Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

[Shaolin]

Give a scripture you would like to talk about.

Once again, trying to look more righteous than you are, GT.

I was talking about the passage that you twisted in your personal and false interpretation, and you couldn't stand it so you diverted the conversation.

Try again, or admit that you were wrong.

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[God's Truth]

No, uneducated thing...

You make me laugh, are you a comedian?

they are not the same thing. A testament is what a testimony is, and it comes from the Latin; a covenant is something completely different, but your uneducated self can't see that because you lack knowledge. A covenant is a legal accord between at least two parties that brings those parties not only into legal standing (contract) but also legal relationship (adoption, marriage) They are not the same thing.

Furthermore, a covenant or testament is NOT a "will." Again you don't know what you are talking about. I am beginning to suspect that you are really a teenager masquerading as an adult, because your knowledge base is so very low. A will goes into affect upon the death of the individual to any present heirs at the moment of death...that is NOT what a covenant is (and, BTW, the New Covenant was inaugurated at Christ's baptism, and was ratified at the last supper, NOT when Jesus died).

Please, educate yourself.

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[God's Truth]

You don't listen very well, do you.

He doesn't have to be called a martyr in Scripture in order for him to have been martyred. Again, please, THINK before you speak.

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He does have to be called something for it to be scripture, otherwise it is false beliefs.

 

[God's Truth]

I tried to show you Scripture, but you refuse to listen to what Scripture says.

You try to appear to be righteous, but you are only fooling yourself.

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Would you rather have God's Truth or your beliefs from men?

 

[Shaolin]

One must check with the scriptures to see if what they are taught is true according to the scriptures.

Yes...and when we do that, we easily observe that your claims are as false as a red herring.

Tongues were for 1. a sign,

Yes, and Scripture...unlike your false claims, say that it is a sign to unbelievers, NOT just unbelieving Jews...

2. to the Jews,

Wrong again...see the above.

3. during the laying of the foundation,

Wrong again, there is no Scripture that teaches that tongues were only for "the laying of the foundation." And I provided for you three different passages in the past that clearly demonstrates that tongues will be part of the church until the church is taken to heaven.

But you refuse the truth of Scriptures because you are blinded by your false bias.

4. it was a prophecy fulfilled,

Wrong again...prophecy fulfilled isn't fulfilled (on this count) until the church is taken out of the world. While the church is still in the world, tongues will continue in those who are truly walking with God (which apparently counts you out) and who exercise their prayer language (not all people do, but it is possible for them if they are truly walking with God and have a living prayer life).

5. it was a testimony from God that what the apostles spoke was from Him, along with all the other miracles the apostles could do,

Another false claim with no Scripture to back it up.

6. the tongue speaker spoke supernaturally so that those with foreign languages heard the message in their language supernaturally,

Wrong again (you just can't help yourself)...there are two types of languages spoken in tongues depending upon the situation: one is a foreign language like a Korean speaking in English that doesn't know English; and the other is what Paul says the "tongues of angels" which is only spoken by the Holy Spirit through a person when He is giving the message, and then He interprets it through the same person or another person. Totally His call.

7. the tongue speaker spoke mysteries, teachings about the gospel.

Another warped interpretation...it was only a mystery to those who couldn't understand what the tongue speaker was saying. This is where the church has perverted things...because people go off speaking in their prayer language in church or other public places when Paul specifically tells us NOT to do that...because unlearned and unsaved people (like you) don't understand and call them crazy. The ONLY tongues that are to be spoken out loud is when a person receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit as the initial evidence sign of that baptism, and when the Spirit Himself speaks through a person in public (church) and then gives the interpretation.

You are brain washed, BT, and don't know what you are talking about.

The sign was given to the Jews during the laying of the foundation the prophecy was fulfilled and God already testified to it, no one is using tongues to give those the message of God in other foreign languages, the mystery has been given, we have the scriptures in the Bible and it is finished.

Like your father, you mix a little bit if truth with lies.

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[Shaolin]

You make me laugh, are you a comedian?

lol

Yes...see...this is how a fool answers truth.

You are not worth anyone's time.

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[God's Truth]

Yes...see...this is how a fool answers truth.

You are not worth anyone's time.

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All you want to do is insult as a way to defend your false teachings.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes...see...this is how a fool answers truth.

You are not worth anyone's time.

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While the church is still in the world, tongues will continue in those who are truly walking with God (which apparently counts you out) and who exercise their prayer language (not all people do, but it is possible for them if they are truly walking with God and have a living prayer life).

Like your father, you mix a little bit if truth with lies.

Looks like this site is trying to stifle what I say because the truth I speak hurts, while it lets you say all kinds of evil to me.

 

[vhusley]

It is important to realize that after the believers in the bible had the gift of speaking in tongues for the sign to the Jews…they kept the gift even when the Jews of other languages were not around. Therefore, the tongue speakers spoke only to God when they spoke in tongues they themselves did not understand and when no Jews from other languages were there, because, God, of course, can understand all the earthly languages the tongue speakers were speaking. How is that beneficial to anyone, even to the speaker when they can’t understand what they are saying?

