What kind of religion Islam is?
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No Muslim can be trusted even their "offspring".
I still have doubts and am skeptical of "former Muslims" as they can lie to and deny the faith to any non-Muslim.
Satan took a literal S in history and that became Islam and Muslims.
I still have doubts and am skeptical of "former Muslims" as they can lie to and deny the faith to any non-Muslim.
Satan took a literal S in history and that became Islam and Muslims.
@MedicBravo
Greetings,
can you trust other people from any other 'religion/faith' ?
And those who are perhaps professing Christians, can you trust all?
Bless you ....><>
Greetings,
can you trust other people from any other 'religion/faith' ?
And those who are perhaps professing Christians, can you trust all?
Bless you ....><>
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Luke 9:51 And it came to pass, when the days were being fulfilled that he should be taken up, he also steadfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
52 and sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
53 And they did not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem.
54 And when the disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we bid fire to come down from heaven, and consume them?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them.
56 And they went to another village.
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No need to. ISLAM began with SATAN, who inspired Mohammed to jinn up his phony religious system in the beginning.
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Islam is Babylonian religion. (And not the only one)
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But Mohammed wasn't alive until 570AD. 570 years after the Christian church started.
Muhammad - Wikipedia
Nearly 2800 years after Ishmael.
Ishmael - Wikipedia
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I know who Islam began with. The spirit in the cave not only did not identify itself, but left Muhammad in an emotional mess leaving him suicidal. Khadija's cousin had a Christian background and he suggested the spirit must be the angel Gabriel. I'm inclined to think that if they want the spirit to be Gabriel, he could be Gabriel. However, it seems that Muhammad's Gabriel suffered from dimentia.
Muhammad frequently interacted mostly with the Jews, but also with Christians. I'm inclined also to think he didn't know what to make of Jesus. He had no problem with the existence of a singular God, but had difficulty rationalizing a triune God. That is commonly mentioned by those who leave Christianity for Islam claiming Christianity is polytheistic. I've never thought it is nor does Scripture remotely suggest it.
I noted in a recent exchange in this thread regarding the integrity of Muslims. Under Sharian law, Muslims cannot lie to other Muslims, All others are fair game particularly Christians. Under Sharian law, one cannot be critical of the Muhammad. They are not a problem as long as they're the minority. On the note of observations, Muslims claim the Bible is corrupted although the Quran does not state that. Yet, they will use the Bible to substantiate Muhammad as either a prophet, or worse, the spirit of Truth. It's curious they would use a corrupted book for proof. The rest of us call it cherry picking Scripture. I've seen it done many times. While there are a number of stories common to the Bible and the Quran, their outcomes are quite different. In some cases I've wondered if they're describing the same event.
One person they do not like is the apostle Paul. I've been told some professing Christianity don't like him either. I can understand why because once Paul understood who Jesus was and is, he preached Jesus until his dying day. The world hates Jesus and Paul was also hated for that. Paul was a bit overbearing which didn't help, but Jesus made good use of that attribute.
Are all Muslims blood thirsty crazed killers? No, they're not. Like you and I, they are people who need Jesus and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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Remember in the days of the NT Pentecostal church that the rest of the Greco-Roman world were pagans of the worst kind with their many gods, and even sacrificing their infant children to placate their gods.
Mystery Babylon refers to the plethora of false religions that the gods of this world have fostered in order to deceive and betray God's creation - human beings who he made a little lower than the angels.
There are faiths and doctrines that come under the umbrella of "Christianity" that also belong to Mystery Babylon.
This is why the true gospel of salvation is not about worldly churches devoid of the Holy Spirit: but the ekklesia - the called-out ones - Spirit-filled Christians called out of the world - to be noticeably separate from
worldly ways and lifestyles. The epistles to the Pentecostal congregations of the NT stress this again and again.
Roman Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, New Age faith, Mormonism, Harry Potter, Shamanism, hallucinogenic drug taking - all this belong to those fallen angels who desire that we worship them rather than
the true GOD of creation and salvation - the Word of God.
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In a way, Mormonism, Roman Catholicism, and Jehovah's Witnesses are worse than Hinduism, Islam and Buddhism. Why, because those religions don't claim to be Christianity. They are false religions, but they aren't false Christs.
Mormonism, Roman Catholicism and Jehovah's Witnesses on the other hand claim to be Christians and claim to worship the same Jesus that true Christians do. These are the false Christs. False doctrines and false prophets.
No Hindu or Muslim will ever say "I thought I was following Jesus". But these false Christian religions, they deceive many.. because they thought they were following Jesus all along.
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Matthew 24:23 Then if any one say to you, Lo, here is the Christ, or, Here; believe not.
26 If therefore they shall say to you, Lo, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Lo, in the inner chambers; believe not.
I believe this to be a prophecy against the Jehovah Witnesses who claim that Jesus returned in secret in 1914 and resides in their WatchTower building where they hold seances and commune with him.
This is why all their prophecies concerning the day of the Lord have been wrong. Every one of them.
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We're not talking about other "faiths".
Pretty sure the first 4 commandments are my priority with regards to any other "faith".
Trust and respect are earned over time not blindly given. There is also civility and it and respect are not the same.
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I work with several Muslims and I trust them wholeheartedly. I agree with you about separating trust, respect and civility. Give love unconditionally, trust conditionally.
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There are some nice, good moral Muslims. I agree. However every 'religion' wants to take over the world. Some are more aggressive than others about it.
