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The gift of free will.

Then you'd better get a backhoe instead of using shovels.

Thanks for bringing up good points from your perspective.
However, I'm not the one doing the digging Jesus is.

So you don't think Jesus was expressing outrage when he spoke of this?

Ohh I do think that he was expressing outrage, no doubt, it seems very obvious he was.

Isn't that the mystery though, our responsibility to exercise our freewill (Pelagianism) does not contradict God's sovereignty (Calvinism) and the plans that God has put forth.

I don't think that the core points that you are emphasizing are wrong. I'm not arguing against you.
I am seeing that you are emphasizing one truth at the result of lowering another, and I'm bringing this to your attention. They can both be true.

Take Judas for example, did Judas choose(freewill) to betray Jesus? Yes.
Did God select Judas to be one of the 12? Yes.

The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.” Matthew 26:24
Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” _ John 6:70

So your points are not wrong @Rhema , but it seems that you are lifting them up above other truths.
It is like if I say that Joe Biden is a Father, and you yell out, "Joe Biden is a Husband".

Well.. he is both.

Once more, your position is not wrong, as the truth you are stating is true, yet just be mindful that
truth is multifaceted ( notice I didn't say relative).



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The truth to the matter of what is on my plate for breakfast is multifaceted. One might say you have eggs
on your plate (yes that is true). Another might say you have bread (yes that is also true). The truth of the matter
is multifaceted (not relative). Not relative meaning the truth of what I ate for breakfast doesn't change based on
who is asking the question, but the truth has many sides, and sometimes we look in 2D, as in looking at one
side of a dice, instead of looking at the 6 faces of a dice with is multifaceted (many faces).

The Truth is Not relative, meaning the numbers on that dice is not changing(there is no 7, or 8, etc), it is the same (1-6),
yet what is on the dice has many facets to it (it contains more than just one numerical element).
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I enjoy discussing with you @Rhema , we may have different perspectives, but we are respectful, and that makes me smile. :)
 
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However, I'm not the one doing the digging Jesus is.
Are you sure ??

Does the King dig? Or do the servants of the King dig? I think Jesus handed you the shovel.

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Therefore Go ye, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​
(Matthew 28:18-20 KJV)​

Christians look around and bemoan the state of the world, even preaching that Satan is the god of this world (he is not). Yet JESUS declared that He - Jesus - was given ALL power in BOTH heaven and Earth, and then He commands YE, his disciples to GO (dig). If the state of the world is frelled, then it's y(our) fault truly.

And if we are failing, then we are failing to teach the right things, we are failing to present the right Gospel, we are failing to follow the Pattern given by the Divine DIA (by means of) which others are truly saved.

However, I'm not the one doing the digging Jesus is.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. ... and upon this rock I will build my church;​
(Matthew 16:15-18 KJV)​

It has always puzzled me that Evangelicals are always asking, nay, begging the sinner to become saved, rather than asking the Father to save them, for truly Salvation is by the Father revealing such (Calvinism), but to whom such was revealed is not a thing predetermined before creation (Calvin was wrong in this). One can always find a little bit of truth in every lie (whether Calvinism or Pelagianism).

Why does the Father save anyone? Because He was asked to do so by His Sons (plural).

And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.​
(John 16:23 KJV)​

God's sovereignty
Well that's a mouthful.

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man traveling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.​
(Matthew 25:14 KJV)​

Can one truly be said to have sovereignty if this very same sovereignty was delivered unto his servants?

Is God a helicopter parent?

I've now provided two scripture verses where the sovereignty of God has been handed to you. Need you a third? (Okay..)

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my Regents both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.​
(Acts 1:8 RHM)​

Take Judas for example, did Judas choose(freewill) to betray Jesus? Yes.
More to discuss about this, but in a later thread.

I am seeing that you are emphasizing one truth at the result of lowering another, and I'm bringing this to your attention. They can both be true.
Just saying that this "both" thing has not been well defined. Specifically, which truth am I "lowering" ?? Sorry to not be clear on this. My point about Pelagius was that he denied people are "born dead" in accordance with your graveyard metaphor.

The truth to the matter of what is on my plate for breakfast is multifaceted.
The truth of the matter is you need to improve your diet. :innocent: :p :rolleyes:

I enjoy discussing with you @Rhema , we may have different perspectives, but we are respectful, and that makes me smile. :)

Smile on,
Rhema

(But one day you will be offended... and we will deal with that too.)
 
Are you sure ??


And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Therefore Go ye, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​
(Matthew 28:18-20 KJV)​


Smile on,
Rhema

(But one day you will be offended... and we will deal with that too.)

Yeaa, not my actually breakfast, but just a picture online for illustration, :cool:

You made some good points which reminded me about what I said in my previous post about balance. Matthew 28:18-20 reminds us that we have been given power. Amen @Rhema . I agree.

