Trinity

[PloughBoy]

Yeah, you're here (deleted) with me, while Satan is upending everything God had created and persecuting our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't find it interesting. I find it SAD.

I could never get away for using profanity on TalkJesus! in a million years! saying the B word, matter fact I have never used the word in my whole life, My Mother would not even allow me to even think of such a term. I get in trouble on talkjesus just for speaking "Sophisticated words" let alone Profanity. My wife would never allow such language in our home. the thought would not even come to mind'

and it is ok to make that remark to Jesus Christ ,or God or "The Parakletos"

New King James Version
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people."


and what is real troubling, you spoke like that and it did not " grieve The Spirit of God that is suppose to be in you, you could have never said those words to me with the Spirit of God in you. You could speak tome like that. it is impossible to do so With the spirit of God in you

Jonathan_Gale​

you are not my brother in Christ Jesus.


King James Bible
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I could never get away for using profanity on TalkJesus! in a million years!

You can get away with trolling and spewing nonsense.

 

[PloughBoy]

You can get away with trolling and spewing nonsense.

So now The Word of God is nonsense and "Jesus Christ" is The Word of God and Now you claim He Is nonsense. Ok your call.

or better yet I am nonsense and a troll.

you have not even a oz of the fear of God in you

It is amazing the closer the day gets, the people have no fear of God anymore. No fear and trembling before Holiness. Just like the word said.

King James Bible
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

King James Bible
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?

Isaiah 66:5
Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

 

[PloughBoy]

You can get away with trolling and spewing nonsense.

I hope your call about me being is right, because if not.

Proverbs 6 NKJV
16These six things the Lord hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to [h]Him:
17AProverbs 6 NKJV proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
18A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.

I do hope your call about me being evil is right

and believe me I will be saying my prayers and I am use to praying all night long for many-years than you are old and I do not get, bored on my knees. I got children older than you, and they have said more prayers than you. while I was at their side.

 

[PloughBoy]

You can get away with trolling and spewing nonsense.

Well Tell Jesus since you have a relationship with Him, and while you are down there Tell "GOD " Too, about A Troll name "PloughBoy" how he is spewing Nonsense. He does hear your prayers right, and he answers you. and you do have personal relationship and he always hear and answers your prayers. if so what is the hold up. Get busy. and tell him about me!

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

So now The Word of God is nonsense and "Jesus Christ" is The Word of God and Now you claim He Is nonsense. Ok your call.

or better yet I am nonsense and a troll.

you have not even a oz of the fear of God in you

It is amazing the closer the day gets, the people have no fear of God anymore. No fear and trembling before Holiness. Just like the word said.

Dude, why do you keep (deleted) with me? I'm not the one who denies Jesus as God, I'm not the one who claims there are "two YHWHs", if you're really so zealous for God, go debate with them, not me, otherwise God is not nonsense, you're.

 

[PloughBoy]

Dude, why do you keep (deleted) with me? I'm not the one who denies Jesus as God, I'm not the one who claims there are "two YHWHs", if you're really so zealous for God, go debate with them, not me, otherwise God is not nonsense, you're.

then what are you trying to do, with Jesus? and I am not = cursing at you. and what does all those letters means is that something special that have some kind of code for magic spells. that has a special reaction. of something?

 

[Waggles]

Gen. 18:1 - Then the Lord (YHWH) appeared to him (Abraham) by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he (Abraham) lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men (YHWH and two angels) were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, “My Lord (YHWH), if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.

Yes and Jesus also declares this

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”
57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

 

[Waggles]

who came up with this idea of two YHWHs,

The Jews did - it was rabbinical teaching before 70AD.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Yes and Jesus also declares this

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”
57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

There are a lot of "theophanies" in the OT, which means appearance of the incorporeal God, in some occasions he appeared in human form such as Gen. 18. It would be quite reasonable to assume that he was in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve. They heard him walk and the branches move, that might not be poetic expression as most people believe, God could be really walking in the garden as a human being.

 

[Searchingtoo]

What is the correct translation of John 1 18

The New International Version translates the passage as: No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.


English Standard Version
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

Berean Standard Bible
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.

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John 3:16 New International Version For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. New Living Translation “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. English Standard Version “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Berean Standard Bible For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

I came here because so many people are misled by the tradition of the trinity. I know how hard it is to break away from a belief that you grow up with. I had to do it to be honest with myself and lost a lot of friends over it. I have no malice towards anyone that believe it but the truth is it is just wrong. Sorry if that ruffles some feathers which I can see it does.

That said, I'm not sure why you would ask "which is the correct translation of John 1:18" when you should know, maybe you don't, that neither one is correct because they have taken a Greek word that according to Strong's means this: υἱός huiŏs, hwee-os'; apparently a primary word; a "son" (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship:—child, foal, son. And changed it to God. How much more dishonest could you be. What true Christians would be so dishonest? Have you ever checked the Greek when you read scriptures?

