Those who speak against the Word ???

[Garee]

Ya proved nothing... we see different u believe water is no value I believe her spirit is alive n strong.. u claim the water profit nothing yet it is written she is in agreement with the spirit..

Hi Thanks for the reply,

Not a salvation issue . . More of how can we hear what the Spirit says to the churches .(Christians)

Again I did not say no value. I did say nothing that could profit as gain or value. . Shadows look ahead or look back . we must be careful how we hear what the Holy Spirt says to the churches .

It would seem God who dwells outside of time restrains is in the business of moving shadows . . all leading toward the last day under the Sun . Then the cloud will be lifted and the glory of God revealed fully.

2 Kings 20:9-11 And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the Lord, that the Lord will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees?And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the Lord: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

I would offer in that same way a thousand years is as if one day .God moves the shadows as clouds of his Holy presence. It would seem to reflect the song as prophecy given to us below in respect to the previous chapter.


King James Version Exodus 15:1-2 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.


Exodus 14: 19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night. And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit removing the shadows of doubt. .gave life to one . . remained a shadow of dying to the other.

 

[Twistie]

Hi Thanks for the reply,

Not a salvation issue . . More of how can we hear what the Spirit says to the churches .(Christians)

Again I did not say no value. I did say nothing that could profit as gain or value. . Shadows look ahead or look back . we must be careful how we hear what the Holy Spirt says to the churches .

It would seem God who dwells outside of time restrains is in the business of moving shadows . . all leading toward the last day under the Sun . Then the cloud will be lifted and the glory of God revealed fully.

2 Kings 20:9-11 And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the Lord, that the Lord will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees?And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the Lord: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

I would offer in that same way a thousand years is as if one day .God moves the shadows as clouds of his Holy presence. It would seem to reflect the song as prophecy given to us below in respect to the previous chapter.


King James Version Exodus 15:1-2 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.


Exodus 14: 19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night. And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit removing the shadows of doubt. .gave life to one . . remained a shadow of dying to the other.

If one don't profit then what value is there you r not making no sense to me its like your like the waves swooshin back n forth it doesn't profit but there's value or there's no value n yet it profits your words boggle me it can't b both ways either the Words YH give n what He does tells us to do either profits or not.. I believe He has a reason for all He speaks I considers nothing He tells us is moot..


Twistie

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I don't ask I trust Him idk I don't need a reason for He has gone over n above the amount of grace He has gave me for the wretched soul that I was...



Twistie

I trust Him too, otherwise I would not listen to Him....But I am a curious fellow. I like to ask questions.

 

[Garee]

If one don't profit then what value is there you r not making no sense to me its like your like the waves swooshin back n forth it doesn't profit but there's value or there's no value n yet it profits your words boggle me it can't b both ways either the Words YH give n what He does tells us to do either profits or not.. I believe He has a reason for all He speaks I considers nothing He tells us is moot..


Twistie

I think we are speaking of words that can profit " the unseen things of God" words of faith. The beginning. . "let there be" and as a testimony to the unseen "it was good" the temporal seen . Called the law of faith .the law of believing not the law of seeing the temporal. .

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law
Christians I believe walk or understand God not seen by the temporal seen not as the temporal seen.
I would offer what I call a 20/20 prescription needed to rightly divide the parables of Christ .

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

H20 a rudiment of this world as that seen evaporates. It is used to reflect in ceremonies as a sign to the unbelieving world the glory of the unseen . The reflection is not the literal source anymore than the Moon is the source of the light of the Sun. The unbelieving Jew turned things upside down like that it took away His understanding by giving them one seen .it can be called the abomination of desolation making God's word desolate of the meaning intended

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

 

[Twistie]

I think we are speaking of words that can profit " the unseen things of God" words of faith. The beginning. . "let there be" and as a testimony to the unseen "it was good" the temporal seen . Called the law of faith .the law of believing not the law of seeing the temporal. .

