Those who speak against the Word ???

[Twistie]

If one speaks different then what the Word tells us would that b considered blasphemous?

How about one who claims ya need more then one water baptism?? Would they too not b guilty of blasphemy??

Twistie

 

[Hekuran]

I would say that blasphemy is in a more serious category - it is deliberately insulting God.

Saying more than one baptism is necessary might be misguided, unwise, wrong, or harmful, but not blasphemous.

For context - who is claiming anybody need to be baptised more than once?

 

[Twistie]

I would say that blasphemy is in a more serious category - it is deliberately insulting God.

Saying more than one baptism is necessary might be misguided, unwise, wrong, or harmful, but not blasphemous.

For context - who is claiming anybody need to be baptised more than once?

No one in particular I've heard many say it.. n they give excuses of why one should do it.. thos they claim they know the Word..

Soo I'm just curious if one knows the Word says one but yet because of how man is with making reasons n excuses would it b blasphemy...


Twistie

 

[Curtis]

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit

Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

(1) Baptized with water.
(2) Baptized by one Spirit into one body.
(3) Baptized with the Holy Ghost.

3 Baptisms make up the "one" Baptism.

 

[Brad Huber]

Its said in Luke 3:16


John answered and said to them all, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

I suppose someone might be thinking of this, water and fire. Many speculate what its meant by fire... but that probably what they are thinking.

 

[Garee]

Its said in Luke 3:16


John answered and said to them all, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

I suppose someone might be thinking of this, water and fire. Many speculate what its meant by fire... but that probably what they are thinking.

Two different metaphors used to represent the same unseen cleansing work of the Holy Spirit .The water of the word as doctrines that fall from above and the purifying fire.

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

H20 baptism is carried on from a old testament ceremonial law whenever a new priest had a desire to enter in the priesthood of holding out the gospel.

Its was transferred for the levi a Jew to men and woman's from all the nations of the world.

Getting wet proved nothing as a shadow it pointed ahead to Christ not seen .

On the first day Aaron's two sons decoded to make it an advantage to be venerated so they offered what is called "strange fire" or what some call a sign gift. . . I did it it proves it. God's fire as judgment consumed them both and left the ceremonial clothing without a hint of smoke . God will not share his labor of love the washing and renewing of his word with dying mankind.

No sign gifts to include H20 baptism .

Exodus 28:4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

Aarons son ministered to themselves .The ten seconds of false fame.

Leviticus 10:1-3 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord. Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the Lord spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.

He is glorified not those that take a vow.

 

[Garee]

If one speaks different then what the Word tells us would that b considered blasphemous?

How about one who claims ya need more then one water baptism?? Would they too not b guilty of blasphemy??

Twistie

I would offer. .

Like many doctrines blasphemy is two fold. Satan who turns things upside down (inspiration from earth) his lying spirit would make it all one in the same. .

Two fold. .1 . . against mankind seen (forgivable) And 2 against God not seen. . (no forgiveness.)

Blasphemy is attributing the work as a labor of love of one God the (creator) to another dying mankind (creation) It is like plagiarism

It would seem if one would add or subtract rather than divide. it could violate the first commandment have no other gods to include oneself before him not seen .

In the changing of the meaning of one word it can destroy the whole gospel .In that way in order to keep the integrity of the one author and finisher of our born again faith. He has given us two, one in respect to "one word" and the other at the end of the book of prophecy one to protect the integrity of the whole sealed with 7 seals til the end of time.(under the Sun)

Deuteronomy 4: 2 Ye shall not add unto the word (single) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(single) that ye may keep the commandments(plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Revelation 22: 18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I will offer what I call great example for our comfort. it is found in Matthew 16 .There Peter is used as a not what to do (anti) .He blaspheme against the son of man Jesus . Seduced by Satan . . . Satan using Peter as a false prophet, false apostle. Satan gave words to Peter . . "This will never happen" forbidding God as Lord , preventing the son of man Jesus from doing the will of the gospel . the key the gates of hell could never prevail against

Because dying mankind has no power The Lord put his words in the mouth of the son of man Jesus the firstborn of many sons of God (Christians) . The power of those words rebuked the father of lies as a loving warning to those who favor the things of men seen above the unseen things of God . In effect the lord declared to Satan. . get behind me (walk by my faith) not by getting behind the dying flesh of Peter

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he ( given words from the father ) turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the son of man Jesus , The father rebuked Legion (many gods) There could be no forgiveness . The lying spirit of lucifer is not subject to salvation. He is in the dark he hates all flesh .

