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You don't know Jesus is the Lamb of God?
Yes, I know you believe this, as you keep saying it.
But I asked where JESUS ever said this.

I see you're not inclined to answer.

Jesus ate his Last Supper with his Apostles, and many call that the Passover supper. It is where he made the covenant.
So you don't think your "Last Supper" was the Passover? Interesting:
(Matthew 26:18 KJV) And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover (πάσχα) at thy house with my disciples.​
(Mark 14:12 KJV) And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover (πάσχα), his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover (πάσχα)?​

(Luke 22:13-15 KJV) And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover (πάσχα). And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover (πάσχα) with you before I suffer:​
(John 19:14 KJV) And it was the preparation of the passover(πάσχα), and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!​

As mentioned in a previous post, I had asked that silly answers like "the Passover isn't the Passover" be avoided. The term "Last Supper" is not in scripture. But the word πάσχα - pascha (Passover) is - in all four Gospel accounts as listed above, twenty six (26) times. So I think it's quite evident that the correct word is "Passover" and not "Last Supper."

G'day,
Rhema
(What I believe is irrelevant. What Jesus said? That is of utmost importance.)
 
Isaiah 53:6 We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
In this verse, we are the sheep, not Jesus. Is not Jesus the shepherd?

Isaiah 53:7 says, "He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth."
In this verse, Passover (πάσχα) is not present. I am reluctant to add in words.

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
In this verse, there is nothing about any "lamb" or "Passover".

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer. And when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
This verse is typically mistranslated by Christians.

(Isaiah 53:10 YLT) And Jehovah hath delighted to bruise him, He hath made him sick, If his soul doth make an offering for guilt, He seeth seed—he prolongeth days, And the pleasure of Jehovah in his hand doth prosper.​
(Isaiah 53:10 Brenton) The Lord also is pleased to purge him from his stroke. If ye can give an offering for sin, your soul shall see a long-lived seed:​

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Yes, that's the first of only TWO passages that ever mention "Lamb of God" (see John 1:36) but John changed the day on which Jesus was crucified to correspond with the day when the Passover lambs were slaughtered. Matthew, Mark, and Luke, disagree, as they do not record this as a teaching of John tB. My post was to inquire why John did this. (I have my suspicions.)

John 21:15 [ Jesus Reinstates Peter ] When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
Again, Jesus is not the Lamb, here, his disciples are. In other words, this verse is not applicable. You've posted a lot of verses that are not applicable.

THE SHADOW
I don't believe in shadows. They are composed of darkness.

Kindly,
Rhema
 
The Jews' religious calendar was running late that year.
Well so much for avoiding silly answers.

You wish me to believe that all of a sudden, after hundreds of years, the Jews forgot how to count?

I must respectfully (and strongly) disagree.

Rhema
 
You wish me to believe that all of a sudden, after hundreds of years, the Jews
forgot how to count?
The mistake was either theirs or God's because Jesus isn't responsible for
selecting the night to share a Passover lamb with his men.

John 4:34 . . My food, said Jesus, is to do the will of him who sent me

John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will
of Him who sent me

John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I
do always those things that please Him.

John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

John 14:31 . . I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

Phil 2:7-8 . . He made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a
man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death
_
 
Yes, I know you believe this, as you keep saying it.
But I asked where JESUS ever said this.

I see you're not inclined to answer.


So you don't think your "Last Supper" was the Passover? Interesting:
(Matthew 26:18 KJV) And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover (πάσχα) at thy house with my disciples.​
(Mark 14:12 KJV) And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover (πάσχα), his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover (πάσχα)?​

(Luke 22:13-15 KJV) And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover (πάσχα). And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover (πάσχα) with you before I suffer:​
(John 19:14 KJV) And it was the preparation of the passover(πάσχα), and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!​

As mentioned in a previous post, I had asked that silly answers like "the Passover isn't the Passover" be avoided. The term "Last Supper" is not in scripture. But the word πάσχα - pascha (Passover) is - in all four Gospel accounts as listed above, twenty six (26) times. So I think it's quite evident that the correct word is "Passover" and not "Last Supper."

G'day,
Rhema
(What I believe is irrelevant. What Jesus said? That is of utmost importance.)
I remember years ago debating you on another site.
I explained to you that Abraham sacrificing Isaac was a glimpse of the sacrifice God would do for us with Jesus dying on the cross.

You went against me and said but a ram was put in Isaac's place, and you said, a ram is not a sheep.

I didn't have the chance to correct you back then, and laugh at what you said.

LOL, LOL, LOL

Glad to finally get to debate you again and laugh at you for what you said.
 
