Why do protestants do catholic traditions?

[Garee]

And so what is your conclusion ?

That you will also hide behind the catholics as a reason for NOT following what the bible says to do ?

What came first, the Word of God or the Catholics ?

Im not asking you to agree with catholics, but i am saying, if you are going to claim " i follow the Bible" then do it and quit crying that you will look like a catholic.

So what if you look catholic, at least you can really claim to be following the Bible.

Difference between crying and holding out the gospel hoping Christ will cause the increase if any .Catholiscim a dark place in need of the light of the gospel


Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.

I have no fear of being identified with Catholics possible brothers and sisters as law of the fathers or I heard it through the fathers grape vine . The written traditons of God called sola scriptura (all things written in the law and prophets) the Bible makes things clear .

,A hierarchy of men that lord it over the faith or understanding of the non venerable. It is not seeking the approval of God not seen which he lovely commands us and empowers us to do.

 

[Bill]

Difference between crying and holding out the gospel hoping Christ will cause the increase if any .Catholiscim a dark place in need of the light of the gospel


Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.

I have no fear of being identified with Catholics possible brothers and sisters as law of the fathers or I heard it through the fathers grape vine . The written traditons of God called sola scriptura (all things written in the law and prophets) the Bible makes things clear .

,A hierarchy of men that lord it over the faith or understanding of the non venerable. It is not seeking the approval of God not seen which he lovely commands us and empowers us to do.

This is what i dont understand, Christians ( Protestants) will continually compare Not following Scripture because of Catholics.

What do catholics have to do with anything? Scripture Is Clear.

Maybe i am the voice in the wilderness Crying Out, who is your God? To whom do you follow?

So if you are going to say, I follow the Bible, then do it. Stop worrying about Catholics.

 

[Bill]

Like i said, the issue is, not paying attention to the Holy Spirit. And to the deception continues

 

[Garee]

This is what i dont understand, Christians ( Protestants) will continually compare Not following Scripture because of Catholics.

What do catholics have to do with anything? Scripture Is Clear.

Maybe i am the voice in the wilderness Crying Out, who is your God? To whom do you follow?

So if you are going to say, I follow the Bible, then do it. Stop worrying about Catholics.

Not sure what you mean by . Christians ( Protestants) will continually compare Not following Scripture because of Catholics.?

Not following scripture ??

 

[Bill]

Not sure what you mean by . Christians ( Protestants) will continually compare Not following Scripture because of Catholics.?

Not following scripture ??

Correct !

This is what i have been talking about .

When was the last time you refered to Mary, Jesus mother as blessed, in conversation to another. I could guess never.

And when does your church, or yourself ever bless the bread as Jesus did at the last supper. He askes us to do that in rememberance of Him

Most wont do it as it is too catholic

 

[Garee]

Correct !

This is what i have been talking about .

When was the last time you refered to Mary, Jesus mother as blessed, in conversation to another. I could guess never.

And when does your church, or yourself ever bless the bread as Jesus did at the last supper. He askes us to do that in rememberance of Him

Most wont do it as it is too catholic

Yes most will not serve the flesh as a hierarchy of men that lord it over the understanding of God, as it is written. (sola scriptura) The non vereable must seek the approval of sinful men . The Bible calls that the abomination of desolation . Making desolate sola scriptura the reforming, restoring authority in any generation not just the first century reformation a pattern or parable used in any.

If God blessed our sister in the Lord Mary in the same way he blesses all of His children out of all sinners in the world. Why would a person not agree with scripture?

But that is the tip of the iceberg. Mary our sister n the lord does not become the mother of mercy and therefore usurp the mercy our Holy Father in heaven . No such thing as a mother of mercy to include many other titles used to venerate or worship her dying flesh .

In the end of the matter if you follow the doctrine of the queen in heaven which was founded in the Old testament as a law of the fathers (I heard it through the grape vine.) This divine Mary entity alone received the fullness of grace the price of salvation and every other creature a unknown amount grace .and even after they are dead the sufferings continues for a unknown amount of sufferings or time period .

A person would have to change the the loving commandment from doing it in remembrance to literal drinking blood an abomination .

 

[Bill]

Yes most will not serve the flesh as a hierarchy of men that lord it over the understanding of God, as it is written. (sola scriptura) The non vereable must seek the approval of sinful men . The Bible calls that the abomination of desolation . Making desolate sola scriptura the reforming, restoring authority in any generation not just the first century reformation a pattern or parable used in any.

If God blessed our sister in the Lord Mary in the same way he blesses all of His children out of all sinners in the world. Why would a person not agree with scripture?