Again, if there were no other people of other languages around to understand the tongue speaker, and if the tongue speaker themselves cannot interpret what they say and there was no other interpreter, then they are to be quiet and only speak to God, and this speaking edified (nurtured) only themselves. Only the real tongues were edifying. Tongue speaking edifies (nurtures) only the tongue speaker when no one understands because the tongue speaker feels blessed that God gave them an amazing gift. How greatly edifying it is for oneself just to have such a gift; that is the only way it edifies when you don’t understand what you are saying.

It is a false edification when one is performing babbling.

There are tongues as a sign for unbelievers. These tongues were actual spoken languages that occurred in a miraculous outpouring of the Spirit, and unbelievers from many nations heard their own languages being spoken by those who received rhe Holy Spirit.

Then, there are tongues for believers. These are prophetic tongues that require interpretation. They are for the edification and building up of the body. These are also spoken of by Paul in first Corinthians chapter 14.
Paul also speaks of praying “with understanding” and praying “in the spirit,” which his mind did not understand. WE understand this to be praying in an angelic tongue where we must yield to the Holy Spirit and He in turn, prays THROUGH us in a language that glorifies God and builds us up but does not necessarily edify others nor the church directly.
Paul, in Romans also speaks of tongues for intercession when he speaks of the Holy Spirit praying on our behalf or on the behalf of others THROUGH us with “groanings that cannot be understood.”

When we rightly divide the Word of Truth and look to the prophecy of Joel, confirmed by the testimony of Peter‘s sermon on the day of Pentecost, and combine that with what was witnessed on that day as well as what was witnessed when many other believers in the New Testament were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues; and then, when we see all of this in the light of Paul’s teachings to the churches at Corinth and Rome….we can know, with blessed assurance, by the testimony of the Holy Ghost (if we’ve received Him), and on the truth of God’s Word….that there was more than just the “gift of tongues” and that tongues are STILL in operation today.

By the way, there is scripture to back up EVERY single bit of what I just wrote….and it has already been shared with you exhaustively by me as well as by other members such as @Waggles and @Shaolin .

Your denial that that scripture means what so many KNOW it means, does not take away from the truth of God’s Word nor does it take away from the truth of what so many have already truly experienced.

 

[vhusley]

And @God's Truth, you keep saying that you stand on scripture and that you want to “discuss,” but what of the two simple passages of scripture I posted?
1 Corinthians 14:15
1 Corinthians 14:39

You’ve still yet to address them SPECIFICALLY. You responded by going off on another diatribe on “tongue speaking” in general.
What did Paul mean when addressing the Church at Corinth and instructing them plainly to “not forbid speaking in tongues”? These believers/followers who were obviously not Apostles by the strictest biblical definition?
What kind of tongues do you think he was referring to? What kind of tongues do you think they’d be speaking? According to your false claims the “perfect had already come” and the foundation “had already been laid”. So what was the need for the tongues that Paul clearly says shouldn’t be forbidden?

And in what language do you believe Paul was praying when he prayed in the Spirit? Obviously it was a language that his mind has no understanding of. He even says so. Was it a known language? If so, why? Because this is just him praying…..individually….not giving a sign to unbelievers. Because he tells us as much. God’s word tells us as much.

 

[Shaolin]

Would you rather have God's Truth or your beliefs from men?

Truth...which is why I reject the nonsense you give.

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[Shaolin]

All you want to do is insult as a way to defend your false teachings.

Nice...no, I don't believe in false teachings. What I have stated, I have stated because that is what Scripture clearly teaches. You are the false teacher here, which is what makes a person foolish...just as Scripture states.

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[Shaolin]

Looks like this site is trying to stifle what I say because the truth I speak hurts, while it lets you say all kinds of evil to me.

Wrong again, you have not spoken any truth since you have been posting on this thread...but nice try.

If you did speak truth, then what you say would be supported by Scripture. Since nothing you have stated is from Scripture, nothing you have stated is truth.

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[God's Truth]

There are tongues as a sign for unbelievers. These tongues were actual spoken languages that occurred in a miraculous outpouring of the Spirit, and unbelievers from many nations heard their own languages being spoken by those who received rhe Holy Spirit.

Then, there are tongues for believers. These are prophetic tongues that require interpretation.

That is the only kind of tongues. Tongues are languages foreign to the speaker.

They are for the edification and building up of the body. These are also spoken of by Paul in first Corinthians chapter 14.

Only one kind of tongues but many different languages.

Paul also speaks of praying “with understanding” and praying “in the spirit,” which his mind did not understand.

His said the mind is fruitless if you don't interpret.

WE understand this to be praying in an angelic tongue where we must yield to the Holy Spirit and He in turn, prays THROUGH us in a language that glorifies God and builds us up but does not necessarily edify others nor the church directly.

Your mind is fruitless too if you don't know what you are saying.

