Why do so many Christians support abortion, gay lifestyles, etc.,?

[Reba1]

There is nothing Christ like about encouraging - supporting- looking the 'other way' at sin . Sin that is clearly spelled out in Scripture. . There is zero compassion in not warning about hell what ever one believes hell is.

Carman said it well

Choose you this day, tell me who will you serve
Now's the time to stand up, let your voice be heard
You gotta come out from among the rest, and tell the gospel tale
You tell them black is black and white is white
Hell is hot and sin ain't right, God is holy and Christ is comin'
And righteousness will prevail

 

[MrBear]

Very good sister
We can’t prevent sin from happening around us but we don’t have to support it
Like a monk once said “ I can’t keep the birds from flying around my head, But I can keep them from building a nest in my hair”
SHALOM

 

[Waggles]

And i removed myself from "organised Religion" many years ago, for i believe once you institutionalise faith , once you constrict it by Human Laws and Commands you inevitably leave it open to the corruption, self serving and soul destroying forces so evident in much of todays "Organised religions".

Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
There is "organized religion" and there is the church of God - the Spirit-filled church with all the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit made manifest.

Hebrews 10:24 and let us consider one another unto provoking of love and good works;
25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is a custom of some, but exhorting; and so much the more, as ye see the day drawing nigh.

Herbivore animals are more safe in their herds. And predator lions lie in wait looking for the stragglers that stray from the herd.

 

[Reba1]

Most folks who totally discard "organized religion " have a problem with accepting the authority God set for the Church

 

[Rhema]

And yet, when Jesus came upon evil spirits inhabiting human bodies, the evil spirits knew who He was and asked Him to let them be, for it was "Not their time". So there is still a "time" that evil runs rampant upon the earth. Jesus allows this, and only casts them out of the current receptacle for them, not destroying them as He will in the future.

Brad, with all due respect, I STRONGLY encourage you to re-read those passages.

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?​

(Matthew 8:29 KJV)​

Before the time of their torment, Brad, not a "time" when evil is to run rampant...

That time came at the passion and resurrection of Christ:

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.​

(John 12:31 KJV)​

Now means NOW, sir.

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.​

(Matthew 5:13 KJV)​

Or might you have had a different passage in mind? Where in scripture is there a teaching about the evil spirits having a "time" ??

Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

Brad, with all due respect, I STRONGLY encourage you to re-read those passages.

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?​

(Matthew 8:29 KJV)​

Before the time of their torment, Brad, not a "time" when evil is to run rampant...

That time came at the passion and resurrection of Christ:

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.​

(John 12:31 KJV)​

Now means NOW, sir.

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.​

(Matthew 5:13 KJV)​

Or might you have had a different passage in mind? Where in scripture is there a teaching about the evil spirits having a "time" ??

Rhema

And yet, these words were spoken while Jesus was alive by Jesus. So certainly not "now" if at the resurrection. Time for humans is linear. I assume when Jesus said "now", He meant soon, and perhaps not all the evil beings (demons, etc) but Just their leader the prince. Soon because the actions about to occur as Jesus offered Himself up would be now in a spiritual sense. Are you saying that you believe that after the resurection, there were no more evil spirits, etc causing problems? If so, then what evil spirits were the disciples casting out after Jesus's ressurection and ascension?

 

[Gregoryp]

The torment the demons speak of is the fact the resurrection has occurred, and now they have that thought or knowledge to contend with. Before they had a glimmer of hope, as soon as Jesus died and was resurrected, all was lost for them, this is there torment.

 

[Reba1]

And yet, these words were spoken while Jesus was alive by Jesus. So certainly not "now" if at the resurrection. Time for humans is linear. I assume when Jesus said "now", He meant soon, and perhaps not all the evil beings (demons, etc) but Just their leader the prince. Soon because the actions about to occur as Jesus offered Himself up would be now in a spiritual sense. Are you saying that you believe that after the resurection, there were no more evil spirits, etc causing problems? If so, then what evil spirits were the disciples casting out after Jesus's ressurection and ascension?

Why do you not believe what Jesus said?

 

[Brad Huber]

Why do you not believe what Jesus said?

Why do you believe I dont? Are you psychic? Why is it that you would think you know even the tinniest little detail about me that you would judge me?