But that is the tip of the iceberg. Mary our sister n the lord does not become the mother of mercy and therefore usurp the mercy our Holy Father in heaven . No such thing as a mother of mercy to include many other titles used to venerate or worship her dying flesh .

In the end of the matter if you follow the doctrine of the queen in heaven which was founded in the Old testament as a law of the fathers (I heard it through the grape vine.) This divine Mary entity alone received the fullness of grace the price of salvation and every other creature a unknown amount grace .and even after they are dead the sufferings continues for a unknown amount of sufferings or time period .

A person would have to change the the loving commandment from doing it in remembrance to literal drinking blood an abomination .

So basically you are affirming the fact that as these areas are associated with Catholics, you will Not follow what scripture teaches. Interesting.

For myself, i will hold Mary in high esteem, as she was the one that was asked ( and no other ) and said yes. She is Blessed, plain and simple.

And i am glad my church believes in following the words of Jesus. Blessing the bread and wine. ( " do this in rememberance of me " ) breaking the bread and offering the wine, handing it out to those assembled to recieve it.

I dont worry about being labled, or assuming i look like something i am not.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Why do those who believe in Jesus Christ that are Protestant or just Christian continue to keep Catholic traditions? Christmas, good friday, sunday service.
Should I feel obligated?
(Keep in mind that I know the pagan origins of Christmas and its placement on the calendar on top of an already established pagan holiday.
Knowing this I feel convicted that its not what the God of the Bible wants any believers to continue although I think anyone could be forgiven for any wrong they've done. But this is my opinion its not popular amongst secular Christians but here it is, the celebration of the saturnalia is a sin.
But Jesus Christ paid the penalty that me and you deserve.
The thing is I don't know if Christmas is one of the major sins or the little sins but It seems some people keep celebrating because they care what people think.

Chuckle!!! We Celebrate Chri$tmas$ becau$e it rake$ in the Ca$h. Oh, and ALL SINS are mortal. The requirement to gain heaven is Absolute perfection, and only FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross can achieve that.

 

[Garee]

So basically you are affirming the fact that as these areas are associated with Catholics, you will Not follow what scripture teaches. Interesting.

For myself, i will hold Mary in high esteem, as she was the one that was asked ( and no other ) and said yes. She is Blessed, plain and simple.

And i am glad my church believes in following the words of Jesus. Blessing the bread and wine. ( " do this in rememberance of me " ) breaking the bread and offering the wine, handing it out to those assembled to recieve it.

I dont worry about being labled, or assuming i look like something i am not.

Who said I do not follow what scripture teaches ?

God is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases he made our sister in the lord Mary's heart soft just as he does with all children of light Catholics the "non venerable" ones are not allowed to obey the loving commandments like the one in 2 Timothy 2:15..

God who is not served by human hands as a will is not moved according to human will

Job 23: 11-15 My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

They must at all costs seek the approval of I heard it through the fathers grape vine calling all things written in the law and prophets a (sola scriptural) heresy so they can continue to lord it over the non venerable pew warmers faith .

2 Timothy 2: 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Bill]

Chuckle!!! We Celebrate Chri$tmas$ becau$e it rake$ in the Ca$h. Oh, and ALL SINS are mortal. The requirement to gain heaven is Absolute perfection, and only FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross can achieve that.

I personally think it's kind of funny that everyone gives so much credit to the pagans as if it was their day to make it a holiday in the first place.

Don't we believe that God created the Earth the days the nights everything if God created everything then why is it a big to-do whether or not what day of person celebrates the birth of Christ on or the resurrection of Jesus.

I'm sure there are some pagans even among the Christians who make the day into money day just as the merchants in the days of Jesus had turn the temple into a thing of money as well

My parents and myself my family do not do that we celebrate the birth of Christ, the Holy Family, and everything pure in Jesus.

Isn't it funny how so many Christians cannot wrap their head around the fact that God made the day first and then the pagans came along and made it third day and now we're just kind of reclaiming God's days back.

Or in the sense of what is first the scripture for the Catholic church in my words. That Christians are so caught up in worrying about being Catholic that they forget exactly who they are in the first place

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I personally think it's kind of funny that everyone gives so much credit to the pagans as if it was their day to make it a holiday in the first place.

Personally, I don't don't take seriously (in terms of assigning any actual spiritual value) any supposedly "religious" holidays. We go through the motions every year (because it's part of U.S. social custom, and churches seem to think they need to do something to keep their congregations happy) and then I toss all the Christmas crap into the barn for another 10 months.

Just part of living in America in 2022. At least I get a few days off of work, and a good dinner, or three.

