Trinity

[Curtis]

The founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Charles Taze Russell, described this Jesus as having been Michael the Archangel prior to his divesting himself of his angelic nature and appearing in the world as a perfect man (Studies in the Scriptures, 5:84). For Jehovah’s Witnesses, their Jesus is an angel who became a man; he is a god, but he is not God the Son, second person of the Holy Trinity.

Martin, Walter. The Kingdom of the Cults (pp. 550-551). Baker Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

 

[B-A-C]

You also said angels can't create anything and I asked for a scripture that says that. I don't care what you think. Just give me the scripture that proves it

I didn't say that, Curtis did, but I agree with him.
Created being can't create anything from scratch. Humans can create things from existing materials, but none of us can create anything from nothing, like Jesus did.
Now, give a verse where an angel did create something from nothing.

Psa 49:7; No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him—
Psa 49:8; For the redemption of his soul is costly, And he should cease trying forever—

Psa 49:15; But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, For He will receive me. Selah.

Only God can redeem us, is Jesus your redeemer?

Heb 1:1; God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Heb 1:2; in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb 1:3; And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:4; having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5; For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Heb 1:6; And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."

The angels may be sons of God, but the Father never called any of them "My Son". Angels are not to be worshiped, only God is. But the Angels worship Jesus.

Heb 1:7; And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9; "YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."

The Father calls the Son God here, and then He says "Therefore God, your God..." Jesus is obviously God.

Heb 1:10; And, "YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Heb 1:11; THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,
Heb 1:12; AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED. BUT YOU ARE THE SAME, AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END."
Heb 1:13; But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET"?
Heb 1:14; Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

No Angel ever sat at God's right hand on His throne. But Jesus does,

An Angel didn't create the heavens and the Earth, God did.

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. <- who is the the "Him" in this verse?

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:17; He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. <- who is the "Him" in this verse.

 

[Curtis]

Not only can angels NOT create anything, Jesus was NEVER an archangel as Jehovah witness believe he was.

 

[Garee]

Angels are created beings. Jesus was the first thing created of the physical creation, but that doesn't mean He didn't exist before creation did.

Ezek 28:13; "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
Ezek 28:14; "You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:15; "You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.

God is not a man (creation) and neither is there any infallible fleshly interpreter as a umpire set between the Father not seen and mankind seen.

Angels as messengers of God that bring the gospel are called apostles .( sent ones) How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel of the father .

Jesus the son of man the chief apostle sent with the gospel given the title Michael .A query (who is like God ?) that gives a rhetorical answer .Who is like God . "no man as a creation" .therefore giving power to the gospel not dying flesh of mankind .

The Spirit of Sonship the same Holy Spirit of God that works in all sons of God . What we will be when we receive our new incorruptible bodies it is not kown. In the new creation (not rebuilt) The former things of this world will not be remember or ever come to mind.
Death which will no enter will lose its ability to destroy another whole creation. Do not or you will die.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

God is not a man (creation) and neither is there any infallible fleshly interpreter as a umpire set between the Father not seen and mankind seen.

Angels as messengers of God that bring the gospel are called apostles .( sent ones) How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel of the father .

Jesus the son of man the chief apostle sent with the gospel given the title Michael .A query (who is like God ?) that gives a rhetorical answer .Who is like God . "no man as a creation" .therefore giving power to the gospel not dying flesh of mankind .

The Spirit of Sonship the same Holy Spirit of God that works in all sons of God . What we will be when we receive our new incorruptible bodies it is not kown. In the new creation (not rebuilt) The former things of this world will not be remember or ever come to mind.
Death which will no enter will lose its ability to destroy another whole creation. Do not or you will die.

Angels are fellow servants in heaven, created to serve God and deliver messages:

Then I (John the apostle) fell down at his feet to worship him (an angel), but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God." (Rev. 19:10)

Two key takeaways from this key verse: first, angel is NOT a euphemism for a good samaritan, a church clergy, mythical flying people or Victoria's lingerie model. They are heavening beings created by God to operate the celestial bodies in heaven, in some instances they appear as adult men to send a word, and they can be mistaken as a deity for worship, such as the angel in this verse.