 

[Brad Huber]

Why do you not believe what Jesus said?

And also, I would ask that when you condemn me, you make it more clear what exactly you think I dont believe concerning Jesus.

 

[Reba1]

And yet, these words were spoken while Jesus was alive by Jesus. So certainly not "now" if at the resurrection. Time for humans is linear. I assume when Jesus said "now", He meant soon, and perhaps not all the evil beings (demons, etc) but Just their leader the prince. Soon because the actions about to occur as Jesus offered Himself up would be now in a spiritual sense. Are you saying that you believe that after the resurection, there were no more evil spirits, etc causing problems? If so, then what evil spirits were the disciples casting out after Jesus's ressurection and ascension?

I did not judge or condemn you . I ask you a direct simple question taken from your posting where you said I assume when Jesus said "now", He meant soon

 

[Brad Huber]

I did not judge or condemn you . I ask you a direct simple question taken from your posting where you said I assume when Jesus said "now", He meant soon

In previous times I have noted that you want things to be taken literally until you decide they should not be. I assumed you were asking me "Why arent you taking Jesus's words literally?" I assumed you were finding fault with me because I said perhaps soon instead of now per literal interpretation.

As to everything not being taken literally....

Exodus 19:4

‘You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself.

Did God actually carry over a million people by what we know to be eagles out of egypt? No.

So there are times that what is said in scripture doesnt mean what we believe it means or the literal meaning. Many people think they have more wisdom than anyone else and "know" when it doesnt mean literal in that instance. Its a mess that causes LOTS of arguements that I want NO part of, its foolishness to me, and I dont want any part of it.

The "apostles" believed that Jesus would return as He promised, before the last of them died in the earth. He did not return in the clouds for all the world to see at once while the apostles lived. They assumed He would. They had reason to believe it, but they were wrong.

Now as to my statement, first of all, I said assume, stating I wasnt sure, its just an assumption. But sinse there is still a lot of evil in this world and God hates evil, this evil is not God's will, so even though ALL power has been give to Christ, He allows evil still for His own reasons. I could speculate why, but I despise those who find fault with anything that is speculation. I say assume, I say speculate, I say a lot of things like that and yet there is always those who find fault with it. If you did not mean it that way, I apologize, I went on past posts that show your love of the literal explanation.

If you meant in a different way, please elaborate as I asked.

 

[Reba1]

In previous times I have noted that you want things to be taken literally until you decide they should not be. I assumed you were asking me "Why arent you taking Jesus's words literally?" I assumed you were finding fault with me because I said perhaps soon instead of now per literal interpretation.

As to everything not being taken literally....

Exodus 19:4

‘You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself.

Did God actually carry over a million people by what we know to be eagles out of egypt? No.

So there are times that what is said in scripture doesnt mean what we believe it means or the literal meaning. Many people think they have more wisdom than anyone else and "know" when it doesnt mean literal in that instance. Its a mess that causes LOTS of arguements that I want NO part of, its foolishness to me, and I dont want any part of it.

The "apostles" believed that Jesus would return as He promised, before the last of them died in the earth. He did not return in the clouds for all the world to see at once while the apostles lived. They assumed He would. They had reason to believe it, but they were wrong.

Now as to my statement, first of all, I said assume, stating I wasnt sure, its just an assumption. But sinse there is still a lot of evil in this world and God hates evil, this evil is not God's will, so even though ALL power has been give to Christ, He allows evil still for His own reasons. I could speculate why, but I despise those who find fault with anything that is speculation. I say assume, I say speculate, I say a lot of things like that and yet there is always those who find fault with it. If you did not mean it that way, I apologize, I went on past posts that show your love of the literal explanation.

If you meant in a different way, please elaborate as I asked.

I asked the question I ask which was I can't use the quote feature but this is close. ... Why don't you believe what Jesus said. In my opinion you have chosen to deflect and not answer. I said nothing about literal. Jesus said says what He does and you choose not to believe Him. That was proven again in the above post . You and I are both welcome to our views. Who is any one to assume Christ did not say what He meant to say? Did He misspeak?

 

[Rhema]

And yet, these words were spoken while Jesus was alive by Jesus.

Jesus spoke a lot of words. And the sequence (time referent) matters.

So certainly not "now" if at the resurrection.

