Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be

[God's Truth]

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

How do you apply the above verses to mean if sinners were to repent from all sins first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ to be saved because that would mean we were not saved by grace when it involves the work you insists that all sinners must repent from all sins first in order to be saved by Jesus Christ.

Saved by grace and not works of the law which are the purification works.

After sinners are saved, then they start running that race daily by looking to Jesus Christ to help them lay aside every weight & sin in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son to be fruitful as His disciples & being ready to go when the Bridegroom comes.

Jesus says: Repent or perish.
You say: No, Jesus, I will repent after you save me.

I am not saying not to repent from sins, but I am saying for habitual sinners out there that have tried to quit sinning and could not, that they are to come to Jesus Christ anyway because that is His job to destroy the work of the devil in our lives so we can follow Him as His disciples.

We STILL HAVE TO CONFESS our SINS and tell Jesus we repent of them---we don't want to do them anymore.
We have to do that to get saved.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

To make sure you are reading this; Whose work is it to destroy the work of the devil in our lives above? Answer please.

Those scriptures tell US TO PURIFY OURSELVES by obeying.

1 Peter 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Again, who began the good work in you? You repenting from all sins first or did He saved you when you believed in Him to be saved? And Who will finish that work? You or Him?

The Philippians OBEY.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Who shall deliver you from every evil work? You or Him? Who will preserve you unto His heavenly kingdom? You or Him? Do you trust Him to do it as God or not?

Paul is talking about the evil work people do AGAINST HIM, like putting him in the LION'S DEN.

Just read the very next scripture that you quoted.

That is why it is written simply that the just shall live by faith...

We live by faith means we have faith in Jesus and we don't have to do the purification works of the law.

in Him and His New Covenant to us that He will do this. When I see His commandment, I go to Him to help me to do it. That's faith in Him applied. Where is yours?

You preach against us obeying Jesus to get saved. You really think Jesus wants you to keep doing that?

 

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Subject heading:- Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be​

Hello @PloughBoy,

The Thread has strayed from your original question, but I believe it is indicative of why we, as a 'Body', are unable to do anything corporately. For it would seem that there is no agreement even in regard to the gospel message!!

'For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.'
(Eph 2:8-10)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Hello @God's Truth,

Paul said:-

'For we know that the law is spiritual:
.. but I am carnal, sold under sin.
.... For that which I do I allow not:
...... for what I would, that do I not;
........ but what I hate, that do I.
.......... If then I do that which I would not,
............ I consent unto the law that it is good.
.............. Now then it is no more I that do it,
................ but sin that dwelleth in me.
.................. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,)
.................... dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me;
.. but how to perform that which is good I find not.
.... For the good that I would I do not:
...... but the evil which I would not, that I do.
........ Now if I do that I would not,
.......... it is no more I that do it,
............ but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law,
.. that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
.... For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
...... But I see another law in my members,
........ warring against the law of my mind,
.......... and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am!
.. Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
.... I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
...... So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
........ but with the flesh the law of sin.'
(Rom 7:14-25)

* This is why I say that I am a sinner, saved by grace. (in replies #17,#19,#23)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Subject heading:- Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be​

Hello @PloughBoy,

The Thread has strayed from your original question, but I believe it is indicative of why we, as a 'Body', are unable to do anything corporately. For it would seem that there is no agreement even in regard to the gospel message!!

'For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.'
(Eph 2:8-10)

Not of works ARE THE WORKS OF THE OLD LAW CALLED THE PURIFICATION WORKS.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The reason why it is getting to be so hard for us as a body to warn people of the wrath that is to come IS BECAUSE people preach faith alone.

When people were coming to John to baptize them, he saw people who believed coming...
He knew they weren't going to repent of their sins.
He called them vipers for just coming and not repenting.

Do you want vipers to come to think they are saved?


Luke 3:7 Then John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?



If you believe the wrath of God is still a real thing to come but don't believe anyone has to repent of their sins, that is one coming to be saved as just a viper.

People who come to Jesus to be saved and just believe---and they don't repent of their sins---they are like the vipers who came to get baptized.

Luke 3:8 Therefore produce fruit worthy of repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

 

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Hello @God's Truth,

You would be advised to go away and actually read your Bible, for you are not reflecting God's Truth.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[God's Truth]

Hello @God's Truth,

Paul said:-

'For we know that the law is spiritual:
.. but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Paul is speaking about a person UNDER THE OLD LAW and without faith!
A CARNAL person is a person who WANTS TO SIN.

.... For that which I do I allow not:
...... for what I would, that do I not;
........ but what I hate, that do I.
.......... If then I do that which I would not,

Do you REALLY think that Paul is speaking about himself AFTER he is saved?!!!

