Butch5
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If wages of sin is 'annihilation', you believe all except God should be annihilated?
What I believe is irrelevant. What's important is what Scripture saysOnly God is perfect and without sin Mark 10:18. Please meditate on that fact before you reply.
There's not. But as I said, you guys won't listen.There is scripture clearly stating there will be eternal punishment for those unrepentant in sin. If scripture also states the wages of sin = death. That means 1 + 1 = 2. Eternal punishment in hell = death.
There's nothing I'm not dealing with. It's actually the opposite. The passage correctly reads age enduring punishment and age enduring life. What is the punishment? It is death. They suffer age enduring death. if that age is eternal then they will be dead eternally.Would you mind starting a new thread on this. There are words and verses around the specific words 'eternal' you are not dealing with.
For example, if you read Matt 25:46 and force eternal to mean instant, when its the same word for those going to heaven. Its a heretical manipulation of scripture.
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. The Greek translation uses the word ''αἰώνιον'' twice in that verse for both punishment and life.
However, as I've pointed out numerous times on this forum Jesus and the Apostles all spoke of the END of the aion. So, no matter what the theologians or dictionaries say the aion ends. So, please explain how a period of time that ends can be eternal.
The crux of this argument is based on false presuppositions. Firstly, its based on the idea that man is immortal. That is not Biblical. Since man is not immortal, he must be kept alive by God. That means is someone did suffer enteral torment is would be because God was keeping them alive for that purpose. That's ridiculous. God is not evil.
It's also based on an erroneous translation of the word aion. The word clearly cannot mean eternal, it ends. We have plenty of evidence showing this in Scritpure. It's counterpart in the Old Testament Olam carries the same idea of a period of time, but not eternity.
OLAM
The Hebrew word olam means in the far distance. When looking off in the far distance it is difficult to make out any details and what is beyond that horizon cannot be seen. This concept is the olam. The word olam is also used for time for the distant past or the distant future as a time that is difficult to know or perceive. This word is frequently translated as eternity or forever but in the English language it is misunderstood to mean a continual span of time that never ends. In the Hebrew mind it is simply what is at or beyond the horizon, a very distant time. A common phrase in the Hebrew is "l'olam va'ed" and is usually translated as "forever and ever" but in the Hebrew it means "to the distant horizon and again" meaning "a very distant time and even further" and is used to express the idea of a very ancient or future time.(1)
The Concept of Eternity.
The simple, basic truth is that Classical Hebrew, the Hebrew of the Old Testament Scriptures, has no term that carries the concept of "eternity." There are phrases that carry this concept, such as "without end," but there is not a single word that carries the concept of eternity as there is in English.
The simple, basic truth is that Classical Hebrew, the Hebrew of the Old Testament Scriptures, has no term that carries the concept of "eternity." There are phrases that carry this concept, such as "without end," but there is not a single word that carries the concept of eternity as there is in English.
How long is forever?
This page looks at the question of how long is forever - in the context of the hebrew word “olam.”
www.jewishroots.net
When the Hebrew OT was translated into Greek the Scribes used the word aion to translate olam. They were not translating a word that meant eternity. There was no such word in Hebrew. As such the word aion doesn't mean eternity either. Thus the words of Jesus and the apostles about the end of the aion.
Let's finally deal with this issue.