Should we as born-again Christians expose and name heretics

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I have heard that Speaking in tongues is also not in the bible, but some people choose to interpret it as biblical. It sounds as though this is all based on personal interpretation?
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1 Corinthians 13:1
1 Corinthians 14:2
Acts 2:4
Here are the different manifestations of tongues in the Bible
Going back to the previous topic, we can not say that all the denominations follow fully the whole Bible, but my thought is that less they follow it, harder it gets for people to know the truth.
We need to have an understanding and look for a better possible denomination to find, where we can get closer to the truth.

 

[Sue D.]

There are guidelines in Bible for Lots of things. Speaking in tongues is one that we Do have guidelines For.

And there is also 1 Corinthians 14: 26 - 30. Two or three at the most and then only with an interpreter. If there is no interpreter, the person is to be quiet in church and let him speak to himself and to God.

There Is a prayer language, also. But I've never been in churches that have that or known anyone who has a prayer language.

 

[Reba1]

There are guidelines in Bible for Lots of things. Speaking in tongues is one that we Do have guidelines For.

And there is also 1 Corinthians 14: 26 - 30. Two or three at the most and then only with an interpreter. If there is no interpreter, the person is to be quiet in church and let him speak to himself and to God.

There Is a prayer language, also. But I've never been in churches that have that or known anyone who has a prayer language.

After hearing the phrase all my life boy was i surprised when i could not find "prayer language' in Scripture .

 

[Sue D.]

My concern has been about pastors who generate emotionalism in their congregation. I've been in churches where the Holy Spirit has been working in hearts and people do accept Christ and also in churches where the pastor is 'working' the congregation. There is a very real difference.

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

Couldn't this be said of any Christian sect against any other Christian sect?



Id have to agree.



If you ask them if they are worshipping and praying to the idol or the figure behind the painting/idol, I dont think you will get many Catholics who will say that they are worshipping or praying to the Painting itself.



I have heard that Speaking in tongues is also not in the bible, but some people choose to interpret it as biblical. It sounds as though this is all based on personal interpretation?

1 Corinthians 13:1
1 Corinthians 14:2
Acts 2:4
Verses on tongues.

 

[Sue D.]

After hearing the phrase all my life boy was i surprised when i could not find "prayer language' in Scripture .

The 'prayer language' is not like the Lord's Prayer -- there was a couple in a church I'd gone to a long time ago. During a Bible study time at church -- the husband shared that at home he and his wife have a special prayer language -- just the two of them and it was wonderful for them. But that they would never do that in church. I'm thinking that it's Paul speaking in the 1 Corinthians passage -- and maybe it's simply speaking in tongues in your own home.

 

[Reba1]

The 'prayer language' is not like the Lord's Prayer -- there was a couple in a church I'd gone to a long time ago. During a Bible study time at church -- the husband shared that at home he and his wife have a special prayer language -- just the two of them and it was wonderful for them. But that they would never do that in church. I'm thinking that it's Paul speaking in the 1 Corinthians passage -- and maybe it's simply speaking in tongues in your own home.

Is the phrase " prayer language " found in Scripture?

 

[Sue D.]

@Reba1 -- just googled it. It's more in the Pentecostal / Charismatic group of churches. But that particular phrase is not found in Scripture. There Is a lot said about tongues. 1 Corinthians 13 -- love is the most important ingredient / component.

Scripture Does say that it's better to speak in a known language -- so that a person is aware of what is being said.

There was a case where a missionary was in a church visiting. There was a person speaking in tongues -- the missionary recognized the language and the person ' speaking' was actually using curse words.

There Are those who are susceptable To emotionalism -- during a church service -- they will make a decision in the heat of emotion and not really mean it. Once the person is calm again -- they didn't really mean 'it'.

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I think that speaking the tongues are not necessary the only evidence for a person having the Holy Spirit, but the fruits are. People will be recognised by their fruits, not by words only, but I think as well that tongues still exist as a gift from the Holy Spirit and the Bible speaks about it. course many people imitate and try to push this gift, because maybe feel less spiritual if they don't have it, but we need to know that it is a GIFT from God. We can desire it of course, but one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. 1 Corinthians 12:11 If He doesn't give it to us we can't have it. We need to know that obviously there is always a room to desire the gifts. " Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak TONGUES? Do all interpret? " 1Corinthians 12:29,30 We just need to submit to God regarding the gifts or ministries. He is the Potter. Often mistake is that people want to choose, they want to become. And is true that few times we are desiring the highest and most important one - the love.

