What if you die tonight?

[Shaolin]

In your interpretation, you mean, that does not apply to the scripture that i spoke of.

First of all...

Job 15:34
For the company of the godless is barren, and fire consumes the tents of bribery.

Job 31:12
for that would be a fire that consumes as far as Abaddon, and it would burn to the root all my increase.

Psalms 83:14
As fire consumes the forest, as the flame sets the mountains ablaze,

Isaiah 9:18
For wickedness burns like a fire; it consumes briers and thorns; it kindles the thickets of the forest, and they roll upward in a column of smoke.

Isaiah 47:14
Behold, they are like stubble; the fire consumes them; they cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame. No coal for warming oneself is this, no fire to sit before!

Revelation 11:5
And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed.

There is no verse in all of the Bible that says what you claim. Now, you may not read the ESV but some other version, so if you have a version that says what you claim, then by all means post it. Until then, you have shot yourself in the foot from the very beginning...of course, also - unless you read a bastardized version of Scripture that has "books" in it that are not actually part of the real Bible. Do you read the Urantia bible, Bill?

Second of all...no, it is not "my interpretation," it is what Scripture says, but nice far flung try...

You never did answer to all the lies people are taught . Neither confirm nor deny them.

Do you agree with the rapture theory, that there is a rapture before the return of Jesus.

Do you agree with the thinking Catholics are not Christians, and should be condemned.

Are you ok with taking the Mark of the Beast, Being someine who is saved , is it ok to take the Mark for the sake of others?

Apparently your reading comprehension is off again. I answered your nonsense, unbiblical statement about the Rapture and Catholics...I did not answer the mark of the beast, so I will do that here. Scripture is clear - just as it is regarding the Rapture and who are true believers walking with God in Christ - anyone...ANYONE...who takes the mark of the beast has purchased for themselves a one-way ticket to the Lake of Fire for the rest of eternity...

Revelation 14:9-10
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If ANYONE worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Having said that, Bill...a big problem today is that some people with lop-sided thinking say that there are things today that are called "the mark of the beast," and that is shear uneducated, unspiritual nonsense. The Scriptures are clear; the mark of the beast does NOT come into being until after the image of the beast is erected and given life to by the Beast himself. Since that day is not here, there is no mark of the beast today, it is yet to come after the church has been raptured out of the world so that God turns and gives His full attention back to Israel.

You really need to educate yourself in what Scripture actually teaches, rather than man-made nonsense from seducing spirits and doctrines of demons...it appears.

 

[Bill]

First of all...

Job 15:34
For the company of the godless is barren, and fire consumes the tents of bribery.

Job 31:12
for that would be a fire that consumes as far as Abaddon, and it would burn to the root all my increase.

Psalms 83:14
As fire consumes the forest, as the flame sets the mountains ablaze,

Isaiah 9:18
For wickedness burns like a fire; it consumes briers and thorns; it kindles the thickets of the forest, and they roll upward in a column of smoke.

Isaiah 47:14
Behold, they are like stubble; the fire consumes them; they cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame. No coal for warming oneself is this, no fire to sit before!

Revelation 11:5
And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed.

There is no verse in all of the Bible that says what you claim. Now, you may not read the ESV but some other version, so if you have a version that says what you claim, then by all means post it. Until then, you have shot yourself in the foot from the very beginning...of course, also - unless you read a bastardized version of Scripture that has "books" in it that are not actually part of the real Bible. Do you read the Urantia bible, Bill?

Second of all...no, it is not "my interpretation," it is what Scripture says, but nice far flung try...




Apparently your reading comprehension is off again. I answered your nonsense, unbiblical statement about the Rapture and Catholics...I did not answer the mark of the beast, so I will do that here. Scripture is clear - just as it is regarding the Rapture and who are true believers walking with God in Christ - anyone...ANYONE...who takes the mark of the beast has purchased for themselves a one-way ticket to the Lake of Fire for the rest of eternity...

