The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[Christ4Ever]

Yes at all. You elevate man over God. You may want to leave it alone. You believe the lie that God loves all mankind, now you elevating mans will over the mighty purposes of God.

Nope. You simply refuse to accept that God can both love His creation and grant them free will.
This family concept is evident in how God is seen as Father, and as Son. If you were/are a parent, then you're understanding of this concept might be easier for you to embrace.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Brightfame52]

Nope. You simply refuse to accept that God can both love His creation and grant them free will.
This family concept is evident in how God is seen as Father, and as Son. If you were/are a parent, then you're understanding of this concept might be easier for you to embrace.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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You are elevating man over God, that's dishonoring to God

 

[th1bill]

1 Jn 4:9-10


9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

If God Loved all men without exception as some falsely assert, then it is His Purpose that they live [spiritually] through Christ, because He was sent into the world to be a propitiation for their sins, so if all without exception do not live spiritually, but remain dead in sin, God in His Love has failed in that Purpose, there is simply no other conclusion ! 5

You, in your assumptions, add what is not there. Scripture forbids such events. Deu. 4:2

 

[Christ4Ever]

You are elevating man over God, that's dishonoring to God

Nope. In your eyes you think so, but I am not. God is awesome to even think on us at all!!! Yet, He does, He loves us, corrects us, and even desires friendship with us!

Let Him out the box you have Him in and you'll be amazed! That's why we need eternity to even know Him!

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3 NASB20

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Brightfame52]

Rom 8:35-39

Rom 8:35-39

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Now since according to the false teachers, God and Christ Loved all men without exception, and it appears that nothing can separate the objects of their Love from their Love, then all those who shall yet hear the words of Matt 25:41

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They can be assured that while they are in everlasting torment and fire, and cursed, that God and Christ still Loves them. 5

 

[Brightfame52]

You, in your assumptions, add what is not there. Scripture forbids such events. Deu. 4:2

No assumption, I gave you the scripture, If God Loves you, you will live, Spiritually, Eternally

 

[Curtis]

If God Loves you, you will live, Spiritually, Eternally

If God loves you everyone will live eternally either in hell or Heaven.

 

[Brightfame52]

Why God hates some !

Rom 9:13

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Mal 1:2-3

2I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

3And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

One of the main reasons why God hates some is to manifest more clearly the Love that He does have for the ones He does Love. God's Love is not properly perceived, if it is not seen from the background of others that He hates ! That is God's point in Mal 1:2-3 ! They were both brothers, both sinners, yet God only Loved Jacob !

1 Jn 3:16

Hereby perceive we[Believers] the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

 

[Brightfame52]

If God loves you everyone will live eternally either in hell or Heaven.

But not spiritually. The ones in and going to hell never lived spiritually. The ones Christ Loved, God Loved will first live spiritually unto God, then forever with and unto Him in the eternal state.

 

[Rhema]

If God Loved all men without exception as false religion says, then all men without exception should by God be given [not offered] everlasting consolation and good hope through Grace !

Something that is given must be accepted.

Something that is offered must be accepted.

God, in His love for all, GAVE His Son for all.

God, in His love for all, OFFERS His salvation to all.

I am truly perplexed as to why you Reject this truth.

Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

Jn 6:44-45

If God Loved all men without exception, then all men without exception shall come to Christ ! Which we know is not true See Jn 5:40

Jn 6:44-45

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Now lets compare Ps 94:12 and Jn 6:45

Ps 94:12

12Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;

Now whom God Loveth, He chasteneth Heb 12:6

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Now who the Lord Loveth, He chastens and teaches out of His Law ! And those so blessed, come to Christ, for they are Sons or Children.

Now all that are taught of God and learned comes to Christ Jn 6:44-45.

So if all men without exception do not come to Christ [believe in Him] then scripture testimony is false. God teaches men the Law when He as promised, puts it into their hearts at regeneration or New Birth Jer 31:33

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. See also Heb 8:10;10:16. Now scripture gives only one particular seed that God promises to chastn, and that is the seed of David, a Type of Christ Ps 89:29-32 and not everyone in the world without exception, the seed of David is the same as the seed of Abraham, which means God's Elect !