Whose resurrection? I had quite clearly said the resurrection of Jesus. Your phrasing might indicate what Paul called the "out-resurrection" or the resurrection of all the dead, so I'm not all that sure what you mean.

I assume when Jesus said "now", He meant soon,

Technically, it is recorded that Jesus said νῦν (G3568). A quick look at any lexicon (even Strong's dictionary) would show the word can be used within the context of "soon," and the twelfth chapter of John starts to introduce what is typically known as the Passion of Christ that culminates in the resurrection of Jesus and the prince of this world being cast out (as prince).

Soon because the actions about to occur as Jesus offered Himself up would be now in a spiritual sense.

??? Jesus was crucified "spiritually" ??? Not actually ??? Was then he also resurrected spiritually instead of actually (physically) ???

Are you saying that you believe that after the resurection, there were no more evil spirits, etc causing problems?

No, what I've said is this:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)​

Satan no longer has power/authority on earth. ALL of such was given to Jesus.

If so, then what evil spirits were the disciples casting out after Jesus's ressurection and ascension?

The same ones that I've cast out, having been granted Regency to do so. They may be here and there, but they have no "power/authority."

Most Christians have been brainwashed into believing that Satan is the god of this world and as such has power and authority. This is a lie. And the truth will set you free. I give as an example, the mighty elephant who when young is attached to a post by a thick heavy rope around its leg until it learns it cannot escape. When older and even stronger, a thin rope will suffice to "cage" the elephant. Even though the elephant has the power to rip it out, it no longer believes it does and so will stay tethered. If one has not been taught that one has power/authority over evil, and has not been trained how to use such, then the result is the world you see - an illusion.

Rhema

Again... Where in scripture is there a teaching about the evil spirits having a "time" to run helter-skelter??

 

[Rhema]

The torment the demons speak of is the fact the resurrection has occurred, and now they have that thought or knowledge to contend with. Before they had a glimmer of hope, as soon as Jesus died and was resurrected, all was lost for them, this is there torment.

And yet they carry on in their agenda.

 

[Brad Huber]

I asked the question I ask which was I can't use the quote feature but this is close. ... Why don't you believe what Jesus said. In my opinion you have chosen to deflect and not answer. I said nothing about literal. Jesus said says what He does and you choose not to believe Him. That was proven again in the above post . You and I are both welcome to our views. Who is any one to assume Christ did not say what He meant to say? Did He misspeak?

You see, I do believe Jesus, and you saying I dont makes me a bit furious. Thats the judgement that you said earlier that you havent done. Here is something that scripture says....

1 Corinthians 14:34
the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

You who loves the literal, even though you say you dont care about it, what is this literally saying?

And before you say this is not a church, the true church is where any 2 or more are gathered "in His name" for the purpose of sharing faith. You not only speak through words printed, you also teach. What does scripture say about this teacher?

 

[Brad Huber]

Jesus spoke a lot of words. And the sequence (time referent) matters.


Whose resurrection? I had quite clearly said the resurrection of Jesus. Your phrasing might indicate what Paul called the "out-resurrection" or the resurrection of all the dead, so I'm not all that sure what you mean.


Technically, it is recorded that Jesus said νῦν (G3568). A quick look at any lexicon (even Strong's dictionary) would show the word can be used within the context of "soon," and the twelfth chapter of John starts to introduce what is typically known as the Passion of Christ that culminates in the resurrection of Jesus and the prince of this world being cast out (as prince).


??? Jesus was crucified "spiritually" ??? Not actually ??? Was then he also resurrected spiritually instead of actually (physically) ???


No, what I've said is this:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)​

Satan no longer has power/authority on earth. ALL of such was given to Jesus.


The same ones that I've cast out, having been granted Regency to do so. They may be here and there, but they have no "power/authority."

Most Christians have been brainwashed into believing that Satan is the god of this world and as such has power and authority. This is a lie. And the truth will set you free. I give as an example, the mighty elephant who when young is attached to a post by a thick heavy rope around its leg until it learns it cannot escape. When older and even stronger, a thin rope will suffice to "cage" the elephant. Even though the elephant has the power to rip it out, it no longer believes it does and so will stay tethered. If one has not been taught that one has power/authority over evil, and has not been trained how to use such, then the result is the world you see - an illusion.

