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yes Jesus did call satan a murderer from the beginning, I have been going over the scriptures on this and I can see where you may get that angels are judge under the Ten commandments... but even though there is no direct scriptual reference to the type of judgement with which the angels will be judge I can agree that they will judge aqccording to God's Righteousness... the only thing I will say in disagreement is satan being judge according to the laws given to man, sorry... now just to be clear on this man judgement is a based off whether he/she has accepted Christ or not, true or false...?
 
got news for you we still sin that is why we are worned against not staying in constant communion with God... [h=4]1 John 1:8[/h]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
 
now just to be clear on this man judgement is a based off whether he/she has accepted Christ or not, true or false...?

Only partially true.
Our salvation is based on this, our reward in heaven is not. 1 Cor 3:13-15
 
Only partially true.
Our salvation is based on this, our reward in heaven is not. 1 Cor 3:13-15
okay so now you are referring to the Beama seat of Christ (forgive me if I spelled that wrong)... okay then we are on the same page Praise God...
 
It is very important that everyone understands the
importance of the difference between law and grace.

Any blend of the law with grace is a complete failure
in understanding the new covenant announced by
Jesus Christ to humanity.

At the heart of almost all doctrinal error and heresy
is a deficient comprehension of the Gospel of Jesus
Christ. It is and always will be what Christ has done,
not what we can do. Redemption in the blood of
Christ is a completed act, God's work of Love for
us.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord.


A gift is only free when there are no conditions attached.
You cannot be saved by an amalgamation of the cross
and works which many churches proclaim. This is pure
heresy, an attack upon the free gift of eternal life granted
to us by God himself.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that
not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;


Our salvation is not dependent on our ability to conform
to any standard, it is a gift freely bestowed in love to us who
believe. By Grace not by works, you are not saved by
compliance with any law or standard. Not of yourselves.

Legalism always attempts to wear the mask of grace.
Legalism will always add condition(s) to the Gospel.
Legalism is the very heart of the unregenerate soul.
Legalism lacks the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Legalism is not what Christ has done but what you
can do to receive salvation.

1 Corinthians 2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ,
and Him crucified.


Let go of every other thought and focus only on the
crucified Christ. God will take care of the rest as
He has already proclaimed.
 
Grave is nothing new. There was alot of grace back then in the OT. So why is grace such a big thing now. Jesus interceted at the very begginning of time when Adam and Eve fell. Who represented the lamb that was slain?. In every sanctuary service daily there was alot of Ttremendous grace. How about the Day of Atonement when everyone was given grace?

Can i ask you guys a sincere question? Why now people are coming out with this we live under grace and not the law when i showed u that all throughtout the OT. As disobedient all of Gods people were back then and God didnt instantly kill them, was that not grace? Grace was always there and will always be there vause we serve a Great God. Same as the Law will always be there.

Just that in everry generation people always go o the extreme on either end. Either only living by grace with no obedience to the Law or living by the law and forgetting about grace. We have to have both. Thats what James pretty much said in the book of James.
 
It is very important that everyone understands the
importance of the difference between law and grace.

Any blend of the law with grace is a complete failure
in understanding the new covenant announced by
Jesus Christ to humanity.

At the heart of almost all doctrinal error and heresy
is a deficient comprehension of the Gospel of Jesus
Christ. It is and always will be what Christ has done,
not what we can do. Redemption in the blood of
Christ is a completed act, God's work of Love for
us.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord.


A gift is only free when there are no conditions attached.
You cannot be saved by an amalgamation of the cross
and works which many churches proclaim. This is pure
heresy, an attack upon the free gift of eternal life granted
to us by God himself.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that
not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;


Our salvation is not dependent on our ability to conform
to any standard, it is a gift freely bestowed in love to us who
believe. By Grace not by works, you are not saved by
compliance with any law or standard. Not of yourselves.

Legalism always attempts to wear the mask of grace.
Legalism will always add condition(s) to the Gospel.
Legalism is the very heart of the unregenerate soul.
Legalism lacks the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Legalism is not what Christ has done but what you
can do to receive salvation.

1 Corinthians 2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ,
and Him crucified.


Let go of every other thought and focus only on the
crucified Christ. God will take care of the rest as
He has already proclaimed.
I agree accept for won thing brother I choose to focus on the RISEN CHRIST...
 
Grave is nothing new. There was alot of grace back then in the OT. So why is grace such a big thing now. Jesus interceted at the very begginning of time when Adam and Eve fell. Who represented the lamb that was slain?. In every sanctuary service daily there was alot of Ttremendous grace. How about the Day of Atonement when everyone was given grace?

Can i ask you guys a sincere question? Why now people are coming out with this we live under grace and not the law when i showed u that all throughtout the OT. As disobedient all of Gods people were back then and God didnt instantly kill them, was that not grace? Grace was always there and will always be there vause we serve a Great God. Same as the Law will always be there.

Just that in everry generation people always go o the extreme on either end. Either only living by grace with no obedience to the Law or living by the law and forgetting about grace. We have to have both. Thats what James pretty much said in the book of James.
okay understand your confusion.... first off OT grace is different then NT grace... Ot grace was given to those God deemed worthy of it by there obedience to the law... where NT grace is given freely to all without the expectation from God to try and obey the law... now in James he is not talking about holding the law he talking about faith in action... now I want you to tell me who was the law given to???
 
okay understand your confusion.... first off OT grace is different then NT grace... Ot grace was given to those God deemed worthy of it by there obedience to the law... where NT grace is given freely to all without the expectation from God to try and obey the law... now in James he is not talking about holding the law he talking about faith in action... now I want you to tell me who was the law given to???