But to get back to the original post, what would you say @Rhema , is one statement (not one sentence , but one statement) that summarizes what your position on this is?


Smile on :)
 
In the original post @Lavender Peace stated this question.

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The gift of free will

Theres a lot of scripture on the foundation of the world and before the foundation of the world.

Through seeking this out, did God give us the gift of freewill. Or did He choose His own people regardless of free will?
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The question ask OR, meaning it assumes it has to be one or the other.

My answer and my position on the question asked in summary is this:

God does gives us the gift of freewill and this gift does not contradict God's choosing those whom He desires to choose.

This is my position in a statement. What is your position in a statement @Rhema ? Not asking about your
rebuttal to what others have said, but what is your position or your answer to the original question asked?

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The gift of free will

Theres a lot of scripture on the foundation of the world and before the foundation of the world.

Through seeking this out, did God give us the gift of freewill. Or did He choose His own people regardless of free will?


I personally believe that God gave the gift of freewill.
For He forknew the elect, and surely knew who would respond to Him.

That is because God knows the beginning to the end and knows us all from the outer layer to the innermost part of our heart.

Therefore for us who have a relationship with God , we can have the assurance that He is watching us because He knows us. God not only knew us before we were born.He knew us before the foundations of the world.

God knows us.To know us has deeper layers and in Christ we are set free and comforted by that.

Adam & Eve had the gift of free will, but since fallen, all mankind is under the bondage of sin and death. Our sins drives us away from the Holy God.

So I can believe God foreknew who would receive Him from those that would not so as to get the gospel t them that would believe, and even then, the Father has to draw or drag them to the Son to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Him and be saved so that means our believing in Jesus Christ is also a work of God.

John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

There was a woman that I had used to work with that had believed she had to clean up her life first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ. I had never asked her why she believed in that way but I have come across some believers that preach that sinners are to repent from all sins in coming to Jesus Christ to believe in Him and so she may have had thought she was to repent from all sins BEFORE coming to Jesus to believe in Him..

I cannot recall exactly what I had said to her but it was in the neighborhood that Jesus came to save sinners from their sins so they can come to Him for eternal life too. She did not believe me but a day later, she must have talked to another co worker that confirmed the word planted and she then believed and was saved because I could see the joy of her salvation on her face as she proclaimed that I was right.

Anyway, this scripture comes to mind.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Scripture testifies that believers are not born by the will of the flesh nor the will of man; hence there is no free will in this when we are sinners as the Father draws us unto the Son to reveal His son to us so we can believe in Him & be saved.

The Father knows whom would receive Him from those that prefer their evil deeds and that is why not every one will hear the gospel, but we can rest assured that no one in hell would have believed if they had heard the gospel.

Here is an example of God's working in the early days of the Church in the Book of Acts.

Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

The Father knew whom were seeking Him from those that were not. This is why Jesus said not to preach the gospel to those who declare that they do not want to hear it.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Of course, one can always leave an offer for those that do not want to hear it then, that they can call on you when they do want to hear it or ask questions about our faith.

1 Peter 3: 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
 
In the original post @Lavender Peace stated this question.

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The gift of free will

Theres a lot of scripture on the foundation of the world and before the foundation of the world.

Through seeking this out, did God give us the gift of freewill. Or did He choose His own people regardless of free will?
---------------------------

The question ask OR, meaning it assumes it has to be one or the other.

My answer and my position on the question asked in summary is this:

God does gives us the gift of freewill and this gift does not contradict God's choosing those whom He desires to choose.

This is my position in a statement. What is your position in a statement @Rhema ? Not asking about your
rebuttal to what others have said, but what is your position or your answer to the original question asked?

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Could any one show me where in the word of The Living God that God has giving “The Gift of Freewill”.
I see the “Gift of Life” , The Gift of Faith, I see The Gift of Grace, I see The Gift of Christ given to us by GOD The Father coming down from “Heaven”. The Gift of ETERNAL Life. And other Gifts coming from “The Triune GOD”.
But corrupted man knows how to twist GOD WORD to shape his own doctoral ways.

it is not there, and if anyone proclaims that GOD has given us A “Gift of Freewill” they are a liar! And they are lying on GOD! Corrupted man will bend and make a lie look like the Truth!
For man’s will is in “Bondage” and a “Slave” unto Sin.
But mankind loves The words of darkness rather than Light” and he is liar on top of it. And he is a lover of lies.
It is plainly stated, man is in “Bondage” and once He is purchased by the blood of Jesus. He becomes a “Slave” unto Christ. “Not my will but thy will be done”.

You cannot serve Two Masters, Either you are a servant to Satan or a servant in bondage to Jesus Christ! For there is no in between

you See, there is a broad road and a wide gate of Christian’s but only a Few “children of The Living GOD” who been purchase by The Son of The Living God!

