The Two Witnesses? Dreams and Visions?

[Bill]

You are proving Bill, you do not know what the ekklesia is. My faith has been tried and tested to extremes at times, that I can assure you, I believe today as much if not more than the day I first believed. It is through trials and testing we become stronger on faith.

Shalom

When this time comes , there will be many who were very strong in thier faith as you know them today . Even close friends you have now . When that time comes they will try to drag you with them , even to grab you by the arms . And you will plainly see , they are wrong . All the while , they will see themselves as being in the Lord .

 

[Brother-Paul]

When this time comes , there will be many who were very strong in thier faith as you know them today . Even close friends you have now . When that time comes they will try to drag you with them , even to grab you by the arms . And you will plainly see , they are wrong . All the while , they will see themselves as being in the Lord .

Dear Bill, I am not influenced by anyone, saved, unsaved, denomination or other.

I am the Lord's for Him to do with as He pleases. I am only ever influenced by The Word my friend. The Word is Truth, the Truth is in The Word, some we will be comfortable with some we will not be, only The Truth will set us Free Bill.

When I reply to what scripture says, I have taken myself out of the picture, it is always better to look down from the throne of mercy that to look up. God always sees the full picture on our lives. If we look from our position upwards we can easily be influenced by life and our situations and experiences.

A typical example is the thread on marriage, what is marriage in God's eyes, according to The Word. What does God consider sin, sex before marriage is sin. I have sinned, but I step outside the picture and look down, following scripture to the word and letter, I may not like what the spirit reveals, but I have to be honest in The Word, and have what it reveals. The Lord is Gracious and will forgive a truly repentant heart.

It is easy to be influenced by, a loved one in a situation, a friend on a situation, or we may have said this to someone and find we are wrong, it is easy to be influenced and the devil loves it. There are many ministers who have told lies to people and said they were being compassionate. There are many at funerals and crematorium those left behind that the person died who passed away has gone to heaven, Jesus has gone to prepares place for them. They never accepted Jesus! The lie in the word of being compassionate is actually a lie to those still living.

 

[Bill]

Dear Bill, I am not influenced by anyone, saved, unsaved, denomination or other.

I am the Lord's for Him to do with as He pleases. I am only ever influenced by The Word my friend. The Word is Truth, the Truth is in The Word, some we will be comfortable with some we will not be, only The Truth will set us Free Bill.

When I reply to what scripture says, I have taken myself out of the picture, it is always better to look down from the throne of mercy that to look up. God always sees the full picture on our lives. If we look from our position upwards we can easily be influenced by life and our situations and experiences.

A typical example is the thread on marriage, what is marriage in God's eyes, according to The Word. What does God consider sin, sex before marriage is sin. I have sinned, but I step outside the picture and look down, following scripture to the word and letter, I may not like what the spirit reveals, but I have to be honest in The Word, and have what it reveals. The Lord is Gracious and will forgive a truly repentant heart.

It is easy to be influenced by, a loved one in a situation, a friend on a situation, or we may have said this to someone and find we are wrong, it is easy to be influenced and the devil loves it. There are many ministers who have told lies to people and said they were being compassionate. There are many at funerals and crematorium those left behind that the person died who passed away has gone to heaven, Jesus has gone to prepares place for them. They never accepted Jesus! The lie in the word of being compassionate is actually a lie to those still living.

My Brother in Christ . I am only telling you ahead of time something that will happen .

As i said , your friends will try to strongly encourage you to go with them . Even to the point of grabbing your arms .

You will know it is not of the Lord , but no matter what you say , you will not be able to convince them.

Pray for your friend who walks in the Lord .

 

[Brother-Paul]

All my friends everyone I know that are Catholic believe is I have spoken.

I know there are some that are off on that track but I typically correct them whenever I encounter them and I use the scripture to do so did try to show them you know it's not the church it's not Mary it's not the Saints and it's not the Pope.

The whole focus of all included you know if you look at Marian the scripture she always focused everyone to Jesus if you look at all of the Apostles they always focused everyone that Jesus and the Catholic Church focuses all of its attention on Jesus.

Dear Bill,

This is not true and if you are a catholic you know it.

You cannot say with an open heart that the catholic church focuses ALL of its attention on Jesus, that is nonsense. Unless you are referring to the congregations focus on the Jesus idol that is looking down on them in the place of worship.

I catholic's focused all their attention on Jesus, why do they have confession to a priest, why do they pray through the heart of the blessed virgin mary?