Second, angels function like NPCs (non-player characters) in a game, their purpose is to guide the players and fix problems. They are servants of God, exactly as this angels says. They have free will, in Rev. 12 some chose to follow Satan and thus became demons, the others continue to serve God and discharge their duties.

 

[Waggles]

JESUS is our atonement.
Only God offering himself to God as a blood sacrifice can take away the sins of the world.

Hebrews 8:1 Now in the things we are saying the chief point is: We have such a high priest, who sat down on the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
8:2 a minister of the holies, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.

Neither men nor angels get to sit at the right hand of God and become the author of salvation.
Are people here claiming that Hebrews 8:1 is indicative of a job promotion? Climbing up the ladder of rewards?

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ having come a high priest of the good things that are come, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is, not of this creation,
12 nor yet through blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered once for all into the holies, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and ashes of a heifer sprinkling the defiled, sanctify unto the cleanness of the flesh:
14 how much more shall the blood of the Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our conscience from dead works to serve a living God?

 

[Garee]

The Greek word Rhema simply means the spoken word of God the unseen author. Words seen literature or called the letter of the law. .

There are two different Greek words used to identify the word from God: Logos and Rhema . . the two words work as one.

"In the beginning was the [logos] Word, and the Word was with God, and the power of the word (Rhema) was of God (John 1:1).

"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the [Rhema ] word of God" (Eph. 6:17).

Again both working as one labor of love . The law of faith “let there be” (Logos) and it was good (Rhema)

To the law (Rhema) and the prophets the power of the law (logos) God as one word Christ spoke not.

Hebrews 4 reveals the truth when it said, 'The word (logos) did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it' (Heb. 4:2).

The Logos plus or with the Holy Spirit quickening of faith equals a Rhema or power from the Lord."

 

[Garee]

Angels are fellow servants in heaven, created to serve God and deliver messages:

Then I (John the apostle) fell down at his feet to worship him (an angel), but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God." (Rev. 19:10)

Two key takeaways from this key verse: first, angel is NOT a euphemism for a good samaritan, a church clergy, mythical flying people or Victoria's lingerie model. They are heavening beings created by God to operate the celestial bodies in heaven, in some instances they appear as adult men to send a word, and they can be mistaken as a deity for worship, such as the angel in this verse.

Second, angels function like NPCs (non-player characters) in a game, their purpose is to guide the players and fix problems. They are servants of God, exactly as this angels says. They have free will, in Rev. 12 some chose to follow Satan and thus became demons, the others continue to serve God and discharge their duties.

Hi thanks

Angels simmer back burner .Still working on it

I see that a little differently. . Messengers that some call angels are fellow servants on earth created to serve God and deliver messages called apostles (sent ones) :

Sent as a kingdom of priest, sent as ambassadors not of earth .His kingdom is not of this world ,

The words . . .I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers and therefore you must not do that who hold to the testimony of Jesus . . . It would prevent us from worshiping the flesh of Son of man jesus.

It was not setting its approval on worshiping the dying flesh of mankind. Eternal God is not a man as us.

Brothers denote flesh and blood dying mankind . Revelation 19 is not teaching worship the son of man, Jesus our brother in the lord can be worshipped..

I would offer more of worship along with, yoked with Christ. Some did experience that 33 year opportunity.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more

Lucifer as the usurping spirit was not created by God.(separate secret creation) Lucifer the false spirit of glory.. .robbing God of His glory as it is written (thou shall not or in dying you will die and return to dust ). The opposing spirit took it upon itself an opportunity. Putting his thoughts as words in the mouth of the most wonderful lustful desirable of all creatures in the garden a serpent. In effect the father of lies saying to mankind. . . “Look at my wonderful beauty surely you will not die . Look at me and live forever. Why believe in a god you cannot see?

The Lord cut of his legs he could no longer walk with God as the previous protector of God’s glory. Jesus restored it.

It reminds of Balaam the false apostle false prophet in order for the Holy Spirit to stop his madness God used an Ass used in a law displayed as a ceremony a sign to the whole world of the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that followed . . . the three day and nights promised demonstration of suffering unto death .the garden, the cross and the tomb.

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

God performed what Lucifer usurped (Gods glory) and put his words in the mouth of a Ass (Ass represents unredeemed to show us God is not served by human as a will in any way shape or form. .