Revelation 14:9-10
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If ANYONE worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Having said that, Bill...a big problem today is that some people with lop-sided thinking say that there are things today that are called "the mark of the beast," and that is shear uneducated, unspiritual nonsense. The Scriptures are clear; the mark of the beast does NOT come into being until after the image of the beast is erected and given life to by the Beast himself. Since that day is not here, there is no mark of the beast today, it is yet to come after the church has been raptured out of the world so that God turns and gives His full attention back to Israel.

You really need to educate yourself in what Scripture actually teaches, rather than man-made nonsense from seducing spirits and doctrines of demons...it appears.

It is sad indeed .

I am glad you agree with me on the Mark of the Beast.

The rest will just have to play itself out .

Hard to stand alone against so many willing participants . You will as well experience standing alone , yet not alone in truth .

Your friends , family all you know will turn against you , they will follow the teachings that you yourself declared to be true . But at that very time, you will understand me . The false teaching of the rapture.

You see , the breaking of the Sixth Seal will happen, and at that time the truth will be revealed. You will see the lie i spoke of and you will stand alone against it . Trying to persuade all , there is no rapture until Jesus return.

We will be few , those called to teach the Word , the truth . It is why so many laws will be against us .

 

[Brad Huber]

but nice far flung try...

You really need to educate yourself in what Scripture actually teaches, rather than man-made nonsense from seducing spirits and doctrines of demons...it appears.

You seem to think there is no good thing that happens to the faithful concerning fire, even going as far as berating those who say there is.

Isaiah 6:6,7 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a live coal which he had taken with the tongs from the altar. 7 And he touched my mouth with it, and said:
“Behold, this has touched your lips; Your iniquity is taken away, and your sin purged.”
(here is a hot coal from a Holy fire that takes away sins, sort of like Jesus, doesnt sound bad to me)

Psalm 104:4
Who makes His angels spirits,
His ministers a flame of fire.
(I dont see God's ministers as a bad thing, you?)

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
(probably not physical fire, but its still called FIRE)

Acts 2:3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
(not so bad IMO)

I found these in a few minutes and I am no bible scholar, just looked in Naves Topical Bible.

 

[Garee]

Having said that, Bill...a big problem today is that some people with lop-sided thinking say that there are things today that are called "the mark of the beast," and that is shear uneducated, unspiritual nonsense. The Scriptures are clear; the mark of the beast does NOT come into being until after the image of the beast is erected and given life to by the Beast himself. Since that day is not here, there is no mark of the beast today, it is yet to come after the church has been raptured out of the world so that God turns and gives His full attention back to Israel.

No literal sign or mark was given to wonder or hope after . (future date) The last sign was the sign of Jonas .it was fulfilled with the Son of Man Jesus

Jesu said its a evil generation . No faith that seeks after a sign rather than following prophecy by faith .

The mark of Cain is the mark spoken of . That is why it is important to glean Genesis its has most of the foundations of the law . Cain served as a testimony of those who have no faith .

No foundations of new doctrines in the book of Revaltion .I am sure John knew it spoke of Genesis the mark of Cain

The number of man six three times. Three throughout the bible indicates the end of the matter .

 

[Shaolin]

You seem to think there is no good thing that happens to the faithful concerning fire, even going as far as berating those who say there is.

Concerning fire...interesting, please explain what you mean.

Isaiah 6:6

,7 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a live coal which he had taken with the tongs from the altar. 7 And he touched my mouth with it, and said:
“Behold, this has touched your lips; Your iniquity is taken away, and your sin purged.”
(here is a hot coal from a Holy fire that takes away sins, sort of like Jesus, doesnt sound bad to me)

Just because it has the word "fire" in the passage does not mean it has anything to do with what Bill was saying. Plus, what Isaiah experienced was a vision...not real fire, not a real hot coal, etc. We must keep the correct perspective.

Psalm 104:4

Who makes His angels spirits,
His ministers a flame of fire.
(I dont see God's ministers as a bad thing, you?)