Rhema

Again... Where in scripture is there a teaching about the evil spirits having a "time" to run helter-skelter??

You discount what I say, and simply put out more reasons to believe what you do. You are not evil by any means, but you are not teachable either, I leave you to your faith, whatever it may be, and your faith will be between you and the Lord.

 

[Reba1]

You see, I do believe Jesus, and you saying I dont makes me a bit furious. Thats the judgement that you said earlier that you havent done. Here is something that scripture says....

1 Corinthians 14:34
the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

You who loves the literal, even though you say you dont care about it, what is this literally saying?

And before you say this is not a church, the true church is where any 2 or more are gathered "in His name" for the purpose of sharing faith. You not only speak through words printed, you also teach. What does scripture say about this teacher?

You are deflecting again ,,, Please post where i have said where i said I dont care about the literal.

You see, I do believe Jesus, and you saying I dont makes me a bit furious. Thats the judgement that you said earlier that you havent done

The "apostles" believed that Jesus would return as He promised, before the last of them died in the earth. He did not return in the clouds for all the world to see at once while the apostles lived. They assumed He would. They had reason to believe it, but they were wrong.

Luk_9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Mar_9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
So again you do not believe what Jesus said.



Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
(John 12:31 KJV)
You choose not to believe Him here also...
For the sake of understanding i will pose this .. Brad says to his son ..." Jr. now is the time to wash the truck" Brad gets home from work the truck is not washed ... Asking Jr. about it he said i assumed you meant soon.

There is an ignore feature on the site.. I think i remember if you go to a members profile there is a circle with a line through it you can salience me there.

 

[B-A-C]

Luke 19:11; While they were listening to these things, Jesus went on to tell a parable, because He was near Jerusalem, and they supposed that the kingdom of God was going to appear immediately.

It seems there have always been people who think the kingdom of God is already here. (as opposed to the kingdom of Heaven) but Jesus said it wasn't.
In fact immediately after this verse, He tells the story of the two faithful stewards, and the one unfaithful steward. The purpose of this parable is to say
the Master is watching to see what you're going to do with what He has given you, before He comes back.

2Tim 2:18; men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.

There are some who believe some people have already been resurrected.. they have gone astray from the truth as well.

Rev 20:2; And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Rev 20:3; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

There are some who believe Jesus has already returned (they believe it is only a spiritual thing) and that Satan is already in the pit. But even if this was true, Satan is eventually released again.

Rev 20:7; When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
Rev 20:8; and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

Psa 2:9; 'You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware.'"
Rev 2:27; AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father;
Rev 12:5; And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
Rev 19:15; From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.

Of course during the millennial reign, Jesus will be ruling with a rod of iron. No nonsense allowed, no false religions allowed. (are there still false religions in the world right now?)
Also when Jesus comes back, everyone will see Him. Even the unbelievers.

Rev 1:7; BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

No one has seen this yet. It has been well over a thousand years since 70ad, and still none of this has happened, ... yet.

 

[Rhema]

You discount what I say,

Because what you say has not made sense. There are statements of fact made before the Crucifixion-/-Resurrection of Christ that no longer applied afterwards. In addition, there are statements of fact made before the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (cf. Acts 2) that no longer applied afterwards. This is why I said the time referent matters.

You are not evil by any means, but you are not teachable either,

Right back at ya, especially since I have consistently demonstrated my position by scripture, yet you have not. Simply stated, if someone else's doctrine does not make sense, why would I allow it to teach me?

I leave you to your faith, whatever it may be, and your faith will be between you and the Lord.

I've directly explained my Faith, so the "whatever it may be" is a disingenuous dismissal on your part. Don't get bent out of shape, learn from what I post. I have conclusively shown where you don't believe what is written. Have you done the same for me? (No. You have not.)

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:​

(1 Peter 3:15 KJV)​

The hope is within me, because Jesus has already defeated the devil and all the hosts of hell, having been given ALL power/authority in heaven AND in Earth. You just don't know how to effect that in the world. So should I leave you to your ignorance? In essence, a believer who refuses to accept the direct statement of Jesus that He has ALL power/authority in heaven and in Earth has chosen to let the demons run havoc in the world. (And then use that havoc to mislead others.)

Rhema