Christians out number us, so their voices are louder and heard more often than ours.

Their constant tone is: “Give us Barabbas” and not “THE TRUTH”.
What is THE TRUTH? Thy “WORD” is “THE TRUTH”!

There is no such Thing as “The Gift of Freewill” that is a poisonous and corrupted, contaminating, pandemic, polluting thought generated by The Great Perfect ADVERSARY himself. Over 44 years plus on this journey I have never heard a lie like that before. “The Gift of Freewill”. The great falling away from GOD’S WORD is fully here and it begins in “Christianity “ lead by a host of Christians and their churches and I am not referring to “The Sons. Of THE LIVING GOD”. For they have not the Ability to express such a notion of corruption.

For this is “The Rock” I stand, So help me GOD! And I will not be move, Like The Tree Planted by many waters!
 
Could any one show me where in the word of The Living God that God has giving “The Gift of Freewill”.
I see the “Gift of Life” , The Gift of Faith, I see The Gift of Grace, I see The Gift of Christ given to us by GOD The Father coming down from “Heaven”. The Gift of ETERNAL Life. And other Gifts coming from “The Triune GOD”.
But corrupted man knows how to twist GOD WORD to shape his own doctoral ways.

You ask some of the best questions, which really gets me thinking.

So in response to the point above, which makes a good point.
I don't see anywhere it talks about the "gift of free will",

however I see many places (no scriptures needed), where the WORD of God talks about Love.
And the love between Jesus and us. The church and Jesus. God and us, love love love.

Which leads me to infer freewill. Is it possible to have a true love without freewill?

If one was not free to choose love, but forced to love like a robot, than is that really love?

Can love be forced?

For one to Love, doesn't one have to have "free will" to choose love?

Love is a choice, yes? (not just warm feelings, or a thought). If love is a choice and God desires us to Love Him (no scriptures needed), don't we have to be free to choose to love him for it to be "real love"?

So yes you are correct @PloughBoy , the Bible does not speak of "The Gift of Freewill", but it does speak of Love, and deductive reasoning
leads me to believe that If Love is possible or expected by God from us, than He has given us Freewill to make that Love possible and real.
 
These scriptures might help @PloughBoy in your search of where God points to freewill.


"And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Genesis 2:16-17

"This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live"
Deuteronomy 30:19

We see choices mentioned, and we see that Bible also talks about making a choice.
As a computer programmer (hobby), the programs operate based on logic and rules, It is not a "choice" the computer is making. The computer is operating
only based on the parameters set by the code.
Yet, we as humans are "free to choose", we do have a choice (which means freewill) and God told Adam and Eve that they were "free" to make that choice (though he told them which choice to make).


Once they sinned, as you mentioned in a previous post, they became slaves to sin and while choice wasn't all lost, their default position was now a slave to sin.
 
God gives choices, and then gives consequences for the choices we make. This is all throughout scriptures, yes?
Yet and still All things work for Good for those who loved the Lord who are called according to Gods purpose "Romans 8:28".

I think these two points are pretty obvious, yes?

We see choices all throughout scripture and consequences, yet we still see God's sovereign hand at work in everything.
 
You ask some of the best questions, which really gets me thinking.

So in response to the point above, which makes a good point.
I don't see anywhere it talks about the "gift of free will",

however I see many places (no scriptures needed), where the WORD of God talks about Love.
And the love between Jesus and us. The church and Jesus. God and us, love love love.

Which leads me to infer freewill. Is it possible to have a true love without freewill?

If one was not free to choose love, but forced to love like a robot, than is that really love?

Can love be forced?

For one to Love, doesn't one have to have "free will" to choose love?

Love is a choice, yes? (not just warm feelings, or a thought). If love is a choice and God desires us to Love Him (no scriptures needed), don't we have to be free to choose to love him for it to be "real love"?

So yes you are correct @PloughBoy , the Bible does not speak of "The Gift of Freewill", but it does speak of Love, and deductive reasoning
leads me to believe that If Love is possible or expected by God from us, than He has given us Freewill to make that Love possible and real.

you know this fully. For one to love as command of GOD as describe by GOD, that person finds it is impossible it cannot be done.

So how can that type of Love be achieve? There is only “One Way”. “lord help my unbelief” The only one who may achieve that kind of Love Has to be Empowered-by The Spirit of The Living GOD. “That is True Love”. for love is not a feeling, Love is doing what is right in the eyes of GOD. Doing that which is The righteousness of GOD.

we must not go on feelings for feelings are sensual.

So here is where “Pelagius and Augustine” argued, when Augustine wrote and said in His Confessions: “Lord command me to do what thou have commanded”

And Apostle Paul said:
Romans 7 ASB
14For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15For that which I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I wouldlike to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not wish to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good. 17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which indwells me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the wishing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish. 20But if I am doing the very thing I do not wish, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wishes to do good. 22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
 
You ask some of the best questions, which really gets me thinking.

