tradition began a a women's liberation demonstration .They had full approval of the men .(queen after the order of Jezebel ). when confronted with sola scriptura they denied its power to reveal the will of a unseen God . They rather declared we will do what our own mouth desires as oral traditons of men

The 1st century reformation(Hebrews 9) has been over for over two thousand years restoring the order of Judges. . apostles sent with the word of God reigning with God from heaven . Same authority of God in the 15th century reformation. Carbon copy


Jerimiah 44:15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
 
Remember tax evasions charges by how he gives all his earnings to His children? Granted, the Democrats has run so many accusations in the news that it is hard to tell the difference between stating a fact or an accusation by strong opinions.
He hasn't done anything wrong, or it would be on the news. The lying left accuse him of everything and can't get him on anything.
So you are right in that I have been misled even though they do show some basis for the "accusation" that circled its way around to me in the news to say that, but any how, I repent since I should have known better that any fact in the news is hardly fact at all. My statement is overblown apparently but that is how I had received it.
Wow, I am glad that you see that now and repent of it.
Anyway....

Mark 12:14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

You will have to show how he gave up a lot of money to help his country. Never saw any of that.
He didn't take pay for being the President, and he lost a lot of money hiring lawyers to fend off the lying left and their many false lawsuits.
 
Care to address Talk Jesus's Statement of Faith then?

"Baptism
We believe the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance (1 Corinthians 14), is for all believers as promised by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11), Jesus (Acts 1:4-8), and Peter(Acts 2:38-41). The fulfillment of this promise was witnessed by early disciples of Christ (Acts 2:4, 10:44-47, 19:1-6) and operates in many present-day disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ. "

By what is written, how can you keep the fringes out? Some of the members defends what they read as the fringes in that statement of faith.
Why would I even bother to try??? The Visible church has always been, and will always be a MIXTURE of "Wheat" (genuine Born Again Christians), and "Tares" (religious, but dead unregerates). Everything in their statement is fine. If you have no idea what it means, then ask HIM for the gifting.
 
Why would I even bother to try??? The Visible church has always been, and will always be a MIXTURE of "Wheat" (genuine Born Again Christians), and "Tares" (religious, but dead unregerates). Everything in their statement is fine. If you have no idea what it means, then ask HIM for the gifting.
You are missing the point. People speaking in tongues were a sign to the Jews but not everyone spoke in tongues.
 
You are missing the point. People speaking in tongues were a sign to the Jews but not everyone spoke in tongues.
You don't even know what the "Point" is. Tongues were present in the gentile church also, 1 cor 14 wasn't to the "Jews". And "Tongues" made a powerful return in the church in 1900, and in the mid '60s.
 
Hi Thanks

I would offer Catholicism received that kind spirit passed down from the atheist Jewish fathers kings and queens .A hierarchy of venerable men that lord it over the faith of the non-venerable pew warmers or show watchers . what I would call one of the "think not" doctrines

Mankind regenerated by a faith that comes by looking at the temporal things seen usurping the unseen power of God, just as if they were the power . . .the unseen things of God .Looking to the temporal and not the eternal new heavens and earth .

The word Abraham below could be replaced with Peter same father of lies .

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Same lively stones that make up the spiritual house the bride, the whole church

They because of the surrounding pagan became jealous and demanded of Samuel a King .God rep[lied to give them over to do what they should not of (the abomination of desolation) .God declared to the prophet Samael its not you seen that they refuse to worship as King of kings and Lord of lord but me unseen .

They also worship the same queen of heaven .Like his and hers towels That oral tradition began a a women's liberation demonstration .They had full approval of the men .(queen after the order of Jezebel ). when confronted with sola scriptura they denied its power to reveal the will of a unseen God . They rather declared we will do what our own mouth desires as oral traditons of men

The 1st century reformation(Hebrews 9) has been over for over two thousand years restoring the order of Judges. . apostles sent with the word of God reigning with God from heaven . Same authority of God in the 15th century reformation. Carbon copy


Jerimiah 44:15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
So in other words Revelation 2:18-25 applies to the Catholic Church as mystery Babylon for how Pentecostals/Charismatics are committing the same spiritual fornication and can be found in all denominations now?

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

This is why believers are not to believe every spirit but test them because the real God's gift of tongues are for speaking unto the people in their native foreign language and not in the reverse with no interpretation at all which is the epitome of confusion that God is not the author of, and also for why their conscience is seared as they worship in spirit & in truth in hypocrisy when seeking to receive the Holy Spirit "again" apart from salvation even though some may acknowledge that He is already in them since salvation since having believed the gospel.

How can one receives that Whom was already received? It is a work that denies Him and there is necessity to repent or else be left behind to be resurrected later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Some warnings from Paul should be heeded and applied rather than ignored.
 
