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If wages of sin is 'annihilation', you believe all except God should be annihilated?
Only God is perfect and without sin Mark 10:18. Please meditate on that fact before you reply.
What I believe is irrelevant. What's important is what Scripture says
There is scripture clearly stating there will be eternal punishment for those unrepentant in sin. If scripture also states the wages of sin = death. That means 1 + 1 = 2. Eternal punishment in hell = death.
There's not. But as I said, you guys won't listen.
Would you mind starting a new thread on this. There are words and verses around the specific words 'eternal' you are not dealing with.

For example, if you read Matt 25:46 and force eternal to mean instant, when its the same word for those going to heaven. Its a heretical manipulation of scripture.

“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. The Greek translation uses the word ''αἰώνιον'' twice in that verse for both punishment and life.

There's nothing I'm not dealing with. It's actually the opposite. The passage correctly reads age enduring punishment and age enduring life. What is the punishment? It is death. They suffer age enduring death. if that age is eternal then they will be dead eternally.

However, as I've pointed out numerous times on this forum Jesus and the Apostles all spoke of the END of the aion. So, no matter what the theologians or dictionaries say the aion ends. So, please explain how a period of time that ends can be eternal.

The crux of this argument is based on false presuppositions. Firstly, its based on the idea that man is immortal. That is not Biblical. Since man is not immortal, he must be kept alive by God. That means is someone did suffer enteral torment is would be because God was keeping them alive for that purpose. That's ridiculous. God is not evil.

It's also based on an erroneous translation of the word aion. The word clearly cannot mean eternal, it ends. We have plenty of evidence showing this in Scritpure. It's counterpart in the Old Testament Olam carries the same idea of a period of time, but not eternity.

OLAM
The Hebrew word olam means in the far distance. When looking off in the far distance it is difficult to make out any details and what is beyond that horizon cannot be seen. This concept is the olam. The word olam is also used for time for the distant past or the distant future as a time that is difficult to know or perceive. This word is frequently translated as eternity or forever but in the English language it is misunderstood to mean a continual span of time that never ends. In the Hebrew mind it is simply what is at or beyond the horizon, a very distant time. A common phrase in the Hebrew is "l'olam va'ed" and is usually translated as "forever and ever" but in the Hebrew it means "to the distant horizon and again" meaning "a very distant time and even further" and is used to express the idea of a very ancient or future time.(1)

The Concept of Eternity.

The simple, basic truth is that Classical Hebrew, the Hebrew of the Old Testament Scriptures, has no term that carries the concept of "eternity." There are phrases that carry this concept, such as "without end," but there is not a single word that carries the concept of eternity as there is in English.​


When the Hebrew OT was translated into Greek the Scribes used the word aion to translate olam. They were not translating a word that meant eternity. There was no such word in Hebrew. As such the word aion doesn't mean eternity either. Thus the words of Jesus and the apostles about the end of the aion.




Let's finally deal with this issue.
 
The passage correctly reads age enduring punishment and age enduring life. What is the punishment? It is death. They suffer age enduring death.

No it does not. aionios is forever, aion is an age. The word in the Greek here is aionios.
The punishment is the second death, which doesn't mean you cease to exist, it means you are in torment.
The Bible makes it clear the "dead" are in torment. You have been given numerous scriptures about this.

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matt 25:46; καιG2532 CONJ απελευσονταιG565 V-FDI-3P ουτοιG3778 D-NPM ειςG1519 PREP κολασινG2851 N-ASF αιωνιονG166 A-ASF οιG3588 T-NPM δεG1161 CONJ δικαιοιG1342 A-NPM ειςG1519 PREP ζωηνG2222 N-ASF αιωνιονG166 A-ASF

αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Total KJV occurrences: 71

There is no way this word can be construed as temporary. It is the same word used in "eternal life". It is not temporary.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 14:11; καιG2532 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM καπνοςG2586 N-NSM τουG3588 T-GSM βασανισμουG929 N-GSM αυτωνG846 P-GPM ειςG1519 PREP αιωναςG165 N-APM αιωνωνG165 N-GPM αναβαινειG305 V-PAI-3S καιG2532 CONJ ουκG3756 PRT-N εχουσινG2192 V-PAI-3P αναπαυσινG372 N-ASF ημεραςG2250 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ νυκτοςG3571 N-GSF οιG3588 T-NPM προσκυνουντεςG4352 V-PAP-NPM τοG3588 T-ASN θηριονG2342 N-ASN καιG2532 CONJ τηνG3588 T-ASF εικοναG1504 N-ASF αυτουG846 P-GSN καιG2532 CONJ ειG1487 COND τιςG5100 X-NSM λαμβανειG2983 V-PAI-3S τοG3588 T-ASN χαραγμαG5480 N-ASN τουG3588 T-GSN ονοματοςG3686 N-GSN αυτουG846 P-GSN

αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.
Total KJV occurrences: 128

This word by itself could mean a single age, however.... when used with αιωναςG165 N-APM αιωνωνG165 ( n-apm) it becomes a plural word. Never ending eons.
 
No it does not. aionios is forever, aion is an age. The word in the Greek here is aionios.
The punishment is the second death, which doesn't mean you cease to exist, it means you are in torment.
The Bible makes it clear the "dead" are in torment. You have been given numerous scriptures about this.

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matt 25:46; καιG2532 CONJ απελευσονταιG565 V-FDI-3P ουτοιG3778 D-NPM ειςG1519 PREP κολασινG2851 N-ASF αιωνιονG166 A-ASF οιG3588 T-NPM δεG1161 CONJ δικαιοιG1342 A-NPM ειςG1519 PREP ζωηνG2222 N-ASF αιωνιονG166 A-ASF

αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Total KJV occurrences: 71

There is no way this word can be construed as temporary. It is the same word used in "eternal life". It is not temporary.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 14:11; καιG2532 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM καπνοςG2586 N-NSM τουG3588 T-GSM βασανισμουG929 N-GSM αυτωνG846 P-GPM ειςG1519 PREP αιωναςG165 N-APM αιωνωνG165 N-GPM αναβαινειG305 V-PAI-3S καιG2532 CONJ ουκG3756 PRT-N εχουσινG2192 V-PAI-3P αναπαυσινG372 N-ASF ημεραςG2250 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ νυκτοςG3571 N-GSF οιG3588 T-NPM προσκυνουντεςG4352 V-PAP-NPM τοG3588 T-ASN θηριονG2342 N-ASN καιG2532 CONJ τηνG3588 T-ASF εικοναG1504 N-ASF αυτουG846 P-GSN καιG2532 CONJ ειG1487 COND τιςG5100 X-NSM λαμβανειG2983 V-PAI-3S τοG3588 T-ASN χαραγμαG5480 N-ASN τουG3588 T-GSN ονοματοςG3686 N-GSN αυτουG846 P-GSN

αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.
Total KJV occurrences: 128

This word by itself could mean a single age, however.... when used with αιωναςG165 N-APM αιωνωνG165 ( n-apm) it becomes a plural word. Never ending eons.
Well, if you look at Christian sources which have a bias towards eternal torment, what do you think you'll find?

Firstly, aionios is the adjective form of aion. It's just an inflection. It's no different than, run, running, and ran. All three mean the same thing. They are all just different tenses of the word run. The different spelling is inflection. Heavenly is the adjective form of Heaven. It simply applies the qualities of Heaven to something else. Likewise, aionios is the adjective form of aion. It simply applies the qualities of the word aion to something else.

As I said, you guys won't listen. For some reason it seems the theologians carry more weight than Scripture.

I've often said that when church doctrine clashes with Scripture, church doctrine always wins. This is yet another case of that. We have, who knows how many passages of Scriputre where an aion ends. We have it from Jesus Himself that the aion ends and there is another aion to come. We have the apostles all speaking of the end of the aion. But, I guess Scripture doesn't matter because church doctrine and the theologians say aion means forever.

I know translators translate the word aion as eternal. That doesn't make it so. That you guys keep posting passages that have aion translated as eternal suggests to me that you're not serious about the issue. I've stated many times that the word is mistranslated. So posting passages that use the word eternal doesn't prove anything.

Study the word and it's use through Scripture. Ask yourself how a word can have contradictory definitions. It can't. Logic dictates that two opposing things cannot both be true at the same time. How then can a word mean eternal and finite?

Besides all of this there is the erroneous doctrine of the Immortal Soul which is the basis for eternal torment. Get rid of this erroneous doctrine and the eternal torment doctrine just disappears. You see, eternal torment must be if man is immortal and will never die.