In this verse, we are the sheep, not Jesus. Is not Jesus the shepherd?


In this verse, Passover (πάσχα) is not present. I am reluctant to add in words.


In this verse, there is nothing about any "lamb" or "Passover".


This verse is typically mistranslated by Christians.

(Isaiah 53:10 YLT) And Jehovah hath delighted to bruise him, He hath made him sick, If his soul doth make an offering for guilt, He seeth seed—he prolongeth days, And the pleasure of Jehovah in his hand doth prosper.​
(Isaiah 53:10 Brenton) The Lord also is pleased to purge him from his stroke. If ye can give an offering for sin, your soul shall see a long-lived seed:​


Yes, that's the first of only TWO passages that ever mention "Lamb of God" (see John 1:36) but John changed the day on which Jesus was crucified to correspond with the day when the Passover lambs were slaughtered. Matthew, Mark, and Luke, disagree, as they do not record this as a teaching of John tB. My post was to inquire why John did this. (I have my suspicions.)


Again, Jesus is not the Lamb, here, his disciples are. In other words, this verse is not applicable. You've posted a lot of verses that are not applicable.


I don't believe in shadows. They are composed of darkness.

Kindly,
Rhema
You speak a lot of gibberish.
The whole Bible is about Jesus.
The special days were a shadow of Jesus.
All the names of the prophets were about Jesus.
The bronze snake, the rock, the crossing the Jordan, etc, all about Jesus.
 
The mistake was either theirs or God's because Jesus isn't responsible for
selecting the night to share a Passover lamb with his men.
That's not really the issue at hand. Matthew, Mark, and Luke record Jesus as having eaten the Passover with his disciples the night before his arrest. John has Jesus dead by then. On occasion I do hear from others that there were two different Seders, on two different days, but there's no evidence for this (not even in the Gospel according to John) and no evidence has ever been provided to me... just silly excuses.

But thanks,
Rhema
 
I hadn't asked about "preparing the unleavened bread." I asked whether Jesus ate the Passover meal, an observance commanded by God to be on a specific day, with his disciples.

You replied yes.

I provided the scripture verses from the Gospel According to John which testify that Jesus was crucified and dead before the Seder.

Thank you,
Rhema
(Your entire post was avoidance bluster. I find that troubling.)
You had said & I quote: "But how could Jesus eat the Seder (Passover meal) with his disciples when, according to the account in John, Jesus had been arrested, crucified, and dead beforehand all on the day of preparation - before the evening time when the Passover meal is eaten?

If you were assigning the day of preparation as being for the Passover meal, that is the mistake because it is on the Passover day that is the day of preparation for the coming 1st day of the 7 days of the unleavened bread on the 15th when no work is allowed. The day of preparation is getting everything ready for the annual sabbath which is the 1st day of the 7 days of unleavened bread and also 6th day is also a day of preparation for other annual sabbath on the 7th day of the 7 days of unleavened bread..
 
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it is on the Passover day
The day starts at sundown. Please do the math.

(Then again....)

it is on the Passover day that is the day of preparation
The Passover meal (the Seder) is not on the "day" of preparation for the Passover meal. The meal (including the preparation of the dwelling place) was prepared during the daylight of the Day of Preparation, (that's why it is called the Day of Preparation). The meal started at sundown, the next "day" on Passover. Why do Gentiles always mess this up?

The day of preparation is getting everything ready ...
Yes, and this includes getting everything ready for the Seder. Matthew, Mark, and Luke clearly testify that Jesus ate the Seder meal. John had Jesus arrested, crucified, dead and buried before the Seder meal.

(John 18:28 KJV) Then led they (the Jewish Temple guards) Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment (of the Romans): and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.​

... The Passover (the Seder meal) had not yet been eaten, and yet according to this account, Jesus was already delivered up to Pilate.

(John 19:14 KJV) And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he (Pilate) saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!​

... Again, this was the day of preparation for the Passover. The Seder had not yet been eaten. Yet since Jesus was under arrest, how could he have eaten the Passover (the Seder) with his disciples? There is a discrepancy in the accounts. (I'm fairly sure I know why, but the discrepancy is still there.)

(John 19:18 KJV) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.​

... Jesus in now on the cross.

(John 19:30 KJV) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.​

... Jesus is now dead.

(John 19:31 KJV) The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.​

... The bodies were to be removed BEFORE the Passover meal eaten at sundown, when the preparation ended.

(John 19:42 KJV) There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.​

But thanks anyway,
Rhema
 
Jesus shared a Passover lamb with his men before he was crucified.