Christians want the whole world to be followers of Jesus Christ. This has sometimes been done militantly ( the crusades and Spanish inquisition come to mind ).
It will be done militantly once and for all during the millennial reign of Christ. ( Rev 19:11-20; )
Christians are told to go into all the world and make disciples of all men. Ultimately we all want everyone to be saved, according to whatever our religion deems is necessary
to save you. Muslims have been much more militant about religious take overs of countries. Even today countries are being forced in to Islam by the sword.
Most of the "Muslim Brotherhood" (Islamic Cresent ) of nations were forced into Islam/Sharia Law by military force.
Now while all of the Muslims I know claim to be peaceful, they all wish the UK and US ( indeed the whole world ) were Muslim nations, under Sharia law. Even my "peaceful" Muslim friends
acknowledge this. They also agree that even if it took military force for it to happen, they would be OK with that.
Many in Muslim world want sharia as law of land: survey
Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.
www.reuters.com
Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world
Muslims are the fastest-growing religious group in the world. Here are some questions and answers about their public opinions and demographics.
www.pewresearch.org
While Christianity is "neck and neck" with Islam numbers wise, it seems Islam is growing faster.
World’s Muslim population more widespread than you might think
While many, especially in the U.S., may associate Islam with the Middle East or North Africa, nearly two-thirds of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims live in the Asia-Pacific region.
www.pewresearch.org
In a Christian nation, people are generally free to worship whatever god they want to. However under Sharia law, you are only allowed to worship the god of the Quran.
"Christian" nations usually allow for people to openly practice homosexuality and feminism (women's rights ), but these are not allowed under Sharia law.
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But that's TOTALLY UNIMPORTANT. ISLAM DENIES the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. Consequently ISLAM CAN ONLY send it's believers to HELL, since they've ELIMINATED Salvation as a possibility for their victims.
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Not true - unscriptural
God understands the spiritual mayhem, treachery and lies instigated by gods who were given the responsibility to be Watchers over the nations.
There will be a judgement and reckoning on Jesuits and Jihadis who used the sword to slay people in the name of religion.
People will be judged by their works not by their religion.
But people who have the true gospel preached to them and have the opportunity to believe unto salvation, but then refuse this saving grace will be under condemnation - Mark 16:15-16
Millions and millions of people from infants to the aged have never really had the chance to embrace the gospel of salvation and Jesus knows this.
God will have mercy on whom he will give mercy to - this is what Golgotha and the resurrection are for - not just some Christians but for the whole world - 1John 2:2
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat thereon, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and booklets were opened: and another booklet was opened, which is that of life: and the dead were judged out of the things written in the booklets,
according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead in them: and they were judged each according to their works.
14 And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. [this verse alone clearly implies that names are found written in the books of life]
There is a first resurrection for the Spirit-filled ekklesia - and there is a second resurrection for all other human beings from the first creation to the last day of this age.
God will deal with the hunter-gathers of the stone age to the i phone addicted techno peoples of today > according to their works.
Many will be cast into the lake of fire but also many will not.
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So?
That's subjective.
No.
No person can give "love" as you suggest.
Trust can be broken. They have EVERY right and are even commanded to lie to non-Muslims. If they don't it's to Hell they go according to their "god".
Looks like I'll have to scrub that bit out of my Bible...
On second look, make that, those bits.
Greetings @Waggles
While much of what you have shared is quite correct, if left 'as is' , one [ make that millions upon millions] could read what you have written and quite honestly [as much as a lost soul can muster] decide that, based on what Waggles wrote on TalkJesus, it's OK, it's actually perfectly acceptable for me to continue with the religious faith I am presently a disciple of because, as long as I have a good heart, I'll be 'saved'... I can continue being Muslim because God judges the heart!
Trouble is though... there are a few strong words about our hearts and also the missing the mark trying to clean them and get right with God. Can you recall any?
It becomes a gamble... if islam doesn't save me at least I've got a second chance with the Christian Saviour. So I'll be OK
I know you mean well Waggles, and see your earnest sharing of your faith.
Bless you ....><>
While much of what you have shared is quite correct, if left 'as is' , one [ make that millions upon millions] could read what you have written and quite honestly [as much as a lost soul can muster] decide that, based on what Waggles wrote on TalkJesus, it's OK, it's actually perfectly acceptable for me to continue with the religious faith I am presently a disciple of because, as long as I have a good heart, I'll be 'saved'... I can continue being Muslim because God judges the heart!
Trouble is though... there are a few strong words about our hearts and also the missing the mark trying to clean them and get right with God. Can you recall any?
It becomes a gamble... if islam doesn't save me at least I've got a second chance with the Christian Saviour. So I'll be OK
I know you mean well Waggles, and see your earnest sharing of your faith.
Bless you ....><>
@MedicBravo
Greetings,
You are right.
I asked because on reading your words,
it appeared to single out muslims and I was wanting to clarify that ?
Are the muslims less trustworthy than anyone else?
I'm not at all sure what trust, civility and respect have got to do with it , though?
Thank you for your reply.
Bless you ....><>
Greetings,
You are right.
I asked because on reading your words,
it appeared to single out muslims and I was wanting to clarify that ?
Are the muslims less trustworthy than anyone else?
I'm not at all sure what trust, civility and respect have got to do with it , though?
Thank you for your reply.
Bless you ....><>