I have gone to catholic places of worship in the past Bill, I shared in a churches together many years ago, catholics, anglican, baptist, methodist and urc, there were people in many willing to go to other places of worship (other denomination places of worship), there were a reasonable number from each group, except the catholics, they didn't want to mix, they didn't want to be influenced by any other denomination. Denominations is the wedge in the true church, which was caused by the catholics, changing to many things over the years, even after the 95 theses was made know the catholics remain stuck in the old ways, they named the building a church using the word kuriakon, which is not in the Bible, they changed the 10 commandments to take out idol worship, so they can carry on having figures of Jesus and Mary in their places of worship. The pope is not of the line of Peter, Peter was not a pope, they have created for themselves a 'religion' instead of true faith in God through Jesus Christ.

You cannot say, and mean, and be correct Bill that, the Catholic Church focuses all of its attention on Jesus

It is not true.

 

[Brother-Paul]

My Brother in Christ . I am only telling you ahead of time something that will happen .

As i said , your friends will try to strongly encourage you to go with them . Even to the point of grabbing your arms .

You will know it is not of the Lord , but no matter what you say , you will not be able to convince them.

Pray for your friend who walks in the Lord .

My dear brother,

I feel there is a log in your eye my friend.

 

[Brother-Paul]

My friend I just wanted to let you know before it happens . Most who claim to be in this group ekklesia will fail in thier faith . Of those who fall . All will join the one world church

Brother Bill,

Do you know what an ekklesia is?

Do you think or feel you are part of the ekklesia?

Do you think you will be 'in this group' as you put it?

Will you stand or fall Bill?

 

[Bill]

Brother Bill,

Do you know what an ekklesia is?

Do you think or feel you are part of the ekklesia?

Do you think you will be 'in this group' as you put it?

Will you stand or fall Bill?

I am not a part of any group . I am one who is sent . The Work God has me do affects everyone. Think of it like the rain . It affects good and bad alike .

 

[Bill]

My dear brother,

I feel there is a log in your eye my friend.

Well i do need new glasses . Thankyou

 

[Bill]

Dear Bill,

This is not true and if you are a catholic you know it.

You cannot say with an open heart that the catholic church focuses ALL of its attention on Jesus, that is nonsense. Unless you are referring to the congregations focus on the Jesus idol that is looking down on them in the place of worship.

I catholic's focused all their attention on Jesus, why do they have confession to a priest, why do they pray through the heart of the blessed virgin mary?

I have gone to catholic places of worship in the past Bill, I shared in a churches together many years ago, catholics, anglican, baptist, methodist and urc, there were people in many willing to go to other places of worship (other denomination places of worship), there were a reasonable number from each group, except the catholics, they didn't want to mix, they didn't want to be influenced by any other denomination. Denominations is the wedge in the true church, which was caused by the catholics, changing to many things over the years, even after the 95 theses was made know the catholics remain stuck in the old ways, they named the building a church using the word kuriakon, which is not in the Bible, they changed the 10 commandments to take out idol worship, so they can carry on having figures of Jesus and Mary in their places of worship. The pope is not of the line of Peter, Peter was not a pope, they have created for themselves a 'religion' instead of true faith in God through Jesus Christ.

You cannot say, and mean, and be correct Bill that, the Catholic Church focuses all of its attention on Jesus

It is not true.

Do you carry photos with you , why ?

Are those who have died in Christ dead ?

Jesus stated , at the " breaking of the bread " do this in rememberance of me . He also stated about the bread , " this is my body " the center of the Catholic service is the celebration of Jesus and all He is . And they include the breaking of the bread. The very thing Jesus asks .

Now do you break the bread with others in rememberance of Jesus ?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Brother Bill,

Do you know what an ekklesia is?

Do you think or feel you are part of the ekklesia?

Do you think you will be 'in this group' as you put it?

Will you stand or fall Bill?

I notice you did not reply to the questions Bill.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Do you carry photos with you , why ?

Are those who have died in Christ dead ?

Jesus stated , at the " breaking of the bread " do this in rememberance of me . He also stated about the bread , " this is my body " the center of the Catholic service is the celebration of Jesus and all He is . And they include the breaking of the bread. The very thing Jesus asks .

Now do you break the bread with others in rememberance of Jesus ?

At catholic mass those taking communion, are told, and they believe, the bread and the wine to be literally Jesus' body and blood, transformed from bread and wine into body and blood.

The bread and wine are symbols of Jesus body and blood, not 'actual' body and blood, or spiritually transformed body and blood for mass. They are symbols brother, which we are to do in remembrance for our Lord until He returns in Glory for his bride, his church.