 

[Brightfame52]

Something that is given must be accepted.

Something that is offered must be accepted.

God, in His love for all, GAVE His Son for all.

God, in His love for all, OFFERS His salvation to all.

I am truly perplexed as to why you Reject this truth.

Rhema

Its not offered, its Given !

 

[Rhema]

Its not offered, its Given !

If I give you something, (like a gift) it must be accepted.

Something that is Given must be accepted. Do all accept what God gives? No. But God gives to all in His perfect Love:

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.​

- Matthew 5:43-48 KJV

I still don't understand why you reject the clear teachings of Jesus.

The perfect love of the Father is that He loves all, and gives his love to all. For if you love only them which love you, what good is it? For if God loves only them which love Him, what good is that? YOUR love is to be as perfect as the love of your Father in heaven which IS to all.

That's what Jesus taught.

Why do you teach something different?

Rhema

give

1. to offer something to someone, or to provide someone with something: 2. to…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Brightone, you don't have the authority to change the words of English. Given is the past participle of the verb To Give, and as you can see above, "Give" means "to offer."

You might want to go find the correct word you wish to use.

 

[Rhema]

Its not offered, its Given !

For God so loved the world, that he gave G1325 δίδωμι his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.​

- John 3:16 KJV

To Give - G1325 δίδωμι didōmi

LINK to the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι

A. give freely, offer,​

Bright, you don't have the authority to change the words of Greek. You don't have the authority to change the words of scripture.

Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

@Rhema

If I give you something, (like a gift) it must be accepted.

its not offered,but given, and we not talking about you, but God

 

[Brightfame52]

For God so loved the world, that he gave G1325 δίδωμι his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.​

- John 3:16 KJV

To Give - G1325 δίδωμι didōmi

LINK to the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι

A. give freely, offer,​

Bright, you don't have the authority to change the words of Greek. You don't have the authority to change the words of scripture.

Rhema

Its not offered, its Given !

 

[Rhema]

Its not offered, its Given !

In Greek, the word G1325 δίδωμι means OFFERED.

Who the heck do you think you are that you can change the words written in Greek?

its not offered,but given, and we not talking about you, but God

And God chose to publish the New Testament in Greek, which is why I provided the link to the definition of G1325.

These two posts from you show the very spirit of the stiff-necked Jew. (Did you even read the link?)

God forbid that you use the words that GOD chose.

Eh?
Rhema


This thread now seems to border on the psychotic - truly - if one can just make up one's own definitions, rejecting the very words that God chose. In all love, Brightfame, get some help.

 

[Brightfame52]

A Converting Love !

Rev 1:5

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

We know it is a Myth that Christ Loved everyone without exception, simply because scripture testimony tells us that those He Loved, He washed them from their Sins in His own Blood.

That means He saved them. Having been washed from our sins is Salvation !

Now, there are many who shall die and did die in their sins ! Jn 8:21,24

Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

So how could Jesus have Loved these whom He declares shall die in their sins ? Because if He Loved them, He washed them from their sins by His own Blood !

Not only that, He also, those whom He Loved and Washed, He made them as a consequence Kings and Priests unto God, His Father, which speaks to their New Birth and Conversion ! Vs 6

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Christ's Love is a converting Love, at least the Christ I serve is ! 5

 

[Brightfame52]

In Greek, the word G1325 δίδωμι means OFFERED.

Who the heck do you think you are that you can change the words written in Greek?


And God chose to publish the New Testament in Greek, which is why I provided the link to the definition of G1325.

These two posts from you show the very spirit of the stiff-necked Jew. (Did you even read the link?)

God forbid that you use the words that GOD chose.

Eh?
Rhema


This thread now seems to border on the psychotic - truly - if one can just make up one's own definitions, rejecting the very words that God chose. In all love, Brightfame, get some help.

Its not offered, its Given !

 

[Rhema]

Its not offered, its Given !

The actual Greek word written in the New Testament means the same thing.

Why are you having so much trouble understanding this?

Do you truly think that you can rewrite scripture?

G1325 δίδωμι didōmi

LINK to the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι
A. give freely, offer,

Do you think that changing the definitions of the words in the New Testament pleases God?

Rhema