Of course I don't...but then again, you are taking the verse out of its context in trying to 'defend' Bill's nonsense ideologies. This has nothing to do with what he is saying.

Matt 3:11

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
(probably not physical fire, but its still called FIRE)

Yes, NOT real physical fire. Here the word represents zeal for the truth and the gospel, and...again...has nothing to do with what Bill is trying to claim.

Acts 2:3

Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
(not so bad IMO)

Indeed...a spiritual manifestation of the very first time the Spirit of God baptized believers...not so bad...yet AGAIN not what Bill is talking about or claiming.

I found these in a few minutes and I am no bible scholar, just looked in Naves Topical Bible.

Yes, indeed. I used eSword word search, and it took only a few seconds. Yet...AGAIN...nothing you have brought out has anything to do with what Bill is claiming. Just because a verse has the word "fire" in it does not mean anything.

Blessings!

 

[Shaolin]

It is sad indeed .

Hard to stand alone against so many willing participants . You will as well experience standing alone , yet not alone in truth .

Most people who speak the Truth do stand alone. Here's a hint for you, you can't say someone else will not stand in truth when you yourself do not hold to truth, Bill. Trying to call the pot black doesn't make the kettle any different...

Your friends , family all you know will turn against you , they will follow the teachings that you yourself declared to be true . But at that very time, you will understand me . The false teaching of the rapture.

Your "logic" is from the flesh, Bill. There will be no church to rapture by the time Christ comes and stands upon the Mount to split it side open. You evidently follow Preterism, which is like calvinism - wrong from the very start. And neither are you a prophet of any kind...no one in my family follows Christ at all, I am the only one, so they will not turn against me in following the truth of the Scriptures. You demonstrate yourself to have a messiah complex, you sound like you need some help.

You see , the breaking of the Sixth Seal will happen, and at that time the truth will be revealed. You will see the lie i spoke of and you will stand alone against it . Trying to persuade all , there is no rapture until Jesus return.

Again, the rapture is what takes the church out of the world, and according to Scripture, it will take place sometime between Rev. 6:12 to 7:9, because after that point there will be no Christians left upon the face of the earth. Your theology has a lot of holes in it. It has problems, a lot of problems.

We will be few , those called to teach the Word , the truth . It is why so many laws will be against us .

Yes, those of you who are deceived into thinking that you know what you are talking about, when you don't, will have many things to ponder on that day. So far, I have heard very little truth from your side of the screen, just "thus says according to Bill," and that doesn't cut it. Particularly since practically everything that you have said, is not Scriptural.

I still wait for you to provide some evidence that you do know what you are talking about. I will be looking for it in the weeks to come...hopefully I will not be disappointed!

 

[Garee]

Again, the rapture is what takes the church out of the world, and according to Scripture, it will take place sometime between Rev. 6:12 to 7:9, because after that point there will be no Christians left upon the face of the earth. Your theology has a lot of holes in it. It has problems, a lot of problems.

That kind of idea comes form those who literalize ( sign and wonder seekers) the signified language of prophecy found in parables which without and especially in a book that provides the right kind of understanding as signified in its opening statement introducing it as used in the whole book

Therefore changing the spiritual understand of the word "thousand years" as if it was literal and not to represent a unknown .

Same with other metaphors (many ) in the parable (chapter 20 ) The idea of millions of people vanishing and returning a thousand years later is not a biblical teaching . God by faith works the same through out the generation. Trying to divide time periods is not a biblical tradition

We must follow the teaching instructions as signified in chapter 2:17 the hidden manna the signifies undststanding of parable. ..which without Christ spoke not


Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

[Bill]

Most people who speak the Truth do stand alone. Here's a hint for you, you can't say someone else will not stand in truth when you yourself do not hold to truth, Bill. Trying to call the pot black doesn't make the kettle any different...



Your "logic" is from the flesh, Bill. There will be no church to rapture by the time Christ comes and stands upon the Mount to split it side open. You evidently follow Preterism, which is like calvinism - wrong from the very start. And neither are you a prophet of any kind...no one in my family follows Christ at all, I am the only one, so they will not turn against me in following the truth of the Scriptures. You demonstrate yourself to have a messiah complex, you sound like you need some help.