So in response to the point above, which makes a good point.
I don't see anywhere it talks about the "gift of free will",

however I see many places (no scriptures needed), where the WORD of God talks about Love.
And the love between Jesus and us. The church and Jesus. God and us, love love love.

Which leads me to infer freewill. Is it possible to have a true love without freewill?

If one was not free to choose love, but forced to love like a robot, than is that really love?

Can love be forced?

For one to Love, doesn't one have to have "free will" to choose love?

Love is a choice, yes? (not just warm feelings, or a thought). If love is a choice and God desires us to Love Him (no scriptures needed), don't we have to be free to choose to love him for it to be "real love"?

So yes you are correct @PloughBoy , the Bible does not speak of "The Gift of Freewill", but it does speak of Love, and deductive reasoning
leads me to believe that If Love is possible or expected by God from us, than He has given us Freewill to make that Love possible and real.

John 15: 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

1 John 4: 19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Also see Post #105
 
you know this fully. For one to love as command of GOD as describe by GOD, that person finds it is impossible it cannot be done.

So how can that type of Love be achieve? There is only “One Way”. “lord help my unbelief” The only one who may achieve that kind of Love Has to be Empowered-by The Spirit of The Living GOD. “That is True Love”. for love is not a feeling, Love is doing what is right in the eyes of GOD. Doing that which is The righteousness of GOD.

we must not go on feelings for feelings are sensual.

So here is where “Pelagius and Augustine” argued, when Augustine wrote and said in His Confessions: “Lord command me to do what thou have commanded”

And Apostle Paul said:
Romans 7 ASB
14For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15For that which I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I wouldlike to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not wish to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good. 17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which indwells me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the wishing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish. 20But if I am doing the very thing I do not wish, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wishes to do good. 22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

Thanks for the reply, So how would you summarize your position on this whole thread in one statement?
 
John 15: 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

1 John 4: 19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Also see Post #105
Good scriptures. How would you summarize your position on this post in one statement?
 
I don't see anywhere it talks about the "gift of free will",
We have been given life, and hence Free Will by way of illustration.

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.​
(Genesis 2:19 KJV)​

Furthermore,

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.​
(Genesis 1:27 KJV)​

I doubt that anyone sane would claim that God Himself doesn't have Free Will, and so we are left with the declaration that we indeed are created in the image of God (albeit with our having two genders). How could one believe that man is made in the Image of God if Free Will was removed from that image?

Rhema

As for a position statement, that might take me some time to write.
 
Thanks for the reply, So how would you summarize your position on this whole thread in one statement?

Romans 9 NIV
16It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” g18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
 
I raised you up ...
The root meaning for both the Hebrew and Greek is "woke you up" (early in the morning).

While one reads:

And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.​
(Exodus 9:16 KJV)​

The context is found three verses earlier at the beginning of the passage:

And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.​
(Exodus 9:13 KJV)​

Rhema
 
In the original post @Lavender Peace stated this question.

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The gift of free will

Theres a lot of scripture on the foundation of the world and before the foundation of the world.

Through seeking this out, did God give us the gift of freewill. Or did He choose His own people regardless of free will?
---------------------------
But to get back to the original post, what would you say @Rhema , is one statement (not one sentence , but one statement) that summarizes what your position on this is?
Having created Man in the image of God, there are numerous unstated attributes of God that are part of humanity. As an example, the Sovereignty of God would extend to the Divine Principle that no man should own another. Being made in the image of God, then, refutes and condemns slavery. There would be no need to explicitly state that God has given man the gift of Freedom.

And as God has Free Will, so then that too would that be extended to a creature made in His image. There would be no need to explicitly state that God has given man the gift of Free Will.

But as mentioned by @GodB4Us, The Fall of Adam has caused so much damage to the Pattern (blueprint) of Man, we no longer have the measure and quality of Free Will as God intended for His creation. We have been left with free will (lower case) and even that "free will" is fractured among the lower operating processes of the brain. The amygdala wars with the frontal lobe and the thoughts of man are in chaos - nearly to the point where arm chair discussions about free will are useless. Like talking about quantum mechanics with a seventh grader.

Until we establish the Primacy of the Genetic Interpretation of Historical and Biblical events, there's not much I can add to this discussion.

Rhema
 
The root meaning for both the Hebrew and Greek is "woke you up" (early in the morning).

While one reads:

And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.​
(Exodus 9:16 KJV)​

The context is found three verses earlier at the beginning of the passage:

And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.​
(Exodus 9:13 KJV)​

Rhema
Please did I ask you for an interpretation? No I did not, so grow up! And stop acting like a yo-yo! So far I have receive you do have a “handicap” and it ain’t in Golf!
 
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