 

[Garee]

Or in the sense of what is first the scripture for the Catholic church in my words. That Christians are so caught up in worrying about being Catholic that they forget exactly who they are in the first place

Catholics are so caught up in eulogizing the corrupted dying flesh of mankind that in the end they destroy the gospel of grace . Calling Peter our brother in the lord our heavenly Holy Father in so much that they do, do despite to the fullness of grace of God . (the price of salvation)

Teaching the non venerable or non-worship-able pew sitters that an entity named Mary as queen of heaven alone received the fullness of grace and every other human a unknown remnant of grace and they must continue to suffer even after they take their last breath in a place called Limbo or Purgatory with no end in sight. Simply left wondering, wondering, wondering when will it end?

So I would agree there must be heresies as personal or oral traditons among believers Like Christmas or Easter with the exception of those that do make the fullness of grace in effective to all but this queen of heaven entity .

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[Bill]

Catholics are so caught up in eulogizing the corrupted dying flesh of mankind that in the end they destroy the gospel of grace . Calling Peter our brother in the lord our heavenly Holy Father in so much that they do, do despite to the fullness of grace of God . (the price of salvation)

Teaching the non venerable or non-worship-able pew sitters that an entity named Mary as queen of heaven alone received the fullness of grace and every other human a unknown remnant of grace and they must continue to suffer even after they take their last breath in a place called Limbo or Purgatory with no end in sight. Simply left wondering, wondering, wondering when will it end?

So I would agree there must be heresies as personal or oral traditons among believers Like Christmas or Easter with the exception of those that do make the fullness of grace in effective to all but this queen of heaven entity .

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

I don't think you understand why I'm trying to say what I am saying. So what if the Catholics are thinking the way they do why are you so worried about it. What does the Catholic Church have to do with your faith?

I'm not even talking about the Catholics I'm only saying that Christians, Protestants in general are more concerned about looking like a Catholic than they are about actually following what the scripture says.

Think of it this way I don't see anyone caught up in worrying about what the Jehovah Witnesses say. And I personally would never even compare myself to a Jehovah Witness. Although I feel really sorry for them because they seem to have such compassion about wanting to learn about God and yet they're leaving out the most important thing that Jesus Christ is God and he died for our sins.

The Catholics are another ball game altogether and I'm not asking anybody to want to be a Catholic I'm just asking you if you are going to actually follow the scripture or not and quit crying about o I'm going to look like a Catholic if I file the scripture. I say who cares if you look like a Catholic. Has anyone even considered the thought that maybe the Catholics are trying to look like Protestants?

And yet that still doesn't even matter whether one person looks like another person who cares what's most important following the word of God isn't that what's important. Isn't that what we all claim to be doing in the first place? If you're going to follow the scripture then follow the scripture and not worry about who else is following the scripture or not doing it the right way or not doing it the way that you think that they should be doing it. It's fairly clear in the scripture that Jesus doesn't even matter about that stuff you know whether or not the one person looks like the next person or the one faith is like the next one because what does he say when the apostles stop my man from preaching because he wasn't part of their group. Jesus told the apostles to let him go if he's not against us is for us.

Personally I look at the Protestants is being extremely putty in their thinking when it comes to everything that has to do with the Brothers and Sisters in Christ, at least the ones that I've met here I mean with the exception of a handful. Let's look at the retarded arguments that go on that divided people over retarded things like whether or not we should worship God on Saturday or Sunday who cares who cares seriously who the heck cares whether we worship God on Saturday or Sunday. The most important thing is just worshipping God. Maybe you should be worshipping God every single day of the week because I sure do it shouldn't be just a one-day thing so it should be every single day. Do you really think that when you get to heaven you're only going to work of God one day the week you're going to be eternally worshipping God.

Many of the arguments that I have found in the Protestant churches are just stupid there's just no real reason for them whether you can drink or not drink whether received Bread on Sunday or not I mean come on cuz that what all it is to be Christian is that all you are

 

[Garee]

I don't think you understand why I'm trying to say what I am saying. So what if the Catholics are thinking the way they do why are you so worried about it. What does the Catholic Church have to do with your faith?

I'm not even talking about the Catholics I'm only saying that Christians, Protestants in general are more concerned about looking like a Catholic than they are about actually following what the scripture says.

Think of it this way I don't see anyone caught up in worrying about what the Jehovah Witnesses say. And I personally would never even compare myself to a Jehovah Witness. Although I feel really sorry for them because they seem to have such compassion about wanting to learn about God and yet they're leaving out the most important thing that Jesus Christ is God and he died for our sins.