Again, the rapture is what takes the church out of the world, and according to Scripture, it will take place sometime between Rev. 6:12 to 7:9, because after that point there will be no Christians left upon the face of the earth. Your theology has a lot of holes in it. It has problems, a lot of problems.



Yes, those of you who are deceived into thinking that you know what you are talking about, when you don't, will have many things to ponder on that day. So far, I have heard very little truth from your side of the screen, just "thus says according to Bill," and that doesn't cut it. Particularly since practically everything that you have said, is not Scriptural.

I still wait for you to provide some evidence that you do know what you are talking about. I will be looking for it in the weeks to come...hopefully I will not be disappointed!

Everything i have told you will take place just as i have said.

 

[Bill]

The consuming Fire of God is see when Elijah calls upon God , Elijah pours water onto the sacrifice. And the Fire of God comes and consumes the offering.
It is this same Fire that burns in me. It is the Living Word of God

 

[Bill]

Concerning fire...interesting, please explain what you mean.

https://biblia.com/bible/nlt/Isa 6.6

Just because it has the word "fire" in the passage does not mean it has anything to do with what Bill was saying. Plus, what Isaiah experienced was a vision...not real fire, not a real hot coal, etc. We must keep the correct perspective.

https://biblia.com/bible/nlt/Ps 104.4

Of course I don't...but then again, you are taking the verse out of its context in trying to 'defend' Bill's nonsense ideologies. This has nothing to do with what he is saying.

https://biblia.com/bible/nlt/Matt 3.11

Yes, NOT real physical fire. Here the word represents zeal for the truth and the gospel, and...again...has nothing to do with what Bill is trying to claim.

https://biblia.com/bible/nlt/Acts 2.3

Indeed...a spiritual manifestation of the very first time the Spirit of God baptized believers...not so bad...yet AGAIN not what Bill is talking about or claiming.



Yes, indeed. I used eSword word search, and it took only a few seconds. Yet...AGAIN...nothing you have brought out has anything to do with what Bill is claiming. Just because a verse has the word "fire" in it does not mean anything.

Blessings!

You said the coal was not real. Why, was there an error in the writing of scripture? Were you there? Just because a logical mind may not comprehend an actual coal burning the mouth. It is no less possible as for Jesus to walk on water.

I have heard theologians water that down too. Saying it seemed like Jesus walked on the water.

This is the human mind trying to comprehend the things of God

 

[Shaolin]

You said the coal was not real. Why, was there an error in the writing of scripture?

I explained that, if you were listening; Isaiah was having a vision. I have had several visions from God, and none of them are real physically. Do you have a problem with what is real and what isn't? It sounds like you do...

Were you there?

I didn't have to be there, and now you are arguing like a 6 year old...

Just because a logical mind may not comprehend an actual coal burning the mouth. It is no less possible as for Jesus to walk on water.

I'm sorry, but did you take your meds today? The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other...do other people you talk to listen to you when you do this? I really don't think so. Jesus did walk on water, He was in His physical body when He did so, and the water was also physical. You seem to live in a schizophrenic world of your own making and can't tell the difference between reality and what is not.

I have heard theologians water that down too. Saying it seemed like Jesus walked on the water.

That is not what I said, you are reading between the lines what you want to hear...another indication that your reading comprehension only plays with your biases...

This is the human mind trying to comprehend the things of God

In your case, yes...but not in mine. My mind is akin to the mind of Christ...that is, aided by the Spirit to understand the things of the Spirit, because I strive to walk in the Spirit and that is the result.

Have a nice day, Bill.

 

[Shaolin]

Everything i have told you will take place just as i have said.

Sorry, but you demonstrate that you are not a prophet of God. I do believe I will have to take my leave of you here on this point, because...again, you seem to believe that you are something that you are not. A prophet maybe, but a false one.