Again two kinds. . . one hidden .

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

it would seem that false prophets as false apostles are forgivable . false prophet and false apotles that bring thier own oral traditopn of men that rise up above all things writen in the sola scriptura is not forgivable it marks the dark path .

Venerating puffing up the apostles as messengers that bring the gospel is not forgivable .God simply will not share his glory with dying flesh .

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

 

[Brad Huber]

I do believe there is 2 baptisms, the first of water, the second of fire. And although the second is the Holy Spirit (the fire), the second baptism I speak of is one of a greater amount of the Holy Spirit. Jesus gave that greater amount to all of the twelve apostles at the least and I dont doubt more also near that time. But its available to all of us who ask, if you ask with a humble spirit. If you ask because you seek the greater power(forget his name but its similar to samuel) like the magician did, it will be denied you.

 

[Twistie]

I do believe there is 2 baptisms, the first of water, the second of fire. And although the second is the Holy Spirit (the fire), the second baptism I speak of is one of a greater amount of the Holy Spirit. Jesus gave that greater amount to all of the twelve apostles at the least and I dont doubt more also near that time. But its available to all of us who ask, if you ask with a humble spirit. If you ask because you seek the greater power(forget his name but its similar to samuel) like the magician did, it will be denied you.

I probably should of been more specific but I am talking about the water baptism I've heard peep doin it ova n ova n ova again

Twistie

 

[Brad Huber]

I probably should of been more specific but I am talking about the water baptism I've heard peep doin it ova n ova n ova again

Twistie

well it dont hurt them, sort of like re-affirming your committment to the Lord as some see it, not any hurdle that all must do

 

[Twistie]

well it dont hurt them, sort of like re-affirming your committment to the Lord as some see it, not any hurdle that all must do

Idk Caus we r told One baptism one water is what I'm lead to hear.. see I know when one joins the masons one must also join the "church" n they rebaptize to bring them back into the world..

I must ponder this much much more with YH I believe


Twistie

 

[Brad Huber]

Idk Caus we r told One baptism one water is what I'm lead to hear.. see I know when one joins the masons one must also join the "church" n they rebaptize to bring them back into the world..

I must ponder this much much more with YH I believe


Twistie

sure, one water baptism is all you need, two... depending on the reason for the second, might be lacking in faith I suppose, but the Lord forgives us all the time for our lack of faith. I know someone who got baptized a second time because he was told that he had to be baptized into a baptist faith to be more deeply involved in that baptist church, that his brethern baptism wasnt recognized.

 

[Curtis]

If one speaks different then what the Word tells us would that b considered blasphemous?

Anytime a person speaks contrary to the word of God is speaking "evil". If I say something that is opposite of scripture or what God hath said he has already given me, did for me, or where he has already brought me to is speaking evil.

What that will do for me is "I will not love life or see any good days in my life"

1Pe 3:10 For the Scriptures say, “If you want to enjoy life and see many happy days, keep your tongue from speaking evil and your lips from telling lies. (NLT)

 

[Garee]

I do believe there is 2 baptisms, the first of water, the second of fire. And although the second is the Holy Spirit (the fire), the second baptism I speak of is one of a greater amount of the Holy Spirit. Jesus gave that greater amount to all of the twelve apostles at the least and I dont doubt more also near that time. But its available to all of us who ask, if you ask with a humble spirit. If you ask because you seek the greater power(forget his name but its similar to samuel) like the magician did, it will be denied you.

Greater than the Holy Spirit ?.

Why not simply the cleansing water and or fire of the living word ? Fire or water two usages to represent the one work of the Holy Spirit not seen. Cleaning as (purifying water )or water that destroys (Floods) same with fire.

Luke 9 gives us some advice The apostles at first during a series of parables, Christ had hid the spiritual unseen gospel understanding. In order to teach us today how to walk by faith searching for the unseen things of God .

One right after another leaving the apostles wondering, marveling but not coming to faith. . the end of belief or conclusion as our anchor a living hope .