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law
Christians I believe walk or understand God not seen by the temporal seen not as the temporal seen.
I would offer what I call a 20/20 prescription needed to rightly divide the parables of Christ .

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

H20 a rudiment of this world as that seen evaporates. It is used to reflect in ceremonies as a sign to the unbelieving world the glory of the unseen . The reflection is not the literal source anymore than the Moon is the source of the light of the Sun. The unbelieving Jew turned things upside down like that it took away His understanding by giving them one seen .it can be called the abomination of desolation making God's word desolate of the meaning intended

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Like I said we see differences I learn from YH not man man is all ova the place u wanna claim water is of no purpose YH has a purpose for everything ..
Why is it people like to try n force others t9 see how they see yet claim moot to what others see n are taught by the Spirit is beyond me..

U see different then I.. am I trying to force u or convince u too see my way nope I take ya for where ur at.. I sure wish people would do the same with me..

What u claim is nothing I see as much

I'm tired n very weary I am not gonna go tit for tat I have no energy for it n ita fruitless..

I hope one day u too can learn to accept people for where they r at
Like I accept where u r

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

I trust Him too, otherwise I would not listen to Him....But I am a curious fellow. I like to ask questions.

I ask YH many questions but I don't question why He wants what He wants..

Twistie

 

[Garee]

Like I said we see differences I learn from YH not man man is all ova the place u wanna claim water is of no purpose YH has a purpose for everything ..
Why is it people like to try n force others t9 see how they see yet claim moot to what others see n are taught by the Spirit is beyond me..

U see different then I.. am I trying to force u or convince u too see my way nope I take ya for where ur at.. I sure wish people would do the same with me..

What u claim is nothing I see as much

I'm tired n very weary I am not gonna go tit for tat I have no energy for it n ita fruitless..

I hope one day u too can learn to accept people for where they r at
Like I accept where u r

Twistie

Thanks Accepting is not agreeing the bible says there must be differences as private interpretations or person commentaries of what others think the Bible is teaching His kingdom is not of this world the temporal dying things seen..

Again I did not say no purpose but did say did not could not profit. We look to the unseen the thing that can profit.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I ask YH many questions but I don't question why He wants what He wants..

Twistie

That's you, my friend...

 

[Twistie]

Thanks Accepting is not agreeing the bible says there must be differences as private interpretations or person commentaries of what others think the Bible is teaching His kingdom is not of this world the temporal dying things seen..

Again I did not say no purpose but did say did not could not profit. We look to the unseen the thing that can profit.

Yes we totally disagree everything YH tells His children we do profit from it regardless if one can see it or not .. n im pretty sure YH doesn't need man to interpret for Him js

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

That's you, my friend...

Ya I know I ain't question my parents either tho..
Many need reasons why I don't I trust Him.. idk

Twistie

 

[Garee]

Yes we totally disagree everything YH tells His children we do profit from it regardless if one can see it or not .. n im pretty sure YH doesn't need man to interpret for Him js

Twistie

Who said anything about man's interpretation? It would seem you are denying his interpretation ? He is the one that says the things seen the temporal profit for nothing ?

His flesh profits for zero suratly H20 follows

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

Why would anyone hope it could profit rather than His Spirit that did? Whats the hope in the things seen ?

 

[Twistie]

Who said anything about man's interpretation? It would seem you are denying his interpretation ? He is the one that says the things seen the temporal profit for nothing ?

His flesh profits for zero suratly H20 follows

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

Why would anyone hope it could profit rather than His Spirit that did? Whats the hope in the things seen ?

Ur talking about flesh I'm talking about spirit... Like I said you make no sense to me saying what YH says don't profit his children then ya say it does or it don't matter ur all ova the place idk why u keep forcing the matter like ur determined for me to see what u see I see what u see that's what ya ain't getting but I see also what u don't...

Like I said I ain't trying to force u to see what I see I accept ya right where u are at why can you not do the same??..

I told ya from the start we don't see the same yet u push n push like many christians do...

So for third time imma say we don't see the same...