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

According to the foundation of the world apostle “sent one” it could apply to the feet of the donkey beautiful feet shod with the gospel of peace.

The translation of Angelos. is messenger not angel a paraphrase giving a private interpretation personal interpretation. . . The word angel was coined purposely (misinterpreted) to add new meaning to support the idea of serving the flesh of mankind (apostles) above that which is written as spoken of in 1 Corinthians 4 . Puffed up men lording it over the faith or understanding of the non-venerable pew warmers or show time watchers .Denying the one foundation of Christ’s faith as it is written. His labor of love.. not of us.

The foundation of Catholicism venerable men a law of men passed down from the Jewish unbelieving fathers as oral traditions of men. . Like in. . . I heard it through the grape vine as a “law of the fathers” ( succession of dying mankind)

On one occasion an unbeliever (no faith) that could please God “as it is written” (sola scripture) bowed down in worship to Jesus the Son of man. Jesus refusing to take on the unseen glory of the father not seen reflected it back to its source. You could say as the moon reflects the Sun. Believers yoked with Christ children of light many stars

Mark 10:17-18 King James Version And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus as the Son of man, the chief sent one (apostle) trusted the father and did not eat of the forbidden fruit of the spirit of lies but answered. “Why callest thou me good?” It appears Jesus gave that glory back to the Lord of lords, King of kings, Father of fathers the one source of faith. . the power or labor of God. .

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Hi thanks

Angels simmer back burner .Still working on it

I see that a little differently. . Messengers that some call angels are fellow servants on earth created to serve God and deliver messages called apostles (sent ones)

See, this is why "spiritualization" is so dangerous, it causes confusion, which is the spirit of Babylon. The spirit of God is of distinction. An angel in the bible is usually a sendER, then an apostle is a sendEE, or "sent one".

One example is Isaiah in his vision -

Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?”Then I said, “Here am I, send me!”(Is. 6:8)

The "us" herein in this particular context is the Lord and the seraphim angels, they were not the "sent ones", they SENT Isaiah, who was the "sent one", proudly and excitedly exclaimed himself.

 

[Garee]

See, this is why "spiritualization" is so dangerous, it causes confusion, which is the spirit of Babylon. The spirit of God is of distinction. An angel in the bible is usually a sendER, then an apostle is a sendEE, or "sent one".

One example is Isaiah in his vision -

Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?”Then I said, “Here am I, send me!”(Is. 6:8)

The "us" herein in this particular context is the Lord and the seraphim angels, they were not the "sent ones", they SENT Isaiah, who was the "sent one", proudly and excitedly exclaimed himself.

What's spiritualization? Defining the word Apostle which you agree is "sent one"

Yes Isaiah was a apostle. All messengers sent of God or apostles. He sends them out two by two. . .even today

Apostles are angels. . . messengers of God. No secret creation of another kind other then human or mankind .

 

[Garee]

Only God offering himself to God as a blood sacrifice can take away the sins of the world.

God is not a man he has no blood. He poured out his Spirit on dead (dying) flesh .

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

What's spiritualization? Defining the word Apostle which you agree is "sent one"

Yes Isaiah was a apostle. All messengers sent of God or apostles. He sends them out two by two. . .even today

Apostles are angels. . . messengers of God. No secret creation of another kind other then human or mankind .

Angels are messengers from heaven, apostles are their counterparts on earth, how about we just settle on that.

 

[B-A-C]

God is not a man he has no blood. He poured out his Spirit on dead (dying) flesh .

Acts 2:27; BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.
Acts 2:31; he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.
Acts 13:34; "As for the fact that He raised Him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, He has spoken in this way: 'I WILL GIVE YOU THE HOLY and SURE blessings OF DAVID.'
Acts 13:35; "Therefore He also says in another Psalm, 'YOU WILL NOT ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.'
Acts 13:37; but He whom God raised did not undergo decay.

If Jesus had no blood, we are all in trouble.

Mark 14:24; And He said to them, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.
Luke 22:20; And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
John 6:53; So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
John 6:54; "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:55; "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.
John 6:56; "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
John 19:34; But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Rom 3:25; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 5:9; Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
1Cor 10:16; Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?
1Cor 11:25; In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
Eph 1:7; In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
Heb 9:14; how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:18; Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood.