I have been on Christian forums now for over 20 years, and I have met others like you. One guy believed he was Christ himself; another believed that he was the arch angel micheal here to deliver to us what Christ couldn't. Another believed himself to be God's mouth piece to the human race for modern times...and you make statements much as they did.

Have a nice life, Bill. I will now put you on ignore mode so don't look for any responses that you might feel inclined to look for.

 

[Rhema]

The scripture States in the beginning was the word

Actually it states, "The Pattern was suffused throughout the cosmic protoplasm..."

(But of course an explanation would require a three week long translation seminar... )

 

[Rhema]

Sorry, but you demonstrate that you are not a prophet of God. I do believe I will have to take my leave of you here on this point, because...again, you seem to believe that you are something that you are not. A prophet maybe, but a false one.

He's one of the two witnesses in the book of Revelation chapter 11

And I will give unto my two witnesses: and they shall prophesy, a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.​

(Revelation 11:3 DRB)​

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.​

(Revelation 11:3 KJV)​

There was also DAKK up in Idaho and a Michael Cadry in Arizona. (Seems I'll have to guess which one of these three I'm gonna hang with )

Rhema

 

[Christina2000]

This is a little off topic, but because we dont know when our time will be up, its wise to prepare an organizational list of things to do perhaps for your spouse for things that will help them deal with all the non emotional things that must be dealt with after you have passed. I have a list of addresses and phone numbers for those who we pay monthly, quarterly, and annually in bills. That way, my wife, who lets me take care of that now, will not run into financial problems due to not knowing if I were to pass. Even perhaps a note on said list to where wills, insurance policies, etc are located.

Hi
I am new here. May I say those are very important practical things to do. Certainly I know how chaotic and bewildering things are when you lose your husband.

 

[Sue D.]

Why not include your wife in the bill paying process.

 

[th1bill]

Why not include your wife in the bill paying process.

Sue, hoping not to be seen as arrogant or rude, I must say that your reply appears to be a Radical Feminist Agenda. The suggestions given, ¿that do not satisfy your agenda, though they might not be complete, are very thoughtful and forward-looking. I see thoughtfulness for his spouse and offspring all through that post.

In my house, the Money Manager situation is reversed. My Mate is better equipped for paying the bills than her Poorly Educated Husband, but we share the excess, when there is such. However, like most Male Counter-parts, she, at 78, has not and will not sit down and pen a counter a matching document to my, only legal in Texas, will.

Since she also, as a Machinist, earned a better paycheck than her Driver Husband. Do I rag her about the lack of that will? No, at seventy-six and a Combat Veteran, I bend with the flow, just as most Gentle Wives do in the same circumstances, but reversed.

In short, as I stated, knowing not the poster's age, that post, just reeks with his love for his Immediate Family.

 

[PloughBoy]

“If you died tonight” ”
Ancient path completion would be “Is it well with you soul”.

but now days such “Ancient paths” completions are unknown. And spoken not.

 

[Sue D.]

@th1bill --I'm posting as a 72 yr old woman. For many years my husband was the money manager. We had four kids together. We'd agreed that I'd be a stay-at-home mother so I was. After a while another couple we knew was surprisedthay I'd never written a check. So I started sitting at the table when he'd do the bills. Asked questions and offered to help. Gradually I was doing most of it. He passed away several years ago.

 

[th1bill]

@th1bill --I'm posting as a 72 yr old woman. For many years my husband was the money manager. We had four kids together. We'd agreed that I'd be a stay-at-home mother so I was. After a while another couple we knew was surprisedthay I'd never written a check. So I started sitting at the table when he'd do the bills. Asked questions and offered to help. Gradually I was doing most of it. He passed away several years ago.

I'm sorry to trouble you but, I am, then confused about the apparent, lack of continuity of your statement. Did you folks use some system of "This is my money and this is your money?" In our case, my wife and I discuss special purchases and agree on its disposition.

I was married three times before, but none of the failed unions were over money, they, all, felt the need for other lovers and did not wish to correct the issue.