Should we as born-again Christians expose and name heretics

[PloughBoy]

"Ask and you shall receive."

My first gift to those who conquer: You can not understand the Bible with fear. It matters not what version you have. You will be forced to close it every time until you give up knowledge and read like God is talking to YOU.

Do you really know who “Coined” that term,”ask and you will receive”. In your translation of the Bible. I bet you can’t find it in the “Original copied Manuscripts “ you have the internet, bring a copy of the Mahuscript that was used to translate your home bible. In the front it will tell you what “Manuscript “ it used. If you have a good study translation. The internet will show you how to do that.
Notice: I am not attacking, just Showing light upon the portion of text: “ask and you will receive “. This is friendly, ok. Translate word for word, of the original copied Greek Manuscript to your everyday language. Or take a short cut. Look up “William Tyndale”.

 

[Sue D.]

The actual passage is Luke 11:9 - 10

"So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks find, and to him who knows it will be opened. "

It's not all That mysterious -- I found it in the concordance in the back of my Bible. NKJ.

 

[PloughBoy]

You are addressing a translation and a English concordance. I am address the Original copied Manuscript that is written in koine Greek. That you got your translation from. That is what I am addressing Sue.

 

[Reba1]

The little i know about Greek could fit into a thimble thimbles are important to any one who sews by hand. Translating the written old Greek to English is not a word for word translation. Word for word translations do not allow for the nuances of the languages . Much can be lost or thoughts not really there because we do not fully grasp the language beyond the written.

 

[PloughBoy]

This is only a “snap shot” the terms and words “Tyndale” created for the Bible we use. There was no Greek words for these terms or English words.

God gave “Tyndale” the gift of Languages! So we could have the Bible in “All “ our languages! Notice I said “All” from the Hebrew text to the Greek text.

As David Daniell, the author of the latest biography of Tyndale, writes, “William Tyndale gave us our English Bible” and “he madea language for England.” “Jehovah,” “scapegoat,” “the salt of the earth” and “Ask and it shall be given you. Seek and ye shall find.

These words and terms are not par se of the original language. By me stating these things to you, means nothing, unless you know the Biography of such men, and how God used them, through pain and struggle, lost and “martyrdom”.

Most of us has no idea the price that was paid to have the “Word” of God” that floats across our lips, sometimes with the “Greatest of ease.” Let us be truthful with one another, time is growing nearer than we think. Time out for “BarberShop” Theology”. God has provide for us easy “access” to “excavating” materials to dig deep into the truth of His word By internet. Why? the same reason He had to send the “Reformers” of their time. Because a lot of “Ministers and churches “ don’t know the truth or don’t want the truth or are hiding the truth or the cares of life has choke the truth or just plain darn lazy. “And if the blind leads the blind”. “And a little leaven, leaven’s the whole bunch”.


Those who have read the whole books of “Ezekiel “, Jeremiah, and Isaiah. On a number of times, knows that I am telling the truth. And Gods know how they have use the book of “Malachi” with great distortion. You must read entire books of the Bible not verses! You must get the truth for yourself and your love ones! “Shalom”. Don’t count on no one, to present the “Truth” of God’s” to your children your love ones and your spouses! And you must do it in love!

This is a old saying that is laying and dying, “prostrated in the street”. “Love begins at home, then it spreads, abroad”. Love, forgives when it has been , done wrong, love is kind, when it has been abused, love is gentle, when it has been refused. “Love begins at home and spreads abroad”. The time has come, many brothers and sisters in Christ, love, have grown cold.

 

[Sue D.]

PloughBoy -- you make 'this' way more complex than it needs to be.

I happen to trust the translators who've made it possible for us to have God's Word in our own language.

Actually it was the Coverdale Bible that was the 1st complete Bible printed in English.

You are referring to William Tyndale because he is called the "Father of the English Bible" Because his translation forms the basis of the KJV.

The KJV was formulated over 6 years , six teams of scholars using the Bishops Bible and the Tyndale Bible as well as available Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and was completed in 1611 but has been revised several times.
The edition used today was revised in 1769.

There are no truths that only a few people who dig Really deep into Scripture will find.

Verses make the chapters and chapters make the book. To put it Another way -- ya start reading the book -- chapter is made up of verses. etc. etc.

 

[PloughBoy]

How many years did you study Coverdale and William Tyndale and the Reformers and the making of the Bible and what seminary was it? And what views. I hope you did not get it off the internet in bits and pieces.

 

[Sue D.]

A person doesn't have to study their lives -- we can read about them. I was reading a book about how the Bible was put together -- a very interesting book.

and no one has to go to a seminary to gain knowledge. And going to one does not make a person an expert in anything.