Heb 9:22; And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

1Pet 1:18; knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers,
1Pet 1:19; but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ

The sacrifice and blood of Jesus to cover your sins, is THE core doctrine of the New testament, if you miss this... you've missed it.

 

[Garee]

Angels are messengers from heaven, apostles are their counterparts on earth, how about we just settle on that.

We can get a little closer.

Apostle "sent messenger" with no other meaning added. Not "sent angel" a word someone designed to change the authority of God's word and give it over to dying mankind . Angelos translated = messenger . Not Angelos translated = angel . . . a fabricated word as a oral tradition .

Messages are messages from heaven spoken to those yoked with Christ that lives in them. Like that of Philippians 2 :13 God in us working with us to both reveal his will and empower us to do it to the glory of his name or power. We have no power to raise our own selves. living in dying bodies.

Luke 22 offers a example using the phrase "there appeared an angel" rather than the father "sent a message" that strengthened the Son of man . .

The beginning of the three days and nights promised suffering demonstration in the garden of Gethsemane the demonstration spoken of in Isaiah 53 and Genesis 3:15. The father striking the Son of man bruising hs heel destroying the serpent crushing his false head .To show it is two working as one to establish the government of Christ. The unseen Father working in the Son of man in mutual submission

The sufferings was so intense that three times he looked for strength from the apostles He was denied all three time the father .The father put them to sleep to fulfill the prophecies Genesis and isaiah of two working as one, then the father awke them and they moved to the next demonstration the hill the cross and the last of three the tomb another kind of demonstration of the two. .

Luke 22:40-45 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation. And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

His sweat was as it were great drops of blood. As it were denotes a parable. sweat as a metaphor shows the Holy Spirit working with Jesus strengthening him . Spit another parable used the same way. H20 in many forms represents the work of the Spirit in us the . . good everlasting news..

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

We can get a little closer.

Apostle "sent messenger" with no other meaning added. Not "sent angel" a word someone designed to change the authority of God's word and give it over to dying mankind . Angelos translated = messenger . Not Angelos translated = angel . . . a fabricated word as a oral tradition .

Messages are messages from heaven spoken to those yoked with Christ that lives in them. Like that of Philippians 2 :13 God in us working with us to both reveal his will and empower us to do it to the glory of his name or power. We have no power to raise our own selves. living in dying bodies.

The title "apostle" has got a bad rep in the recent years, there's this decentralized apostolic movement among pentecostal churches, lots of false prophets are rising and calling themselves apostles, it's more about marketing and less about evangelizing, that's the impression I've got, so I really don't like this term. Maybe some people are genuinely called to be apostles and sent out for God's sacred missions, but for most of us, we're called to be DISCIPLES, followers of Christ, conformed to His image and offered as living sacrifice. Most Christians, particularly in America, are more like "fans" than disciples, they like to play religion without a meaningful RELATIONSHIP with Christ. As for angels, they are God's ministers, whom we have no control over. They could appear in human form, but they are heavenly beings, NOT mere mortals, we need to humble ourselves and be reminded of this fact.

 

[Garee]

The title "apostle" has got a bad rep in the recent years, there's this decentralized apostolic movement among pentecostal churches, lots of false prophets are rising and calling themselves apostles, it's more about marketing and less about evangelizing, that's the impression I've got, so I really don't like this term. Maybe some people are genuinely called to be apostles and sent out for God's sacred missions, but for most of us, we're called to be DISCIPLES, followers of Christ, conformed to His image and offered as living sacrifice. Most Christians, particularly in America, are more like "fans" than disciples, they like to play religion without a meaningful RELATIONSHIP with Christ. As for angels, they are God's ministers, whom we have no control over. They could appear in human form, but they are heavenly beings, NOT mere mortals, we need to humble ourselves and be reminded of this fact.

Hi More of a position than a title. Moved or sent by the power of the Spirit of Christ, yoked with him .

From my experience many Christians today say apostles is exclusively a new testament word destroying the foundation of the word "sent one ", or messenger using a fabricated word "angel" ( the Greek angelos) again meaning messenger what some call mistakenly angel .in order to make the word of God without effect .

Violating the law that protects the authority of the one author of the Bible God. The loving commandment is not to add new meaning to a word (single) it can take away from the intent of all the commandments(plural) .