Paul, in Romans also speaks of tongues for intercession when he speaks of the Holy Spirit praying on our behalf or on the behalf of others THROUGH us with “groanings that cannot be understood.”

No such thing as the Spirit groaning for you.

 

[God's Truth]

And @God's Truth, you keep saying that you stand on scripture and that you want to “discuss,” but what of the two simple passages of scripture I posted?
1 Corinthians 14:15
1 Corinthians 14:39

You’ve still yet to address them SPECIFICALLY. You responded by going off on another diatribe on “tongue speaking” in general.
What did Paul mean when addressing the Church at Corinth and instructing them plainly to “not forbid speaking in tongues”? These believers/followers who were obviously not Apostles by the strictest biblical definition?
What kind of tongues do you think he was referring to? What kind of tongues do you think they’d be speaking? According to your false claims the “perfect had already come” and the foundation “had already been laid”. So what was the need for the tongues that Paul clearly says shouldn’t be forbidden?

And in what language do you believe Paul was praying when he prayed in the Spirit? Obviously it was a language that his mind has no understanding of. He even says so. Was it a known language? If so, why? Because this is just him praying…..individually….not giving a sign to unbelievers. Because he tells us as much. God’s word tells us as much.

It was tongues when no one who was around who had a foreign language.
However, Paul says to be quiet if no one of another language is around and there is no interpreter.

 

[GodB4Us]

By staying in context you can find the intent

Genesis 4: 6-8 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Some say Cain was upset with half brother because his mother had a a adultness' afar .the context is clear he heard the gospel and then lied that he did not know where his martyred brother was .

Abel is not mentioned 21 times because Cain saw him as a half breed. His living sacrifice had to do with unseen spiritual matters

Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

@Shaolin

Your reference did not say Abel was sent to Cain to give him a message. If you wish to infer, God spoke to Cain & warned Cain, but whatever he had talked about in the field was hardly anything God told Cain to tell Abel about.

The irony is on what God had told Cain that Abel's desire is to Cain and that Cain would rule over Abel. Cain was the first born anyway.

As for Abel being a half breed, there is no scriptural basis for that as being of the truth.

Genesis 4:1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

There were no other people on earth when Cain was born first and Abel was born second.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

There were other children by Adam & Eve after Cain & Abel for how, after many generations, Cain was able to find a wife which was a relative of his at the time he had murdered Abel. That was why there was no place for him to go on earth for every one was related to Abel and Cain, but would take vengeance on Cain for killing Abel..

The sons of God are the godly lineage of Seth that had replaced Abel, whom had died. The sons of God is a reference only pertaining to Israel's family tree.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Now Christians are the sons of God not by blood lineage nor by Judaism.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Shaolin]

@Shaolin

Your reference did not say Abel was sent to Cain to give him a message. If you wish to infer, God spoke to Cain & warned Cain, but whatever he had talked about in the field was hardly anything God told Cain to tell Abel about.

The irony is on what God had told Cain that Abel's desire is to Cain and that Cain would rule over Abel. Cain was the first born anyway.

As for Abel being a half breed, there is no scriptural basis for that as being of the truth.

Genesis 4:1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

There were no other people on earth when Cain was born first and Abel was born second.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

There were other children by Adam & Eve after Cain & Abel for how, after many generations, Cain was able to find a wife which was a relative of his at the time he had murdered Abel. That was why there was no place for him to go on earth for every one was related to Abel and Cain, but would take vengeance on Cain for killing Abel..

The sons of God are the godly lineage of Seth that had replaced Abel, whom had died. The sons of God is a reference only pertaining to Israel's family tree.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Now Christians are the sons of God not by blood lineage nor by Judaism.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

I think you are confusing me with garee...I did not post that which you are referring to.

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[vhusley]

It was tongues when no one who was around who had a foreign language.

Do you have scripture for this or did you just come up with this on your own?
If you want me to believe anything you are dishing out, then sorry, but you’re going to have to back it up with the Bible. If it doesn’t align with God’s Word….then it’s just you and your own personal feelings and beliefs…..and what you’re saying is not of God.

 

[vhusley]

That is the only kind of tongues. Tongues are languages foreign to the speaker.

Only one kind of tongues but many different languages.

His said the mind is fruitless if you don't interpret.

Your mind is fruitless too if you don't know what you are saying.

No such thing as the Spirit groaning for you.

Do you have a scriptural basis for ANYTHING you are saying?
Oh wait, earlier in this thread you said Jesus alone was your teacher. Did Jesus tell you to disregard His Word and to rely more on your own personal feelings and beliefs?

Did He tell you to come up with your own personal meanings for words used in scripture?

 

[God's Truth]

Do you have scripture for this or did you just come up with this on your own?
If you want me to believe anything you are dishing out, then sorry, but you’re going to have to back it up with the Bible. If it doesn’t align with God’s Word….then it’s just you and your own personal feelings and beliefs…..and what you’re saying is not of God.

Give the scriptures that say what you claim about different kinds of tongues.