My late husband went to both Bible college and Seminary as did my brother -in-law -- they never thought of themselves as experts. They were good preacher/ teachers.

 

[PloughBoy]

It sounds like to me you are using “Plagiarism” off of the internet, instead of doing your own ground floor or roots research. But trying to capitalize off of others and putting off as your own.

 

[Sue D.]

Wow -- what's with the 'attitude'. Attacking me ?! really.

The book is "Why Trust the Bible?" put out by Rose publishing company // Bible Basics

 

[PloughBoy]

Plagiarism is plagiarism, if some one else said it, make sure, you state it. Because they might have got it from someone else most likely, if he did they have to list it in his book or writings of source. He might of got his information from Karl Marx! Or some other Secular Person of Religion or philosophical thought or even a Atheist even. Of even a “heretic” no matter what denomination they belong too.

 

[PloughBoy]

And who did “Rose” copied the information from, then who did that author get his information. I know, most likely “John Calvin”! Then you past it on to me.

 

[Reba1]

Plagiarism is plagiarism, if some one else said it, make sure, you state it. Because they might have got it from someone else most likely, if he did they have to list it in his book or writings of source. He might of got his information from Karl Marx! Or some other Secular Person of Religion or philosophical thought or even a Atheist even. Of even a “heretic” no matter what denomination they belong too.

Comic relief ?

 

[PloughBoy]

The little i know about Greek could fit into a thimble thimbles are important to any one who sews by hand. Translating the written old Greek to English is not a word for word translation. Word for word translations do not allow for the nuances of the languages . Much can be lost or thoughts not really there because we do not fully grasp the language beyond the written.

Here is a example:
That’s what I believe we lost in translation.

I would propose that better translations of Ephesians 5:22 than “submit” or “be subject to” might be phrases like:

“Wives, support your husbands.”
“Wives, deploy yourselves in support of your husbands.”
“Wives, arrange yourselves for battle for your husbands.”

Or, less literally:

“Wives, go to battle for your husbands.”
“Wives, defend your husbands.”

Stant Litore

And he explains why by using the whole context of the letter and the koine Greek language and back it up how it is written and the Greek word that it use. And it makes “common biblical New Testament sense.

and it is a reason church leader wanted it translated in the form it is in today! Can’t you figure that out ladies, Especially that tithe bucket, if you really knew the real truth that is in your bible right in front, Some of that tithe money you put in that plate was the money God provide to go on a nice vacation for you and your family debt free! Fellowship with your husbands. Right there in the Bible. Talking about “Heretics”

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- good grief -- talk about Attitude about giving to your church. The "tithe bucket" -- Old Testament teaches 10% goes to God. Give to God 1st. because everything we have Comes from God. The New Testament tells us that God loves a cheerful giver. If you don't Want to give to God , then the grumbling 'Christian' has a problem. What constitutes a Nice vacation? Giving to God 1st and with a good, thankful heart Might just be a wonderful blessing for you. But, then, again, Then you wouldn't have anything to grumble about.

I think 'we ladies' have a better understanding of some Scriptures than You do.

The next verse goes into more detail -- vs 23 "For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body vs 24 "Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything . vs 25 Husband, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.

You're free to propose any translation of the verse you want to. I, myself, prefer to stick with what Scripture Does say.

A wife Should support her own husband as should a husband support his own wife. They should Both be protecting their relationship / marriage.

God's Word uses the word 'submit'.

 

[Sue D.]

PloughBoy -- you appear to have a 'problem' -- have you ever thought of Biblical counseling?!

 

[PloughBoy]

LOL, they thought Jesus and Apostle Paul needed counseling too! Luther, Spurgeon, Edwards, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, needed help, the church said. The Pope called “Luther, a wild Boar” in the vineyard”. LOL!

 

[PloughBoy]

Sue, you just have not really encountered a “Theologian” of Covenant [Reformed] Theology. That is why I’m strange to you.. you never heard Ministers or preachers, make a comment of attacking, making this statement, with their chest stuck out: “ Now for all of you “Theologians and Critical Scholars”. Yea, I am one of them, that is being attacked.

 

[Sue D.]

It sounds like to me you are using “Plagiarism” off of the internet, instead of doing your own ground floor or roots research. But trying to capitalize off of others and putting off as your own.

"This" is what I mean by your having a bad attitude. You are strongly suggesting that I'm a liar. Absolutely No reason to do that.

 

[Sue D.]

As well as your last paragraph in post #74. Your Attitude is what needs some 'Biblical counseling' attention. At least from My perspective.