You said, "The punishment is the second death, which doesn't mean you cease to exist, it means you are in htorment."

I don't mean to be offensive, but look at what you said. The second death means you're in torment. That's ridiculous. How does one torture a corpse? Because you hold the first doctrine, the Immortal Soul, you are forced to redefine Scripture to fit you doctrine. Because you hold the Immortal Soul doctrine death can't mean death because the doctrine holds that man doesn't die. It should be a very scary thing when we are changing Scripture to fit our doctrines. When we have to deny the words of Scripture, the apostles, Jesus, and God Himself, just to support a doctrine we are in some sketchy territory, yet that's the very thing that these two doctrine require. Now I know people will claim they aren't denying Scripture, but in reality they are. It's kind of like the Trinity doctrine where everyone really knows that three is not really one, but they say it anyway as if that makes it so.

I don't mean to be harsh if this sounds harsh. Many, if not most Christians are in an echo chamber and until they step out they don't know it. There's an old saying, "you don't know what you don't know." It's true. I used to be where you guys are. I stepped out of the echo chamber and now I know what I didn't know before.

I can't take you guys seriously if you're just going to ignore and look past evidence that doesn't fit your theology.

So, for starters let's look at how a word can mean both eternal and finite. Can you please make that case for me?
 
In Matthew 25:46, the parallel structure of the verse suggests a comparison between the duration of punishment and the duration of life. If we interpret "aionios" differently for punishment and life, it would disrupt the parallelism that Jesus seems to be making. Thus, many translators conclude that "aionios" should be consistently translated in this context as "eternal" or "everlasting" for both punishment and life.

The term "aionios" is used elsewhere in the New Testament to describe the eternal nature of God (Romans 16:26) and the eternal life promised to believers (John 3:16). This consistent usage suggests a lasting, unending nature when referring to spiritual realities.

The interpretation of "aionios" has significant theological implications. The idea of eternal life is central to Christian hope, and the concept of eternal punishment is part of the broader teaching on justice and the consequences of rejecting God's grace.
 
Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God (Jesus Christ), which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here (with Scriptural backing) brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all. (This signature is in general and not pointing fingers at anyone at anytime. God Bless.)
 
In Matthew 25:46, the parallel structure of the verse suggests a comparison between the duration of punishment and the duration of life. If we interpret "aionios" differently for punishment and life, it would disrupt the parallelism that Jesus seems to be making. Thus, many translators conclude that "aionios" should be consistently translated in this context as "eternal" or "everlasting" for both punishment and life.

The term "aionios" is used elsewhere in the New Testament to describe the eternal nature of God (Romans 16:26) and the eternal life promised to believers (John 3:16). This consistent usage suggests a lasting, unending nature when referring to spiritual realities.

The interpretation of "aionios" has significant theological implications. The idea of eternal life is central to Christian hope, and the concept of eternal punishment is part of the broader teaching on justice and the consequences of rejecting God's grace.
I didn't interpet it differently. The punishment is death. Aionios life and aionios death. Age enduring life and age enduring death.

That's not the problem though. The problem is the presupposition that man is immortal. If man is immortal and the punishment is eternal, then it follows that man would be eternally punished. However, man is not immortal. That idea came into Christianity through Greek Platonic Dualism. It is not a Biblical doctrine. If one holds to the Biblical view of man the eternal torment doctrine goes away.

Where in Scripture do we find eternal life given to the unbeliever? We don't. You see, this is why the doctrine is inconsistent with Scripture.
 
Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God (Jesus Christ), which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here (with Scriptural backing) brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all. (This signature is in general and not pointing fingers at anyone at anytime. God Bless.)
I hear you and I agree. However, sometimes someone has to stand up and say, "the emperor has no clothes."
 
Butch5, one of ten verse found at Ten Foundational Verses for Eternal Punishment in Hell
Matthew 18:6-9


Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
 
Jesus said about Judas who betrayed him….

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Jesus said it would have been better for Judas never to have been born, (if not born then never have existed) then too go where he is going where he will never cease to exist.
 