Luke 22:14-15) . .Then, at the proper time, Jesus and the twelve apostles sat
down together at the table. Jesus said: I have looked forward to this hour with
deep longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering
begins.

The Jews ate their lambs after he was crucified.

Matt 26:3 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the
palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest
Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the Feast-- they said --or there
may be a riot among the people.

John 18:28 . . Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and
it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should
be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.

John 19:14 . . And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth
hour: and Pilate said to the Jews, Behold your King!

FAQ: Why did Jesus eat his lamb before the Jews?


RESPONSE: Because his Father told him to.

John 4:34 . . My food, said Jesus, is to do the will of Him who sent me

John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but
the will of Him who sent me

John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me
alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

John 14:31 . . I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

Phil 2:7-8 . . He made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the
form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in
fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death
_
 
One can read about extra Biblical evidence of the unexplained darkness at Jesus's crucifixion at this link; Darkness at the crucifixion: metaphor or real history?

Quoting from link ~~~~"Phlegon was a Greek historian who wrote an extensive chronology aroundAD137: "In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e.,AD33) there was ‘the greatest eclipse of the sun’ and that ‘it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.’7

Phlegon provides powerful confirmation of the Gospel accounts. He identifies the year and the exact time of day. In addition, he writes of an earthquake accompanying the darkness, which is specifically recorded in Matthew’s Gospel (Matthew 27:51). However, like Thallus, he fallaciously attempts to interpret the darkness as a direct effect of a solar eclipse.

Africanus composed a five volume History of the World aroundAD221. He was also a pagan convert to Christianity. His historical scholarship so impressed Roman Emperor Alexander Severus that Africanus was entrusted with the official responsibility of building the Emperor’s library at the Pantheon in Rome. Africanus writes:

"On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun? Let opinion pass however; let it carry the majority with it; and let this portent of the world be deemed an eclipse of the sun, like others a portent only to the eye. Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth—manifestly that one of which we speak. But what has an eclipse in common with an earthquake, the rending rocks, and the resurrection of the dead, and so great a perturbation throughout the universe? Surely no such event as this is recorded for a long period.8 "

Africanus rightly argues that a solar eclipse could not have occurred during the lunar cycle of the Passover, as this diagram shows. He also questions the link between an eclipse, an earthquake, and the miraculous events recorded in Matthew’s Gospel. Eclipses do not set off earthquakes and bodily resurrections. We also know that eclipses only last for several minutes, not three hours. For Africanus, naturalistic explanations for the darkness at the crucifixion were grossly insufficient, as he showed by applying real science. ~~~~~End of quote from link

Looks to me that when our Creator took our sins upon Himself on the cross in experiencing that separation from the Father, it was also seen in His creation by that unexplained darkness.

Jesus suffered much as God Our Redeemer out of love for us in giving Himself as a ransom for many.

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

May we see the love of God for us in that He is willing to take us all the way Home as the Good Shepherd He is in helping us to abide in His words in following Him as His disciples in loving others as ourselves by the same grace of God we are saved by... by faith in Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I have heard accounts of the darkness in the area during the time of Jesus death before

God does not leave himself without witness :-)
 
Jesus shared a Passover lamb with his men before he was crucified.
Yes. Yes he did.

Jesus shared a Passover Lamb with his disciples at Passover, on Passover, as is recorded in Matthew, Mark and Luke. But "John" does not say this. I'm sorry, but I think your order of events is somewhat skewed. There is nothing in John to indicate that the "Last Supper" had anything to do with Passover. There is no bread, there is no wine, there is no cup. There is no mention about Passover or anything to do with a Preparation for this meal. Only this "foot washing" ritual that is not in the other three gospels. Furthermore, the supper in John 13:2 is before the Passover - "Now before the feast of the passover" (John 13:1) - with "supper being ended" in the very next verse (John 13:2).

And I doubt the Messiah would have eaten the Passover on the wrong day. And the claim that "the Jews got it wrong," is just that - an unfounded claim. SOMETHING would have been mentioned by the followers or disciples or apostles of Jesus if their Passover was different in any way. And the idea, brought up by some, that the Jews could just eat a Seder meal on whatever day of the Passover they wanted is... also unfounded. Else, present me the evidence.

The Jews ate their lambs after he was crucified.

Matt 26:3 . .

(Mat. 26:5 GRK) μη (NOT) εν (IN) τη (THE) εορτη (FESTIVAL).​

But that doesn't say "Before the Festival" either. And if it was before the Festival, that would have confused all the people who later read Matthew, Mark, and Luke where it is written that Jesus ate the Passover meal - Period. (One eats Passover... on Passover.) And I would suggest that if Jesus had been arrested before the Festival, there would have been that uproar, as the people had time on their hands. Instead, their attention was focused on the Preparation, and then sleep - after digesting the "big meal" before a week of only eating "Matzoh."