In John 3:16 these translations did something just a bad, they left out the word the word monogenēs which again Strong's says means μονογενής monogenḗs, mon-og-en-ace'; from G3441 and G1096; only-born, i.e. sole:—only (begotten, child). Now why do you suppose they would do that?

So in John 1:18 the changed son to God and in 3:16 they left out firstborn all together. This is what I meant earlier when I said "trinity misinformation. Get yourself a concordance or Greek English Lexicon and check these things for yourself because it's obvious that you can't trust these translations to do it for you.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I came here because so many people are misled by the tradition of the trinity. I know how hard it is to break away from a belief that you grow up with. I had to do it to be honest with myself and lost a lot of friends over it. I have no malice towards anyone that believe it but the truth is it is just wrong. Sorry if that ruffles some feathers which I can see it does.

Actually I'm with you, I hold the traditional "three coequal persons in one" doctrine with a grain of salt as well, the trinity is not a "trinity god", but God, IMAGE of God and Spirit of God, by which the same God, the only true God, can appear on earth and build his church. You're stuffing God in a box by denying his ability to appear in human form. And I'm not gonna bother to repeat myself with more "proof text" if you still have a hardened heart.

 

[Searchingtoo]

Ok, I do not care how you paint God Ok, you can put a tail on him if you want too, I got my belief and you got yours. we are two different people with different brains, I got my God and you got your God, no different than the people in the Old Testament we all got our own GOD, We in the 21 century believes in our own GOD, everybody has a different GOD in this day and age, we do not believe in the same God anymore,
and everybody claiming their god is the right one, day in and day out year after year same augment,
and that is the truth,

I'd like to say this is an interesting conversation, but it has put a smile on my face. Of course, they are two angels. See, we do agree about something.

 

[Searchingtoo]

the Bible States there is only "One LORD" and There's "ONE GOD" and "One PARAKLETOS" and all three is In agreement.

But every one of us in this day and age, None of us have the Same "LORD" if it is One "LORD" there is Only One Command and His commands are not in disagreements, every body is in Disagreements none us can come into any agreement in Christ. we cannot come in agreement "One Parakletos"

Can no one of us come into any kind agreements in Christ, But we are on one Accord in worldly things, but not into the things of GOD. we all have separated and gone our own way.

We are not in Christ together we all are nothing but strangers and fight and try our best "To LORD" over one another, and we all call our selves "CHRISTIANS".. LOOK into the Mirror, deep down in our Soul, how much Christ is in there. are You FULL, is Christ Manifested in Your soul. not on your lips.

I know I am not like him, I know I am evil nothing but a sinner being shaped and molded, every moment, until my change come. then I will be just like him,
Then I will see Him as he is. I am Not Christ Like, I am a sinner saved By grace, I still am, a sinners I am not a christian, But when I see him. I will be ChristLike!

Could you give me the verse for that one lord, one god, one parakletos?

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The Jews did - it was rabbinical teaching before 70AD.

No they don't, their trinity is God, Israel and the Torah, they believe that Israel as a whole is the incarnation of God, in Isaiah 53 it was the collective nation of Israel being compared with a suffering servant - not one single son of God. That is correct in a sense, that the complete church is Christ AND His people, of which Christ himself is the head and we the body, but that completely skips his first coming, and that renders them erroneous.

 

[Searchingtoo]

the Bible States there is only "One LORD" and There's "ONE GOD" and "One PARAKLETOS" and all three is In agreement.

But every one of us in this day and age, None of us have the Same "LORD" if it is One "LORD" there is Only One Command and His commands are not in disagreements, every body is in Disagreements none us can come into any agreement in Christ. we cannot come in agreement "One Parakletos"

Can no one of us come into any kind agreements in Christ, But we are on one Accord in worldly things, but not into the things of GOD. we all have separated and gone our own way.

We are not in Christ together we all are nothing but strangers and fight and try our best "To LORD" over one another, and we all call our selves "CHRISTIANS".. LOOK into the Mirror, deep down in our Soul, how much Christ is in there. are You FULL, is Christ Manifested in Your soul. not on your lips.

I know I am not like him, I know I am evil nothing but a sinner being shaped and molded, every moment, until my change come. then I will be just like him,
Then I will see Him as he is. I am Not Christ Like, I am a sinner saved By grace, I still am, a sinners I am not a christian, But when I see him. I will be ChristLike!

Brother plowboy the truth is it's been going on for 2000 years and Jesus said it would. In Acts 20:29.30 he said "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves." This is what happened not long (relatively speaking) after Jesus' death. If you check it out you will find that first century Christians did not believe in a trinity, but the wolves were already there trying to mislead them and by the 4th century they had come up with the trinity doctrine.

You might find this interesting: (deleted)

 

[Searchingtoo]

I could never get away for using profanity on TalkJesus! in a million years! saying the B word, matter fact I have never used the word in my whole life, My Mother would not even allow me to even think of such a term. I get in trouble on talkjesus just for speaking "Sophisticated words" let alone Profanity. My wife would never allow such language in our home. the thought would not even come to mind'

and it is ok to make that remark to Jesus Christ ,or God or "The Parakletos"

New King James Version
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people."


and what is real troubling, you spoke like that and it did not " grieve The Spirit of God that is suppose to be in you, you could have never said those words to me with the Spirit of God in you. You could speak tome like that. it is impossible to do so With the spirit of God in you

Jonathan_Gale​

you are not my brother in Christ Jesus.