Butch5, one of ten verse found at Ten Foundational Verses for Eternal Punishment in Hell
Matthew 18:6-9


Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
Hi Bill. This passage uses the word aion which I've shown cannot mean eternal. The word translated Hell is Gehenna. Gehenna is a valley located just outside of Jerusalem. It's the location where the bodies will be burned of those who come against God at Armageddon. It's also prophesied that this location will be restored and made Holy to the Lord after those events.
 
Jesus said about Judas who betrayed him….

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Jesus said it would have been better for Judas never to have been born, (if not born then never have existed) then too go where he is going where he will never cease to exist.
So, Judas gets the gift of God, eternal life, that is promised to believers? Where does Scriputre promise eternal life to the wicked?
 
Hi Bill. This passage uses the word aion which I've shown cannot mean eternal. The word translated Hell is Gehenna. Gehenna is a valley located just outside of Jerusalem. It's the location where the bodies will be burned of those who come against God at Armageddon. It's also prophesied that this location will be restored and made Holy to the Lord after those events.
Butch, there are 9 other verses assuring us punishment is eternal. that is why I included the link.
 
Butch, there are 9 other verses assuring us punishment is eternal. that is why I included the link.
Bill, if the word doesn't mean eternal in one of them it doesn't mean eternal in all of them.

Please explain why Jesus and the apostles all spoke of its end if it is eternal. Were they speaking of the end of eternity? How does eternity end? The very definition of the word means unending.
 
What I believe is irrelevant. What's important is what Scripture says

There's not. But as I said, you guys won't listen.

There's nothing I'm not dealing with. It's actually the opposite. The passage correctly reads age enduring punishment and age enduring life. What is the punishment? It is death. They suffer age enduring death. if that age is eternal then they will be dead eternally.

However, as I've pointed out numerous times on this forum Jesus and the Apostles all spoke of the END of the aion. So, no matter what the theologians or dictionaries say the aion ends. So, please explain how a period of time that ends can be eternal.

The crux of this argument is based on false presuppositions. Firstly, its based on the idea that man is immortal. That is not Biblical. Since man is not immortal, he must be kept alive by God. That means is someone did suffer enteral torment is would be because God was keeping them alive for that purpose. That's ridiculous. God is not evil.

It's also based on an erroneous translation of the word aion. The word clearly cannot mean eternal, it ends. We have plenty of evidence showing this in Scritpure. It's counterpart in the Old Testament Olam carries the same idea of a period of time, but not eternity.

OLAM
The Hebrew word olam means in the far distance. When looking off in the far distance it is difficult to make out any details and what is beyond that horizon cannot be seen. This concept is the olam. The word olam is also used for time for the distant past or the distant future as a time that is difficult to know or perceive. This word is frequently translated as eternity or forever but in the English language it is misunderstood to mean a continual span of time that never ends. In the Hebrew mind it is simply what is at or beyond the horizon, a very distant time. A common phrase in the Hebrew is "l'olam va'ed" and is usually translated as "forever and ever" but in the Hebrew it means "to the distant horizon and again" meaning "a very distant time and even further" and is used to express the idea of a very ancient or future time.(1)

The Concept of Eternity.

The simple, basic truth is that Classical Hebrew, the Hebrew of the Old Testament Scriptures, has no term that carries the concept of "eternity." There are phrases that carry this concept, such as "without end," but there is not a single word that carries the concept of eternity as there is in English.​


When the Hebrew OT was translated into Greek the Scribes used the word aion to translate olam. They were not translating a word that meant eternity. There was no such word in Hebrew. As such the word aion doesn't mean eternity either. Thus the words of Jesus and the apostles about the end of the aion.




Let's finally deal with this issue.

1. Is it just to give a candy thief the same punishment as a murderer?

2. Is God just?

Yes or no answer please.
 
Butch5, we are created in the image of the Eternal God Head. We all look differently making the Image, like Our Elohim, Spiritual in Nature. The Creator is a spirit being and is eternal as man. We are spirit, body, and soul, and like Yehovah, the spirit is eternal.


Psalm 23:6​


ESVSurely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

If the Saved Man was created the same as the Saved Man, why is their soul different from ours?
 
Butch5, we are created in the image of the Eternal God Head. We all look differently making the Image, like Our Elohim, Spiritual in Nature. The Creator is a spirit being and is eternal as man. We are spirit, body, and soul, and like Yehovah, the spirit is eternal.