The Catholics are another ball game altogether and I'm not asking anybody to want to be a Catholic I'm just asking you if you are going to actually follow the scripture or not and quit crying about o I'm going to look like a Catholic if I file the scripture. I say who cares if you look like a Catholic. Has anyone even considered the thought that maybe the Catholics are trying to look like Protestants?

And yet that still doesn't even matter whether one person looks like another person who cares what's most important following the word of God isn't that what's important. Isn't that what we all claim to be doing in the first place? If you're going to follow the scripture then follow the scripture and not worry about who else is following the scripture or not doing it the right way or not doing it the way that you think that they should be doing it. It's fairly clear in the scripture that Jesus doesn't even matter about that stuff you know whether or not the one person looks like the next person or the one faith is like the next one because what does he say when the apostles stop my man from preaching because he wasn't part of their group. Jesus told the apostles to let him go if he's not against us is for us.

Personally I look at the Protestants is being extremely putty in their thinking when it comes to everything that has to do with the Brothers and Sisters in Christ, at least the ones that I've met here I mean with the exception of a handful. Let's look at the retarded arguments that go on that divided people over retarded things like whether or not we should worship God on Saturday or Sunday who cares who cares seriously who the heck cares whether we worship God on Saturday or Sunday. The most important thing is just worshipping God. Maybe you should be worshipping God every single day of the week because I sure do it shouldn't be just a one-day thing so it should be every single day. Do you really think that when you get to heaven you're only going to work of God one day the week you're going to be eternally worshipping God.

Many of the arguments that I have found in the Protestant churches are just stupid there's just no real reason for them whether you can drink or not drink whether received Bread on Sunday or not I mean come on cuz that what all it is to be Christian is that all you are

Yes we are to pray without ceasing in whatsoever we do eating or drinking we can seek his rest yoked with Him.

We therefore can worship him everyday called today today or under the Sun. Having received the end of faith from the first time we heard the gospel of our salvation.

This is unlike Catholicism .They teach that only this queen of heaven entity that they call Mary received the fulness of grace, the full price of salvation . and every other person a remnant of grace and they must continue to work after there is no possibility (dead) to gain salvation for another unknown remnant of time forever wondering wondering wondering not coming to the end of faith .

No such thing as limbo or purgatory

 

[Bill]

Yes we are to pray without ceasing in whatsoever we do eating or drinking we can seek his rest yoked with Him.

We therefore can worship him everyday called today today or under the Sun. Having received the end of faith from the first time we heard the gospel of our salvation.

This is unlike Catholicism .They teach that only this queen of heaven entity that they call Mary received the fulness of grace, the full price of salvation . and every other person a remnant of grace and they must continue to work after there is no possibility (dead) to gain salvation for another unknown remnant of time forever wondering wondering wondering not coming to the end of faith .

No such thing as limbo or purgatory

Why bring up catholics, who cares what they think.

Let us just talk about scripture because the Word certainly came before that church.

Scripture states , "from this day forward all nations will call me blessed" This is God inspiring our sister Mary. Will you agree or not agree, it is God who is inspiring our sister Mary to speak?

If God is inspiring Mary to speak. And it is written in the Word, who are we to deny this?

Even more so, Jesus, specifically tells His Apostles and followers to break the bread "in rememberance of me". Do we have the right to deny Jesus the very thing He Has Requested?

 

[Garee]

Why bring up catholics, who cares what they think.

Let us just talk about scripture because the Word certainly came before that church.

Scripture states , "from this day forward all nations will call me blessed" This is God inspiring our sister Mary. Will you agree or not agree, it is God who is inspiring our sister Mary to speak?

If God is inspiring Mary to speak. And it is written in the Word, who are we to deny this?

Even more so, Jesus, specifically tells His Apostles and followers to break the bread "in rememberance of me". Do we have the right to deny Jesus the very thing He Has Requested?

They serve a different Mary as queen of heaven . Outside of the use of the name Mary or Peter there are no similarities in doctrine.

Mary and Peter are revealed as brothers and sisters in the lord .Not queen Mother and Holy father, as the infallible Pope . There is no line of Peter or Mary .

He calls all believer blessed when he inspires them .

No, we have a responsibility to rightly divide the word and not do despite to the grace of God again teaching that only this Mary queen of heaven received the fulness of grace the cost of redemption all other human a unkwon remmnt with no end in sight .

When we use metaphors in a parable like the remembrance ceremony. The round wafers does not become literal flesh and blood coming from the queen of heaven , the Catholic deity .

 

[Bill]

They serve a different Mary as queen of heaven . Outside of the use of the name Mary or Peter there are no similarities in doctrine.

Mary and Peter are revealed as brothers and sisters in the lord .Not queen Mother and Holy father, as the infallible Pope . There is no line of Peter or Mary .