 

[Brad Huber]

At catholic mass those taking communion, are told, and they believe, the bread and the wine to be literally Jesus' body and blood, transformed from bread and wine into body and blood.

The bread and wine are symbols of Jesus body and blood, not 'actual' body and blood, or spiritually transformed body and blood for mass. They are symbols brother, which we are to do in remembrance for our Lord until He returns in Glory for his bride, his church.

I am not so sure brother. It "may" be symbolic, but many of His followers left him when He said the following. I dont say this as a catholic, for I am not a catholic. But when I share the eucharist, "I" ask that the Lord share with me His body and His blood. Why would the incident even be recorded if not for the importance of the ceremony. Many left Him because of it, let us not share in that turning away.

John 6:52-58

52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

He didnt quickly explain Himself, that it wasnt His actual body or actual blood, He said what He said, and those who were true, said, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.

Unless you have scriptural proof against the bread and wine miraculously being transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ based upon the faith of the believer, why does protestants even do it.

 

[B-A-C]

Unless you have scriptural proof against the bread and wine miraculously being transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ based upon the faith of the believer, why does protestants even do it.

Do you believe that when Jesus was hosting the last supper, the disciples actually physically ate His flesh and drank His blood? Or were they eating a "symbol" of His flesh and blood?

1 Cor 11:23; For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread;
1 Cor 11:24; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
1 Cor 11:25; In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
1 Cor 11:26; For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
1 Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1 Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1 Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1 Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.
1 Cor 11:31; But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.
1 Cor 11:32; But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
1 Cor 11:33; So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another.

I would say the onus here, is to prove any of the disciples actually physically ate part of Jesus like cannibals, or actually drank His blood like vampires.
Also there was no priest present at this supper. Only Jesus the high priest. Why does that matter?

Jesus only had to be sacrificed once.

Rom 6:10; For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

Heb 7:26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens;
Heb 7:27; who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself

Heb 10:10; By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

1 Pet 3:18; For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Jesus said do this "in remembrance" of Me. He never said keep sacrificing Me over and over again. Why does the RCC even have priests. The same reason the Jews of the OT did.

Lev 17:5; The reason is so that the sons of Israel may bring their sacrifices which they were sacrificing in the open field, that they may bring them in to the Lord, at the doorway of the tent of meeting to the priest, and sacrifice them as sacrifices of peace offerings to the Lord.
Lev 17:6; The priest shall sprinkle the blood on the altar of the Lord at the doorway of the tent of meeting, and offer up the fat in smoke as a soothing aroma to the Lord.

The priest were the ones who did the sacrifices. Priests are the ones who do "Mass" today for the same reason. They are sacrificing Jesus over and over again.
You can't have a sacrifice without blood. But they don't believe this is symbolic blood like the disciples partook of in the upper room. They believe it literally becomes Jesus's blood.

I guess Jesus's sacrifice "once for all" wasn't good enough?

 

[Sue D.]

The RCC puts it's slant on most everything. It's God's Word PLUS the church fathers, etc.

It Needs to be God's Word Period.

 

[Bill]

At catholic mass those taking communion, are told, and they believe, the bread and the wine to be literally Jesus' body and blood, transformed from bread and wine into body and blood.

The bread and wine are symbols of Jesus body and blood, not 'actual' body and blood, or spiritually transformed body and blood for mass. They are symbols brother, which we are to do in remembrance for our Lord until He returns in Glory for his bride, his church.

When Jesus did the blessing at the table he said this is my body and this is my blood he did not say this is a symbol of my body in this is a symbol of My Blood

So I think that you need to look at it in the perspective of what the scripture States and not what you believe on behalf of the Catholics.

Because they are doing exactly what the scripture says

And if we are to look at the scripture and say to ourselves this is the word of God this is the word of Jesus this is the inspired through the Holy Spirit word of God in any case we want to look at it do we set it aside and determine what it is and what it is not do we sit there and tell God that we think that this is what it means versus what you say what it means.

Are we then God do we sit there and tell God what is right and what is wrong do we sit there on a Higher Throne like Lucifer did and say I am because I know more than God

When you condemn a whole church based on the principle that they don't understand the scripture and you yourself have not bothered to really understand that Jesus said this is my body this is my blood. Then what am I supposed to think

Shall I follow the words that you deem are correct or should I follow what the scripture States as being what is said.