Psalm 23:6​


ESVSurely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

If the Saved Man was created the same as the Saved Man, why is their soul different from ours?
Interesting, because when man was created, there was no body. Jesus didn't become flesh until several thousand years later. It would seem obvious then that being made in the image of God doesn't mean, spirit, body, and soul.

The Bible tells us very clearly what man is in Genesis 2:7. The body, animated by God's spirit, became a living soul. Two things came together to form a third. Take water. Oxygen and hydrogen come together to form water. Water is made of Oxygen and hydrogen. It's not made of Oxygen, hydrogen, and water. Likewise, the Bible tells us that man, or the soul, is made of body and spirit which is the breath of God. Man is not a spirit. The Bible states plainly that man is flesh and it comes straight from God Himself.

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

The Holy Bible: King James Version.

Notice what God said, man is flesh. He didn't say man is a spirit being living in a flesh body. He said man is flesh. This is why Platonic Dualism doesn't align with Scripture. It's Platonic Dualism that supposes man is a spirit being living in a flesh body, not Scripture.

The Spirit is eternal, yes. However, the spirit is God, not man. Man is flesh and finite.

Why do you guys keep ignoring the questions I present?

If man is eternal then why did God promise eternal life to the believer?
There's no point in promising eternal life to some who already has eternal life, is there?

What do we find in what is arguably the most quoted passage of Scripture?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The Holy Bible: King James Version.

Did John say whosoever believes in Him should not suffer eternal conscious torment? Or did he say whosoever believes in Him should not "perish"?

Did John not know what he was talking about? Did he not have as good a grasp on Kione Greek as our modern translators and commentators?

Or, is it more likely that John knew exactly what he was saying and our modern translators have missed the boat. My money is on John.
 
1. Is it just to give a candy thief the same punishment as a murderer?

2. Is God just?

Yes or no answer please.
You just side steeped the question. You guys keep doing that. This topic has nothing to do with justice, that's a red herring. It has everything to do with whether or not a man can possibly suffer eternal torment.

In order to suffer eternal torment one must be able to live eternally. The Bible tells us that God is the source of all life. Thus, no one lives apart from God giving them life. So, I'll ask yet again, where is the unbeliever promised eternal life?
 
Why are you guys so determined to support a doctrine that impugns God's character?
 
Why are you guys so determined to support a doctrine that impugns God's character?

Why are you so determined to go against scripture?

What we think God's character is doesn't matter. What matters is what the Bible says.

If the Bible says something against what we think about God, the Bible is the authority, not our opinions of Him.
 
Why are you so determined to go against scripture?

What we think God's character is doesn't matter. What matters is what the Bible says.

If the Bible says something against what we think about God, the Bible is the authority, not our opinions of Him.
Well, the Bible says God is holy, righteous, and just. God gave us what is just. He said and eye for an eye is just.
Please explain how eternal conscious torment is a just punishment for a short finite period of sin?

I don't go against Scripture. I go against erroneous translations and definitions.

No one in this thread has yet to explain why Jesus and the apostles all speak of the end of the aion if in fact it never ends.

It's really just a matter of who we believe. Do we believe Jesus and the apostles or do we believe modern translators and theologians? I personally believe Jesus and the apostles. So, when they say the aion ends, I beleive it ends. If it ends it certainly can't be eternal.

Matthew 12:32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come
Jesus said it wouldn't be forgiven in this aion or the one to come. If aion means eternity then it won't be forgiven in this eternity or the one to come. How does that makes sense? If eternity never ends how can there be another eternity after this one?
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Here Jesus describes what will happen at the end of the age. However, if aion means eternity then Jesus is describing the end of eternity. If He's speaking of the end of eternity. That presents a problem for those who have eternal life. If the eternity ends then so does eternal life. That concept is kind of counter intuitive, no? Unending life that ends?

Matthew 28:20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Is He only gong to be with then till the end of the eternity?
Matthew 13:40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Are the elect gathered up at the end of eternity. If that's case eternal life isn't going to be very long.

It's so incredibly obvious that translators have gotten this wrong. Yet it amazes me that Christians will fight so vehemently for it. I would think Christians would be elated and jumping for joy to know that their God doesn't torment people for eternity. I know I was. Yet here were are people arguing vehemently that the God who is Love tortures people for eternity in fire. Oh, how far we have strayed from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
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