 

[Reba1]

@Reba1 -- just googled it. It's more in the Pentecostal / Charismatic group of churches. But that particular phrase is not found in Scripture. There Is a lot said about tongues. 1 Corinthians 13 -- love is the most important ingredient / component.

Scripture Does say that it's better to speak in a known language -- so that a person is aware of what is being said.

There was a case where a missionary was in a church visiting. There was a person speaking in tongues -- the missionary recognized the language and the person ' speaking' was actually using curse words.

There Are those who are susceptable To emotionalism -- during a church service -- they will make a decision in the heat of emotion and not really mean it. Once the person is calm again -- they didn't really mean 'it'.

My point was the phrase " prayer language' is not scriptural . Another take on the phrase "prayer language" is "Heavenly language" that phrase is also not found in Scripture .
40 years Assemblies of God that is why up in post #43 i said i was surprised to not find them .

 

[BryanWesleyJamesLaybourn]

"Ask and you shall receive."

My first gift to those who conquer: You can not understand the Bible with fear. It matters not what version you have. You will be forced to close it every time until you give up knowledge and read like God is talking to YOU.

 

[BryanWesleyJamesLaybourn]

Second Gift: what you call "prayer language" is The King's Speech. All inclusive.

 

[Sue D.]

God's Word IS God talking to each individual through the Holy Spirit as we read.

Look at Proverbs 2:1-12 or so. Talks about wisdom, understanding , knowledge

Sounds like you're handing out 'gifts' ?!

Lifting phrases from the Bible is done frequently. What does the entire passage say.

the 'prayer language' isn't really spoken of in Scripture as Reba1 has commented on. Just found where it is once 1 Corinthians 14:14 "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful ....... vs 19 "yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my undertanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue." and then vs 22 and following are the guidelines given For speaking in tongues especially vs 27, 28.

Speaking in tongues Is in 1 Corinthians 12 -- spiritual gifts, etc.

"The King's Speech -- All inclusive" please explain.

 

[BryanWesleyJamesLaybourn]

The royal "we". Speaking with pluralism. You can not separate your self from God and be with God. You must include yourself in God, and God in you. You must realize you are the lesser self and all that you have ever experienced is the greater self. Just as the Father, Son and Spirit are different yet equal.

 

[Sue D.]

Are you responding back to my question about "The King's Speech " or explaining something else.

A born- again believer is only in God in the sense that the Holy Spirit indwells each believer upon their salvation. We become a new creature / creation in Christ.

No one is 'in God'. God is Almighty God. Creator of this universe and mankind.

The greater / lesser self 'thing' sounds like New Age.

 

[Reba1]

"Ask and you shall receive."

My first gift to those who conquer: You can not understand the Bible with fear. It matters not what version you have. You will be forced to close it every time until you give up knowledge and read like God is talking to YOU.

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

This is every bit as much Scripture as

Luk_12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

With every passage as you say God is talking to you .

When most of us read a passage we dont like we justify by statements like, well that was written to them, or that was for that time, that is different now that i am saved . and the one that is meant to clinch the deal The Holy Spirit taught me .

P.S. i have not figured out why some Scripture quotes show up i red

 

[BryanWesleyJamesLaybourn]

Depending on your version of scripture the red scripture is the words of Jesus Himself, and not his Messengers.

 

[Reba1]

Depending on your version of scripture the red scripture is the words of Jesus Himself, and not his Messengers.

I am fully aware of the Red Letter Bible editions .. My point was to the red font showing up in the references when i copy and paste some scripture some times .

 

[Sue D.]

@reba 1 -- I've been noticing that too. Seems to be differentiating who's talking in a post and the references kept separate from text. I think it's king of neat -- helpful.

The references are easier to read.

 

[Reba1]

My first thought was it is the standard red letter.. Sheesh NO that is Romans . Looking into this i figured it out... The red references show up when copy & paste from the Esword 'Bible' the black is when i quoted from Eswords listed response to my search. So now i know