Another area besides the body in the blood or the bread and the wine that needs to be looked at is also the fact that it is written in the scripture which is the word of God we're Mary says from this day forward all nations will call me blessed now we find that the Catholics refer to Mary as the Blessed Mother so when we look at that many Christians condemn the Catholics because they say that they worship Mary and yet they are doing exactly what the scripture says

Again should I follow what Christians across the globe say or should I follow what the scripture says

 

[B-A-C]

Another area besides the body in the blood or the bread and the wine that needs to be looked at is also the fact that it is written in the scripture which is the word of God we're Mary says from this day forward all nations will call me blessed now we find that the Catholics refer to Mary as the Blessed Mother so when we look at that many Christians condemn the Catholics because they say that they worship Mary and yet they are doing exactly what the scripture says

The scriptures say to worship Mary? This is a lot of twisting to reach something.
Luke 1:42; says "Blessed are you among women". I notice it says "among" women, not "above" women.

Many people are blessed, even I have been blessed. That doesn't mean people should worship me.

Luke 4:8; Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

 

[Bill]

Do you believe that when Jesus was hosting the last supper, the disciples actually physically ate His flesh and drank His blood? Or were they eating a "symbol" of His flesh and blood?

1 Cor 11:23; For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread;
1 Cor 11:24; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
1 Cor 11:25; In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
1 Cor 11:26; For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
1 Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1 Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1 Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1 Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.
1 Cor 11:31; But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.
1 Cor 11:32; But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
1 Cor 11:33; So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another.

I would say the onus here, is to prove any of the disciples actually physically ate part of Jesus like cannibals, or actually drank His blood like vampires.
Also there was no priest present at this supper. Only Jesus the high priest. Why does that matter?

Jesus only had to be sacrificed once.

Rom 6:10; For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

Heb 7:26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens;
Heb 7:27; who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself

Heb 10:10; By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

1 Pet 3:18; For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Jesus said do this "in remembrance" of Me. He never said keep sacrificing Me over and over again. Why does the RCC even have priests. The same reason the Jews of the OT did.

Lev 17:5; The reason is so that the sons of Israel may bring their sacrifices which they were sacrificing in the open field, that they may bring them in to the Lord, at the doorway of the tent of meeting to the priest, and sacrifice them as sacrifices of peace offerings to the Lord.
Lev 17:6; The priest shall sprinkle the blood on the altar of the Lord at the doorway of the tent of meeting, and offer up the fat in smoke as a soothing aroma to the Lord.

The priest were the ones who did the sacrifices. Priests are the ones who do "Mass" today for the same reason. They are sacrificing Jesus over and over again.
You can't have a sacrifice without blood. But they don't believe this is symbolic blood like the disciples partook of in the upper room. They believe it literally becomes Jesus's blood.

I guess Jesus's sacrifice "once for all" wasn't good enough?

But there are some things that we cannot explain I'll give you an example that also with the time of Moses with the rock that was told to be Jesus that followed them around in the desert the water that came from the rock which would be life-giving water would you say that that was life-giving water or not as The Rock was Jesus

I believe that the bread was bread in the blood was blood or I mean wine but I also believe that the bread was flushing the wine was blood in the same way that we look at Jesus who is God in flesh at the same time how can a person be God and how can God be a person but yet it's it existed in Jesus who was one at the same time so the same thing would be true with the bread and the wine being the body and blood of Christ at the same time

 

[Bill]

The scriptures say to worship Mary? This is a lot of twisting to reach something.
Luke 1:42; says "Blessed are you among women". I notice it says "among" women, not "above" women.

Many people are blessed, even I have been blessed. That doesn't mean people should worship me.

Luke 4:8; Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

I don't believe I ever said worship Mary I said that Mary is considered blessed there's a big difference

 

[Bill]

The RCC puts it's slant on most everything. It's God's Word PLUS the church fathers, etc.

It Needs to be God's Word Period.

I remember years ago that it was a very strong teaching to be taught about the blood of the Lamb to be washed in the blood you heard it by all the preachers now where is that teaching gone I haven't heard that phrase used in years about the blood about the blood of the Lamb

I think people get put off by the concept of the blood and the body because they think that they're being cannibals or something like that when they're totally missing the point on the whole thing in the first place.

Jesus calls us to do this in remembrance of him he never said it was symbols of him and he says at the table he says quite clearly this is my body this is my blood

 

[Bill]

I notice you did not reply to the questions Bill.

These are the ones who consider themselves the elect of God. Those who are the elect versus those who think that they are the elect are two different groups

If you wish to become the elect of God then you must be the servant you must consider yourself the least in the Kingdom. And finally you must strive to place everybody above you strive to bring in all those who are considered the least