LINK to Liddell Scott for εορτη:
A. feast, festival, holiday,
4. assembled multitude at a festival,

Jesus wasn't arrested before the feast. Jesus was arrested well after everyone was done eating, in the middle of the night. There is nothing in any of the four Gospels to suggest that the Jews had the wrong day, or that there were two Passover meals, or that there were two different days of preparation for the Seder. Other than the mention that Jesus ate the Passover, there is nothing in Matthew Mark or Luke to indicate it was a different day. Indeed, Luke said Jesus was fine on the day when the "Passover must be killed."

(Luke 22:7-11 KJV) Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?​

And this passage is before the verse you quoted.

(Luke 22:13-14 KJV) And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.​

The phrase "when the hour was come" doesn't imply a "different" hour than that which was observed as the Passover dinner time by everyone else. They made ready the Passover AND ...

και (AND) οτε (AT WHICH - or WHEN) εγενετο (COMES) η (THE) ωρα (HOUR) ανεπεσεν (HE RECLINES - lies down to eat) και (AND) οι (THE) | δωδεκα (TWELVE) | αποστολοι (APOSTLES) συν (WITH) αυτω (HIM)​

The meal may have been prepared, all may have been ready, but they still all had to wait for the "hour" (Sundown) to come.

Now with regards to your quotes from John. I quite understand what "John" says. John records the crucifixion as occuring on a different day than that found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke. According to John, Jesus was killed before the Jews ate the Passover. I applaud your effort to try and "synchronize" this contradiction, but your argument is just not convincing.

Thanks,
Rhema
 
Looking through this, there seems to be two main ways to resolve the question. Matthew, Mark and Luke record Jesus' passover meal with the disciples in some detail, while according to John (john 19:31) Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation.

Either Jesus celebrated the passover early, or there is an historical discrepancy between the gospels.
 
The day starts at sundown. Please do the math.

(Then again....)


The Passover meal (the Seder) is not on the "day" of preparation for the Passover meal. The meal (including the preparation of the dwelling place) was prepared during the daylight of the Day of Preparation, (that's why it is called the Day of Preparation). The meal started at sundown, the next "day" on Passover. Why do Gentiles always mess this up?


Yes, and this includes getting everything ready for the Seder. Matthew, Mark, and Luke clearly testify that Jesus ate the Seder meal. John had Jesus arrested, crucified, dead and buried before the Seder meal.

(John 18:28 KJV) Then led they (the Jewish Temple guards) Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment (of the Romans): and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.​

... The Passover (the Seder meal) had not yet been eaten, and yet according to this account, Jesus was already delivered up to Pilate.

(John 19:14 KJV) And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he (Pilate) saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!​

... Again, this was the day of preparation for the Passover. The Seder had not yet been eaten. Yet since Jesus was under arrest, how could he have eaten the Passover (the Seder) with his disciples? There is a discrepancy in the accounts. (I'm fairly sure I know why, but the discrepancy is still there.)

(John 19:18 KJV) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.​

... Jesus in now on the cross.

(John 19:30 KJV) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.​

... Jesus is now dead.

(John 19:31 KJV) The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.​

... The bodies were to be removed BEFORE the Passover meal eaten at sundown, when the preparation ended.

(John 19:42 KJV) There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.​

But thanks anyway,
Rhema
It was Tyndale that coined the English word Passover for the O.T. & Easter for the N.T. from the Hebrew/Greek word "pashca" in his translated English Bible. Usually, pascha has been left untranslated in the English language before that.

That said, "pascha" has been representing the Passover Day the 14th, the Passover Lamb, as well as the 7 days of the unleavened bread. Luther in His German translated Bible did go to the trouble of differentiating 'pascha" in the N.T. as "esterlambe" for the pascha sacrifice while applying "ester" for the pascha event as well for the 7 days of the unleavened bread

Anyway, this is why Tyndale had it as Easter in Acts 12:4 as well as the rest of the N.T. but for some strange reason, Easter remained only in Acts 12:4 for the KJV and passover for the rest of what Tyndale had as Easter in his N.T.

In context;

Acts 12:1Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. 2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) 4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. KJV

Now while modern Bibles has Easter in the KJV as Passover, which is what was translated from pascha originally, note how this was during the days of the unleavened bread as following the actual day of the Passover the 14th. That is proof that pascha as Passover can also refer to the event of the 7 days of the unleavened bread.