Fyi YH teaches me

N u the one who was taking about interpretation or commentary or what Eva.. smh

I really don't get peep sometimes badgering is not cool trying to force peep to see ur way is not cool n if ya did this to one who is only thinking about seeing the Lord ya would chas them away... Is

Twistie

 

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Subject Headiing:- 'Those who speak against the Word ???'
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'Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.'
(2Ti 2:15)

* Lots of love, in Christ Jesus, to you Twistie.

As I read through your thread my mind goes to 2 Timothy 2:15, and the chapter that surrounds it, and I see Timothy surrounded by those who strive about words to no profit (v.14), engaging in profane and vain babblings. Paul therefore instructs Timothy to rise above such things, and show himself to be one who works hard to show himself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to feel ashamed, having rightly divided the Word of Truth.

There is no criticism here directed to those who have engaged with you in this thread, each has expressed their understanding of what the Scripture says in regard to the subject heading, but ultimately it is for each one to do as Paul directs Timothy, if he would be approved of God.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Garee]

Ur talking about flesh I'm talking about spirit... Like I said you make no sense to me saying what YH says don't profit his children then ya say it does or it don't matter ur all ova the place idk why u keep forcing the matter like ur determined for me to see what u see I see what u see that's what ya ain't getting but I see also what u don't...

God is not a man he is not made up of the rudiments of this world n any way shape or form .

I am talking about both flesh and spirit . . the flesh the things seen the temporal and the Eternal unseen things not seen the Spirit. One profits the other profits for zero.

Yes, flesh as a rudiment of this world just as H20. His Holy Spirit is not a rudiment of this world .His Holy Spirit does profit. John 6 makes it very clear.

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Believing God profits.

No one is trying to force. If you cannot see the flesh as a rudiment of this world does not profit in the same way as water another rudiment of this world that we cannot know Christ after. We know his powerful Spirit alone profits .

Water a rudiment of this world can get the flesh another rudiment wet until it evaporates

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Christ profits .

 

[Garee]

Yes we totally disagree everything YH tells His children we do profit from it regardless if one can see it or not .. n im pretty sure YH doesn't need man to interpret for Him js

Twistie

Yes God is not a man he needs no man. The dying flesh of mankind under the judgement of death (appointed for all to die once).

Jesus our brother in the lord , his dying flesh profits for nothing. His Father that works in the Son of man alone is the infallible interpreter.

He declares what profits and what has no values as a shadow

Study the use and purpose of "ceremonial laws" shadows of the unseen substances (The Holy Spirit) .They are necessary as a sign to the world not a sign to the church. I did it, it proves I am a Christian . by getting wet. no spiritual value in getting wet

No signs were given . it's a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that does seek after the temporal things seen as a sign

.Believers have prophecy the living word that does profit. No need for signs to wonder wonder wonder after .

 

[Twistie]

Yes God is not a man he needs no man. The dying flesh of mankind under the judgement of death (appointed for all to die once).

Jesus our brother in the lord , his dying flesh profits for nothing. His Father that works in the Son of man alone is the infallible interpreter.

He declares what profits and what has no values as a shadow

Study the use and purpose of "ceremonial laws" shadows of the unseen substances (The Holy Spirit) .They are necessary as a sign to the world not a sign to the church. I did it, it proves I am a Christian . by getting wet. no spiritual value in getting wet

No signs were given . it's a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that does seek after the temporal things seen as a sign

.Believers have prophecy the living word that does profit. No need for signs to wonder wonder wonder after .

God is not a man he is not made up of the rudiments of this world n any way shape or form .

I am talking about both flesh and spirit . . the flesh the things seen the temporal and the Eternal unseen things not seen the Spirit. One profits the other profits for zero.

Yes, flesh as a rudiment of this world just as H20. His Holy Spirit is not a rudiment of this world .His Holy Spirit does profit. John 6 makes it very clear.

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Believing God profits.