He calls all believer blessed when he inspires them .

No, we have a responsibility to rightly divide the word and not do despite to the grace of God again teaching that only this Mary queen of heaven received the fulness of grace the cost of redemption all other human a unkwon remmnt with no end in sight .

When we use metaphors in a parable like the remembrance ceremony. The round wafers does not become literal flesh and blood coming from the queen of heaven , the Catholic deity .

Who calls all believers blessed? Can you show me another person God referred to as blessed in scripture? Anyone?
No?

Lol, good luck with that.

And the catholics dont serve Mary, only venerate her as mother of Jesus. And the catholics dont call Peter daddy either. Laughing my azz off!!!!

Now i have a question? You say, im guessing 'As Christians' "we have a responsibility to rightly divide the word" by what right do you claim to rightly divide anything? God brings things together, by what right do you claim to divide? Marriage is a union set by God. But man claims the right to divorce. Do you remember what Jesus says about that. It was because you were so stubborn.

So what then gives mankind the right to divide people from God? You dont have the authority to do so, nor do the catholics nor anyone else.

I told you before, but you wont listen. Just because others worship God differently than you, doesnt mean they dont worship God.

Lets use scripture as an example.

You would say, " only those who believe know Jesus, and accept Jesus with thier mouth, will ever enter heaven".

Now i know what YOU mean when you say this

But YOU dont understand the scripture where it is written.

And this is because you are only seeing Jesus as the physical Jesus.

We know God never changes. His Word is eternal. So when scripture states ( i. e. Jesus ) that you have to go though Jesus to enter paradise, or be with the Father. There is more to it than what you understand.

I would say that you feel you are knowledgeable of scripture, so now let us understand God.

( you see it all the time in front of you, but dont see this)

Jesus is the Word. The Jews recieved Jesus by accepting the Word into thier hearts.

Because God's Word is eternal, it doesnt matter when Jesus speaks, His words are before and after. As it is written in Revelations the Alpha and the Omega.

It is because of the Eternity of Jesus words, and that Jesus is the Word, this is what allowed Enoch to be taken to Heaven. It is what allowed Elijah to go to heaven as well.

Jesus states, "no one can go to the father but through me"

So you see, there is something more.

So going back to who has the right to divide. You do not ! Choosing to divide what God brings together, is like Satan telling God , i have a better plan

 

[Dave M]

Who calls all believers blessed?

sounds like all believers to me

Luke 11:28
But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

Jeremiah 17:7
“Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose trust is the Lord.

Psalm 1:1
Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers;

 

[Dave M]

And the catholics dont serve Mary,

worst yet they pray to her as a mediator between us and God that is a terrible thing, and I am sure it makes her sad. As Jesus died for us to be the ONLY mediator between man and God.

I born and raised catholic so this is first hand experince talking, they also pray to the saints and say they are mediators.

And the catholics dont call Peter daddy either

NO they call him the first pope wich is another lie, but since most catholics do not read the bible they do not know these things, you would think the priest would stand up to all the out right lies taught

 

[Shutterbug]

The spirit with which one looks upon Christmas Day and Good Friday/Easter Sunday is more important than its actual celebration. The world typically uses Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as poster children. I have worked so many Christmases and Easter Sundays that they're just another day of the week to me. I know, bad attitude that I'm now retired.

A number of items played into the Reformation. In Germany, Martin Luther posted several points he wished to discuss (I forget the actual word), and King Henry 8 wanted a divorce which the Pope denied him. While in the case of the latter the motives were self-serving, Luther was helped and hidden away by friends to avoid a death sentence. Both instances opened the door to break away from the Roman Catholic Church. They didn't disagree with all RCC policies, but there were some which they did. The sale of indulgences served the purpose of raising money to repair St. Peter's Basilica which was in serious need of repair.

Another item which had a greater effect was King James 1 of England commissioning a bible to be drafted in the language of the people so all could read and learn from it. I say a greater effect as it is still used today. I apologize for any errors.

I have spent numerous hours with Muslims discussing the accuracy of the Bible, its origins, and defending its many translations, It becomes discouraging when they pick it apart on some pretty trivial things. There are a few stories common to both the Bible and the Quran, but they are quite different. They will quote from it and play one of two games: it's been corrupted by the Christians and the original gospel of Jesus is lost and unknown; and, any Scripture which contradicts the Quran has been corrupted. Some were former Christians and can't grasp the Trinity and Islam simply makes more sense because there is only one God without partners which in part are RCC teachings.

Thanks for listening to an old sailor, Have a great day. Phil 4:8