On one occasion the apostles became so confused that they began a election as to "who is the greatest" with the greatest God's choice Jesus two feet in front, Jesus I would think the most misunderstood man that ever walked .His own family had great difficulty in understanding his preaching.. I think it's the reason he wept in John 20 when teaching with Lazarus .. again in Like 9 the father gave Jesus words to rebuke the apostles . another parable, and again coming to the last in that series .

This time they hoped he was literally going towards the Jewish nation because of their hatred for other nations. They demanded he bring down fire like that of Elijah when God used his cleansing fire to consume the first two groups of fifty in 2 kings 1 a fire that consumed false prophets false apostles.

Like 9: 51-55 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

And again in another discourse this time fire to lick-up the water to prevent drowning fire as mercy

1 kings 18: 24-25 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken. And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.

1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the Lord fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

Both fire and water working as one to provide a cleaning or washing called baptism .

Same tongue showing God's approval at pentecost it licked up the judgement meant for us. Both have the power of life and death.

Acts 2:2-4King James Version And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues,(gospel) as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof

 

[Brad Huber]

Greater than the Holy Spirit ?.

Why not simply the cleansing water and or fire of the living word ? Fire or water two usages to represent the one work of the Holy Spirit not seen. Cleaning as (purifying water )or water that destroys (Floods) same with fire.

Luke 9 gives us some advice The apostles at first during a series of parables, Christ had hid the spiritual unseen gospel understanding. In order to teach us today how to walk by faith searching for the unseen things of God .

One right after another leaving the apostles wondering, marveling but not coming to faith. . the end of belief or conclusion as our anchor a living hope .

On one occasion the apostles became so confused that they began a election as to "who is the greatest" with the greatest God's choice Jesus two feet in front, Jesus I would think the most misunderstood man that ever walked .His own family had great difficulty in understanding his preaching.. I think it's the reason he wept in John 20 when teaching with Lazarus .. again in Like 9 the father gave Jesus words to rebuke the apostles . another parable, and again coming to the last in that series .

This time they hoped he was literally going towards the Jewish nation because of their hatred for other nations. They demanded he bring down fire like that of Elijah when God used his cleansing fire to consume the first two groups of fifty in 2 kings 1 a fire that consumed false prophets false apostles.

Like 9: 51-55 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

And again in another discourse this time fire to lick-up the water to prevent drowning fire as mercy

1 kings 18: 24-25 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken. And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.

1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the Lord fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

Both fire and water working as one to provide a cleaning or washing called baptism .

Same tongue showing God's approval at pentecost it licked up the judgement meant for us. Both have the power of life and death.

Acts 2:2-4King James Version And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues,(gospel) as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof

There is the gift of the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit enters and joins with our spirit and there is the greater infilling of the Holy Spirit, when you are chosen (for various reasons why) to receive an extra portion to serve some special purpose the Lord might have for you. And when you get that extra, you can depend on going through plenty of fire in your life, thats why it can be seen with those with special eyes to see the tounges of flame.

 

[Soyeong]

If one speaks different then what the Word tells us would that b considered blasphemous?

How about one who claims ya need more then one water baptism?? Would they too not b guilty of blasphemy??

Twistie

Acts 19:3-5 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Do you think that it was blasphemy for them to be immersed a second time?

 

[Twistie]

Acts 19:3-5 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Do you think that it was blasphemy for them to be immersed a second time?

Baptism didn't happen until Yeshua came tho.. so none couldn't have been baptized by water yet...

Twistie

 

[Soyeong]

Baptism didn't happen until Yeshua came tho.. so none couldn't have been baptized by water yet...

Twistie

Ritual immersion in water was a daily practice in Judaism.

 

[Twistie]

Ritual immersion in water was a daily practice in Judaism.

I don't see that anywhere in the Word.. Imma seek sum more...
Can u tell me where in the OT He speaks of baptism
Twistie

 

[Garee]

There is the gift of the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit enters and joins with our spirit and there is the greater infilling of the Holy Spirit, when you are chosen (for various reasons why) to receive an extra portion to serve some special purpose the Lord might have for you. And when you get that extra, you can depend on going through plenty of fire in your life, thats why it can be seen with those with special eyes to see the tounges of flame.

Grace is the extra portion the whipped cream topping.

All receive the same reward "eternal life".

No hierarchy in the family of God .The first will be last .

Nothing can be added to Grace the "extra portion". . nothing given to the lost . . .they have no extra

It is. . what does anyone have that they have not received freely from the lord and if so why boast as if not.?