No one is trying to force. If you cannot see the flesh as a rudiment of this world does not profit in the same way as water another rudiment of this world that we cannot know Christ after. We know his powerful Spirit alone profits .

Water a rudiment of this world can get the flesh another rudiment wet until it evaporates

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Christ profits .

Smh

Once again Christian badgering I see why my pops don't believe in YH frfr...
You see scientific elements you still see with eyes of flesh like I said I see what u don't.. but I expect u to keep badgering nothing new
Twistie

 

[Garee]

Smh

Once again Christian badgering I see why my pops don't believe in YH frfr...
You see scientific elements you still see with eyes of flesh like I said I see what u don't.. but I expect u to keep badgering nothing new
Twistie

Who is your pops ?

Sharing one's bread is not bagering .

Remember Christ not a man.

The inspired words in respect to the dying flesh it profits for nothing .(John 6)

Why make that law (John 6 flesh profits for zero ) without effect so that you can accredit the things of the flesh above the invisible things of God.

We do not know Christ after the rudiments of this world . He cannot be found under a microscope or seen through a telescope

 

[Twistie]

Who is your pops ?

Sharing one's bread is not bagering .

Remember Christ not a man.

The inspired words in respect to the dying flesh it profits for nothing .(John 6)

Why make that law (John 6 flesh profits for zero ) without effect so that you can accredit the things of the flesh above the invisible things of God.

We do not know Christ after the rudiments of this world . He cannot be found under a microscope or seen through a telescope

Your not sharing dude ur badgering I mean u didn't see the four time I've said nicely we don't see the same? Yet you go on n on like what is up with you kinda of peep?? Is it that important to you to force u opinion ova n ova on someone until they say ok u right I agree? It ain't happening here..

Let try this in another form

Let this rest I just asked about talking against the Word not get badgered.. peep that do that make me not wanna deal with any Christians cause at least a good 50 is like you.. dude r you purposely wanting to chase people away from the Lord n from trying to b sharpened? I'm just curious cause that exactly what u are doing..

I told u u confuse me n YH is not the author of confusion

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

Your not sharing dude ur badgering I mean u didn't see the four time I've said nicely we don't see the same? Yet you go on n on like what is up with you kinda of peep?? Is it that important to you to force u opinion ova n ova on someone until they say ok u right I agree? It ain't happening here..

Let try this in another form

Let this rest I just asked about talking against the Word not get badgered.. peep that do that make me not wanna deal with any Christians cause at least a good 50 is like you.. dude r you purposely wanting to chase people away from the Lord n from trying to b sharpened? I'm just curious cause that exactly what u are doing..

I told u u confuse me n YH is not the author of confusion

Twistie

Meaning of badgering in English

to persuade someone by telling them repeatedly

 

[Garee]

Your not sharing dude ur badgering I mean u didn't see the four time I've said nicely we don't see the same? Yet you go on n on like what is up with you kinda of peep?? Is it that important to you to force u opinion ova n ova on someone until they say ok u right I agree? It ain't happening here..

Let try this in another form

Let this rest I just asked about talking against the Word not get badgered.. peep that do that make me not wanna deal with any Christians cause at least a good 50 is like you.. dude r you purposely wanting to chase people away from the Lord n from trying to b sharpened? I'm just curious cause that exactly what u are doing..

I told u u confuse me n YH is not the author of confusion

Twistie

Hi thanks for the reply/

I know God is not a God of confusion.

Now I am part of some fifty.? And You say I am trying to chase people from the lord because I give
you what the Bible declares ?

Again the Father who prophesied through the Son of man Jesus the apostle says the flesh of mankind profits for nothing.

Why would he say that if not true.? Or is it not important. that we rightly divide?

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

It offended some of the disciples they desired his flesh profit. . . as a hard saying resisting the understanding blocking their ears. It is a doctrine that offends Catholics as well as the unbelieving jew. .

It seems you support the idea. of venerating the dying flesh of mankind.

John 6: 60-61 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

God is not a man he has no flesh and blood.