So when you read the "preparation of the Passover" in John 19:14, do read that as preparation of the pascha for why it is not referring to the actual day of the Passover the 14th but for the annual sabbath day of the 1st day of the 7 days of unleavened bread when they are not allowed to work on for why preparation had to be made ahead of time just as it was to be done for the 7th day of the 7 days of the unleavened bread on the 6th day of the unleavened bread..

Here are references to the lamb, the Passover sacrifice they were to "prepare" to eat which is considered a work in God's eyes on that day and so not a sabbath.

Matthew 26:17Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? <--- keep in mind that they also eat the unleavened bread on the Passover day of the 14th.

Mark 14:12
And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? 13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. 14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15 And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.

Luke 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. 8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. 9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?

14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. 15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

Now read the verse in John.

John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.

So preparing the Lamb sacrifice to eat that 14th day is not the annual sabbath of the 1st day of the 7 days of unleavened bread for it is then, they are not allowed to work. Preparation for that pascha on the 15th which is the 1st day of the 7 days of unleavened bread, is on the 14th Passover day.

In respect to that 1st day of the unleavened bread, they are not allowed to be defiled since having eaten the lamb on the 14th day that day which is the whole point of death passing them over in Egypt by the blood of the lamb as not being defiled. They did not wish to defile themselves by entering the judgment hall before beginning the 1st day of the unleavened bread so they can eat the unleavened bread.
 
I have heard accounts of the darkness in the area during the time of Jesus death before

God does not leave himself without witness :)
From what I understand, the darkness was over all the world.

Darkness at the crucifixion: metaphor or real history?

Quoting from link ~~~~"Phlegon was a Greek historian who wrote an extensive chronology aroundAD137: "In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e.,AD33) there was ‘the greatest eclipse of the sun’ and that ‘it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.’7

Phlegon provides powerful confirmation of the Gospel accounts. He identifies the year and the exact time of day. In addition, he writes of an earthquake accompanying the darkness ~~ end of quote.

It makes sense as the Lord would have mercy on those ships at seas that use the stars for navigation for why the darkness was over all the world like that.

And as dramatic as that witness is, so was His resurrection, albeit, the empty tomb was hardly witnessed by the world but the devout Jews from all nations under the heavens were there at Pentecost to carry the Good News everywhere else.
 
This is what we know, and that is the meal Jesus ate with his apostles is the Last Supper, and it was where he spoke the New Covenant.

The day of Unleavened Bread is the Preparation Day of the Passover.


That is the day Jesus is eating his last supper.

Matthew 26:26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

30And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.



After Jesus was arrested that same night, he was crucified that day, it was the day of preparation.
And then the next day following the DAY OF PREPARATION...

Matthew 27:62Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first. 65Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can. 66So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
 
your argument is just not convincing.
Fortunately I need not be convincing as my survival doesn't depend upon quotas,
nor upon selling products like Kirby vacuum sweepers and/or OxyClean Laundry
and Home Sanitizer. I only need to tell the truth to the best of my ability.

2Cor 2:17 . .We are not like those hucksters-- and there are many of them --who
preach just to make money. We preach God's message with sincerity and with
Christ's authority. And we know that the God who sent us is watching us.
_
 
Fortunately I need not be convincing as my survival doesn't depend upon quotas,
nor upon selling products like Kirby vacuum sweepers and/or OxyClean Laundry
and Home Sanitizer. I only need to tell the truth to the best of my ability.

2Cor 2:17 . .We are not like those hucksters-- and there are many of them --who
preach just to make money. We preach God's message with sincerity and with
Christ's authority. And we know that the God who sent us is watching us.
_
Fortunately, it is not on us nor our ability that enables us to minister to one another just as it is not on us nor our ability to cause the increase nor to convince any one.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Corinthians 4:1Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
From what I understand, the darkness was over all the world.

Darkness at the crucifixion: metaphor or real history?

Quoting from link ~~~~"Phlegon was a Greek historian who wrote an extensive chronology aroundAD137: "In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e.,AD33) there was ‘the greatest eclipse of the sun’ and that ‘it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.’7

Phlegon provides powerful confirmation of the Gospel accounts. He identifies the year and the exact time of day. In addition, he writes of an earthquake accompanying the darkness ~~ end of quote.

It makes sense as the Lord would have mercy on those ships at seas that use the stars for navigation for why the darkness was over all the world like that.

And as dramatic as that witness is, so was His resurrection, albeit, the empty tomb was hardly witnessed by the world but the devout Jews from all nations under the heavens were there at Pentecost to carry the Good News everywhere else.
That adds a new twist to it..and it makes sense
 
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