He hasn't done anything wrong, or it would be on the news. The lying left accuse him of everything and can't get him on anything.
The problem is when the right start mouthing it too like Fox News and Mike Huckabee and the local news. So the news is getting to be a gossip rag now to such a point, you cannot prove you are right in what you say.
Wow, I am glad that you see that now and repent of it.
Only because it seems we can not know the truth even though that link to that web site did list the cause for those rumors to get overblown but the charge of loving money more than God still sticks to Trump I dare say.
He didn't take pay for being the President, and he lost a lot of money hiring lawyers to fend off the lying left and their many false lawsuits.
I see no link to all the charities he supposedly had done, brother. Where is the source that backs up your claim?
 
Why would I even bother to try??? The Visible church has always been, and will always be a MIXTURE of "Wheat" (genuine Born Again Christians), and "Tares" (religious, but dead unregerates). Everything in their statement is fine. If you have no idea what it means, then ask HIM for the gifting.
You still have to apply His commandment to withdraw to admonish those that have gone astray if the church will not excommunicate in leading them to repentance.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Church is to excommunicate any believer that does not repent after so many corrections and rebuke. They are not to ignore them and hope they get the message from the pulpit which Catholic & most churches do today.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

You would call a Catholic to leave the church, right?

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I know this forum is not a church perse but more of an outreach ministry and so I do not expect any kind of excommunication in that regard; banning for other reasons, yeah, but not for leading someone to repentance Biblically before allowing back in.
 
The problem is when the right start mouthing it too like Fox News and Mike Huckabee and the local news. So the news is getting to be a gossip rag now to such a point, you cannot prove you are right in what you say.

Only because it seems we can not know the truth even though that link to that web site did list the cause for those rumors to get overblown but the charge of loving money more than God still sticks to Trump I dare say.

I see no link to all the charities he supposedly had done, brother. Where is the source that backs up your claim?
Trump was a good President, probably the best ever. If you can't see that, then your eyes might be bad. It is not a sin to be rich.
 
So in other words Revelation 2:18-25 applies to the Catholic Church as mystery Babylon for how Pentecostals/Charismatics are committing the same spiritual fornication and can be found in all denominations now?

It can be found in any hierarchy government of supposed "venerable men" that lord it over the faith understanding of the non- venerable pew warmers . .Catholics do it boldly .

The religion of wondering ,amazement, supposed miracles that appeal to the lust of flesh lust of the eye the false pride tools. . .and not receiving the end of faith , God working in us, the salvation of ones new born again soul. His labor of love from the first hearing of his understanding working in those born again , our first love the power to believe God not seen

The bible informs us there must be oral traditons among us called heresies seeing his kingdom does not come by observing what the eyes see,. But does warn of of damnable heresies or oral traditons of men as those that do despite to the "fulness of Grace" the full price of redemption .

They teach only the queen of heaven they named Mary passed down from the atheist Jewish fathers under another name. The results of woman from a women lib gathering .(his and hers gods. (Those denying the word of God so they from thier own mouth could keep the oral tradition. . "I heard it through the fathers grapevine" call apostolic succession a legion of father as gods in the likeness of men . (patron saints)

Again they must teach the queen alone received the fulness of grace while the rest of the planet a unknow remnant of grace empowering them even after they take their last breath of oxygen to wonder, wonder wonder in Limbo or purgatory which no end of faith in sight. the wondering doctrine of a hierarchy of mankind .earthly inspired.

No such thing as a sign to wonder after gift (Charismatic) Spiritual gift the eternal not seen, yes.

It is why when talking with Nicodenmus after revealing the greatest possible miracle a man must be born again from above . He told Nicodenmus to marvel not .

Wondering, marveling, being amazed is not believing( exercising the faith) that comes from hearing God unseen

They simply make Jesus into a circus seal .

To the law and its testimony if they speak not then there is no gospel light to their feet (Isaiah 8:20 )

The law . . .John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

The testimony of the law at work John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
 
Trump was a good President, probably the best ever. If you can't see that, then your eyes might be bad. It is not a sin to be rich.
Never said that it was a sin to be rich. Bible says it is a sin to love money more than God. The danger is desiring to be rich can bring all sorts of evil.

1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

I noticed that you still did not cite a source for all of Trump's supposed chaeity. Were you giving a false witness?
 
Never said that it was a sin to be rich. Bible says it is a sin to love money more than God. The danger is desiring to be rich can bring all sorts of evil.
So you are falsely judging another man.
I noticed that you still did not cite a source for all of Trump's supposed chaeity. Were you giving a false witness?
Are you kidding? Why wouldn't he give to charities? It is a right off.
Trump didn't take pay for being a President.
He did more for this country than anyone, and I am not investigating him so why would I look into the charites?
 
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