After killing Bathsheba's husband, I doubt that David got grace because it was given to those who God deemed worthy through their obedience to the law. David had broken the law through murder, but nevertheless he received forgiveness because he understood the grace and mercy of God -apart from the law.
 
After killing Bathsheba's husband, I doubt that David got grace because it was given to those who God deemed worthy through their obedience to the law. David had broken the law through murder, but nevertheless he received forgiveness because he understood the grace and mercy of God -apart from the law.
okay David only recieved forgivness after he reconized his wrong and for him to see this he had to be punished by God... now God knew the desires of Davids heart this is why David recieved forgiveness... now if you look at Saul God pulled His Spirit from him and in doing so Saul fell out of the grace of God... once again who was the law given to???
 
No doubt, God certainly considers the Mosaic Covenant an inferior one. Read Hebrews 8 to see why. Please make note by reading the chapter previous that the "Priest" referred to here is indeed Jesus (emphasis mine):

Hebrews 8
1 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,2 a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.3 For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer.4 Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law.5 They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, "See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain."6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant He mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
8 For he finds fault with them when he says:
"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more."
13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming

I agree.
And never said anything against that, and the New is better, because as Jesus said i will put my Laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts.
 
Hello jason, the law was in effect way before God spoke them. There are many, many texts before being given in Exodus chpt.20. Just a few are Abraham knowimg he lied about Sarah, Joseph not commiting adultery with Potiphars wife, Exodus 16 is a very good one aboit the Sabbath(4th Commandment ) being in effect before Ex.20, Cain killing his brother, Cain knew he did wrong, etc...

Now tell me people how did each of these people and many more knew they did wrong, without eber knowing about the Commandments?
 
If the law was in effect way before Mt Sinai,
how do you explain the following bgsda?

Romans 512 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world,
and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
13
for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had
not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.



Until the law, Paul says, sin is not imputed when there is no law.
 
If the law was in effect way before Mt Sinai,
how do you explain the following bgsda?


Romans 5

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
13
for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.


Until the law, Paul says, sin is not imputed when there is no law.
 
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Hello jason, the law was in effect way before God spoke them. There are many, many texts before being given in Exodus chpt.20. Just a few are Abraham knowimg he lied about Sarah, Joseph not commiting adultery with Potiphars wife, Exodus 16 is a very good one aboit the Sabbath(4th Commandment ) being in effect before Ex.20, Cain killing his brother, Cain knew he did wrong, etc...

Now tell me people how did each of these people and many more knew they did wrong, without eber knowing about the Commandments?
[h=4]Romans 2:14[/h]for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves... this is why they naturally obeyed the law... the was not given until God gave it to Moses... and the law was for the Jews...
 
If the law was in effect way before Mt Sinai,
how do you explain the following bgsda?


Romans 5

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
13
for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.


Until the law, Paul says, sin is not imputed when there is no law.

My do people use this verse as some comfort or protection against the commandments? That isn't what it says here at all.
It says even though the Gentiles didn't know the Law they will still be condemned to destruction. Rom 2:12

(GW) Here's the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws from God and sins will still be judged by them.

(AMP) All who have sinned without the Law will also perish without [regard to] the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged and condemned by the Law.
(ASV) For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
(KJV) For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
(NASB) For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

(NLT) When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the Jews, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.

If you don't know the law, you better learn it. It can't save you. ( Rom 3:20 )
Rom 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
But it will show you what you need to be saved from. What sin is, and why you need a savior.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

John 14:6 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
The verse above doesn't say PART or SOME of the people will come through me.

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

I mean, really think about it.
Some will come to God by Mohammed and Allah? Some will come by Moroni and Joseph Smith? Some will come by the Pope and the 'Mother of God'?
Some will come by Atheism? Some will come by Buddha? Some will come by astrology?
If this is true, why do we need Christianity?
 
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But it will show you what you need to be saved from. What sin is, and why you need a savior.

Your quote above is exactly right BAC!!! Alleluia!

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

With or without the Law all are sinners. It is for this very reason that in Evangelism, the use of the Law which the Holy Spirit uses to convict the individual of their sin, is so effective. For only an acknowledged sinner will able to repent. This prepares the soil of their hearts for the Words of Salvation which is the Gospel!
YBIC
C4E
 
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Also, remember the Bible is completely astrological. This is fact. And needs to be addressed more here on this site.

The milk is good for children. But the meat is the actual TRUTH of the Bible.

Psalms 84:11 "For The Lord God is a Sun"
John 1:5 "God is light"

Jesus is a metaphor for the Sun.
 
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Why do people always quote Paul in threads like these?
Also, remember the Bible is completely astrological. This is fact. And needs to be addressed more here on this site.

The milk is good for children. But the meat is the actual TRUTH of the Bible.

Psalms 84:11 "For The Lord God is a Sun"
John 1:5 "God is light"

Jesus is a metaphor for the Sun.
we quote the writings of Paul who was guided to write these letters by the Holy Spirit for our teaching...
 
David you love the book of Rom especially cpt 3-6. Why?. Back to your last point, i disagree. Watch how easy it is to take something out of the Word of God and twist it. So you take that verse to mean that no one sinned before the Law was given, ill prove you wrong. Read 2Peter 2:4.

Please try to remember the definition of sin?1John 3:4/ Rom7:7/ James 2:12
 
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