King James Bible
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

I too am surprised they allow that here. With you 100% on that.

 

[Searchingtoo]

Actually I'm with you, I hold the traditional "three coequal persons in one" doctrine with a grain of salt as well, the trinity is not a "trinity god", but God, IMAGE of God and Spirit of God, by which the same God, the only true God, can appear on earth and build his church. You're stuffing God in a box by denying his ability to appear in human form. And I'm not gonna bother to repeat myself with more "proof text" if you still have a hardened heart.

I'm not stuffing God in a box by denying his ability to appear in human form. I actually think there is nothing that is impossible for God to do, but from my studies of the subject (40 years of it) I can't see from the scriptures any proof that he chose to do that. In the beginning I was trying to find proof that Jesus was God but the more I studied (really studied) the more convinced I became that he is not.

What I actually think is that he sent his son (at least that's what Jesus said happened) to buy back what Adam lost.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I'm not stuffing God in a box by denying his ability to appear in human form. I actually think there is nothing that is impossible for God to do, but from my studies of the subject (40 years of it) I can't see from the scriptures any proof that he chose to do that. In the beginning I was trying to find proof that Jesus was God but the more I studied (really studied) the more convinced I became that he is not.

What I actually think is that he sent his son (at least that's what Jesus said happened) to buy back what Adam lost.

Then that's just a word game. No, Jesus was not the God in heaven, the God in heaven yelled out loud at his baptism and transfiguration; and yes, he was God's presence and image on EARTH - as it is in heaven. No one can know God through a burning bush or an all consuming fire, that would only scare them away, which was the sentiment in Deut. 18:16 -

"According to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, not let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die."

Therefore God appeared in human form to build a relationship with his people -who get to know him through his human form. If you can't see that from the Scripture, then you're just blind, and 40 years of study only shut your eyes tighter.

 

[PloughBoy]

Brother plowboy the truth is it's been going on for 2000 years and Jesus said it would. In Acts 20:29.30 he said "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves." This is what happened not long (relatively speaking) after Jesus' death. If you check it out you will find that first century Christians did not believe in a trinity, but the wolves were already there trying to mislead them and by the 4th century they had come up with the trinity doctrine.

You might find this interesting: (Deleted)

I Have retired 1977- 2015-2017, I do not want anymore of other peoples thoughts, I am tired and worn-out, Jesus is enough. and I do not want anything else, But I do thank for the the offer, I m tired of men and all of there religious thoughts and the thousand and upon thousand of different kind of teaching about about christianity. Lord knows I am tired. these people are killing me daily..

And the only comfort I get when when I obey Him in This manner, so much comfort and Joy:

Colossians 3 BSB
1Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. [my happiness and Joy is right here while I am waiting on earth for his return or death takes me, for I am ready , just like my mother, to leave from here" what a glorious day when I die and leave from here]

I do not want to hear another teacher, instructor or another sermon, or read another Book, but the Bible. it is s such a great torture to be here in this world by knowing about the next, phrase That is in Christ Jesus. "Testimonies by individuals are great to me" I love them, about Eternity and Sanctification in which is Our Inheritance. I do like other's testimonies about "Our Eternal Inheritance " O' Sweet JESUS, Glory .....Hallelujah . I am get fired up Now, O Sweet Jesus, Glory , when I get to talking About Eternity that which is far past "Heaven" I get worked Up, and My SOUl Catch The HOLY FIRE, and My Rockets go into another stage of Flight, like the Bible states " in the Twinkling of an eye! I am Gone! Can't no Church, no body of believers, no teacher, no college , no sermon, can do me Like JESUS, and He takes me There! He is not dead He is Alive in me! and The Father there is no other like Him, even those cannot Match Him in His Glory Manifesting In My Soul. for there is None like him.

Philippians 1:21 KJV
American Standard Version
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

[and I can hardly wait} just like my mother who Rejoiced with Praise When I told her she had cancer and was going to die, The hospital doctors and nurses, and Chaplins said they have never seen anything like it. "I am going home" I am so happy I do not know what to do. and me and her Praise her way and embrace death as a "Gift from GOD" Our Father into eternal LIFe, when He sounds The Horn. By Mama .I will see you at the sounding of The Horn, when The dead in Christ shall rise 1st. and I will meet you in the air.

Now this does not mean, that I will not hear another's proclamation about something, But I am an old tired old man who have not took a break in proclaiming God's Truth for Almost 50 years straight, with out a break. I do not move unless he says so, I do not desire to serve Him, "a dispensation has been given to me, too" Like many others. A person has to be out of their mind, to go in the name of Jesus! "The Via Dolorosa"

It is time to go Home.