Deuteronomy 4: 2 Ye shall not add unto the word (single) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(single) that ye may keep the commandments(plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

The word angel along with the word apostle as to there meaning as to how they both work together have been completely destroyed in order for some that venerate the flesh of dying mankind can work out another kind of gospel (no true gospel)

It can be easily seen in the use of what some call "patron saints" a legion of gods in the likeness of men communing with dead family members .There are more than 3500 and rising made official by the Popes.


Patron saints. . .Simply disembodied workers with familiar spirits bringing the oral traditions of the fathers as false prophecy sent as false apostles . They like the unbelieving Jew made the written word without effect by their traditions of dying mankind . "I heard it through the legion of fathers grapevine ". Turning things upside down earthly inspired of the devil the god of this world.

I would call sent ones "apostles" a position . The title of those sent is "disciples" . (students of the teacher) beautiful feet .

Disciples preach or prophecy the word sent by God .

There are true disciples sent as apostles today and false one just as from the beginning . Satan the first false prophet apostle bringing his false prophecy .

Genesis 3: 4 And the serpent (false apostle ) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Cain the first human used as anti-christ ( false apostle ) He murdered his brother born again Abel the true apostle sent with the gospel.

It set the foundation for the unredeemed .Just lie like Cain prompted by the father of lies .and say "I don't know where buried him after I murdered him . out of sight out of mind ( FOOLS there is no God )

John 8: 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Satan the leader of false apostles a murder from that very beginning.

Apostles are angels (messengers ) disciples sent to preach the word of God. How beautiful are their feet

No separate creation of unseen messengers . We have Christ in us he defines his words

 

[Waggles]

Jesus said in John 17:3 that his heavenly Father was the only true God, so what kind of a god is Jesus?

John 17:3 And this is the eternal life, to know thee the only true God, and whom thou didst send, Jesus Christ.
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know the true one, and we are in the true one, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

1John 1:1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we beheld, and our hands handled, concerning the word of the life
2 (and the life was manifested, and we have seen, and witness, and declare to you the life, the eternal, which was with the Father, and was manifested to us);

 

[Garee]

John 17:3 And this is the eternal life, to know thee the only true God, and whom thou didst send, Jesus Christ.
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know the true one, and we are in the true one, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

1John 1:1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we beheld, and our hands handled, concerning the word of the life
2 (and the life was manifested, and we have seen, and witness, and declare to you the life, the eternal, which was with the Father, and was manifested to us);

Yes, we cannot see God he is not a man. He revealed his power through dying mankind.

 

[paths that cross]

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I have often asked myself and looked for answers about the eternal purpose of the Lord Jesus the Anointing. these passages really explained and brought together the answers that resolved this burning question i sought for.


Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Spirit Of The Holy, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou OUT OF my right UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool.



Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit OUT OF my right UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool?

:12........ But this man, " AFTER " he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever sat down IN the right of God

:13 FROM HENCEFORTH EXPECTING UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL.

the great question is answered by going directly to the original message of the manuscripts - After his enemies are made a footstool Jesus expects that he will no longer sit OUT OF the right of God and he expects that he will sit IN of the right of God

meaning = - he was then expecting until the TIME COMES that his enemies be made a footstool - he was to then sit IN the right of God, no longer sitting OUT OF the right of God.

 

[Butch5]

It's not 3 persons making 3 gods. It's 3 persons making 1 God.

3 wheels make 1 tricycle.
the executive branch, legislative branch and judicial branch don't make three governments, they make 1 government.
an egg shell, egg-white and yolk don't ,make 3 eggs, they make 1 egg.

Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father aren't 3 Gods, they make 1 God.
But to answer your question... what kind of God is Jesus, He is the kind of God that creates everything.

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

John 10:30; "I and the Father are one."

But 3 wheels don't make 1 wheel.

The legislative, judicial, and executive branches make one government. But, they are parts of that government. Each one isn't a government in and of itself.

But, the egg, shell, yoke, and white aren't each an egg. They are parts of an egg. If each one stands alone, it's not an egg.

The claim is that there is one egg, the yoke, one egg, the shell, and one egg, the white, and these three eggs are one egg. That's simply illogical.