You think that AFTER Paul is saved he only does what he does NOT want to do?????

............ I consent unto the law that it is good.
.............. Now then it is no more I that do it,
................ but sin that dwelleth in me.

You think that Paul, AFTER HE IS SAVED---there is SIN DWELLING IN HIM?

.................. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,)
.................... dwelleth no good thing:

You think that after Paul is saved, that NO GOOD THING IS IN HIM?

for to will is present with me;
.. but how to perform that which is good I find not.
.... For the good that I would I do not:
...... but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Listen to what YOU are saying.
You were taught wrong about Romans 7!

You really want to keep saying that false witness lie that Paul only did EVIL?

........ Now if I do that I would not,
.......... it is no more I that do it,
............ but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law,
.. that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
.... For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
...... But I see another law in my members,
........ warring against the law of my mind,
.......... and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am!
.. Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
.... I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
...... So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
........ but with the flesh the law of sin.'
(Rom 7:14-25)

* This is why I say that I am a sinner, saved by grace.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

A sinner saved by GRACE means no one has to work at purifying themselves every day for their whole lives because just by you having faith that Jesus' blood purifies you now is what purifies you now---after you repent of your sins.

 

[*Lavender]

God's truth . Just an idea . Would you consider starting a new thread and so this topic can be discussed fully at length and as deeply as you want.
Sorry I haven't had a chance to look at the posts so far of today.

 

[God's Truth]

Hello @God's Truth,

You would be advised to go away and actually read your Bible, for you are not reflecting God's Truth.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

How pathetic of you. I reply to what you say and I do it with scripture, and all you have are insults.

 

[God's Truth]

God's truth . Just an idea . Would you consider starting a new thread and so this topic can be discussed fully at length and as deeply as you want.
Sorry I haven't had a chance to look at the posts so far of today.

I am speaking about the wrath. That isn't on TOPIC to you?

 

[*Lavender]

I just read Romans 7 and 8. Paul must have been born again then. If you read this with a fine tooth comb. Please also refer to Romans 8:1-4
Paul also addressing this to himself and others in Christ. v4

in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in "us", who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

What does it mean if it doesn't mean what it says.
So Gods truth when do you believe Paul became born again. Can you show this in scripture when?

Thanks. Please keep this calm because that's how the truth is obtained, in being still to God.

 

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[God's Truth]

I just read Romans 7 and 8. Paul must have been born again then. If you read this with a fine tooth comb. Please also refer to Romans 8:1-4
Paul also addressing this to himself and others in Christ. v4

Romans 8 it is Paul speaking about life AFTER being saved.

in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in "us", who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

What does it mean if it doesn't mean what it says.

Romans 7 is Paul describing what it is like for someone under the old law and without faith and then in Romans 8 he describes how it is after one is saved.

You really can't see that?

In Romans 7 he speaks of a person that can't do good but only evil, and then he speaks of the person saved and living after the Spirit in Romans 8. Do you really think that the saved in Romans 8 doesn't have anything but evil in them? Would that make sense to you to say a saved person only has evil in them and can't do anything good?

You were taught wrong about many scriptures and I understand how hard it is to admit that, since I have been in false denomination myself, but God's Truth is worth knowing and giving up the false beliefs for.

So Gods truth when do you believe Paul became born again. Can you show this in scripture when?

Paul is born again while he speaks to the people in Romans 7, he is describing in a very exaggerated way what it is like for those under the law and wanting to sin and not having faith. You really can't understand that? Really? Calvin and Lutheran teachers teach much falseness about people being only evil all the time. However, Jesus teaches that there are righteous people, and people with good hearts who later get saved.

 

[God's Truth]

I just read Romans 7 and 8. Paul must have been born again then. If you read this with a fine tooth comb.

I have studied the scriptures deeply after being in false teachings AND REPENTED of those false teachings. Have you ever done that?

Thanks. Please keep this calm because that's how the truth is obtained, in being still to God.

The truth is obtained by being still to God?!!! You can't just make stuff up.

 

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How pathetic of you. I reply to what you say and I do it with scripture, and all you have are insults.

Hello @God's Truth,

I apologise for any offence caused. It was not intended as an insult, just an observation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GodB4Us]

What?!!! What does that mean?! What do you mean we are to trust the Lord to help us to follow him and NOT look to ourselves to do it by the "religious flesh"? And what do you mean and not by the will power like keeping a commitment or promise?!

Those are two separate questions about things you said.

Not really. I have been saying this to you for so long and so many times, that I have to wonder why you are acting like you never heard of this before.

What do you trust Jesus Christ to do for you other than having died on the cross for your sins? Did you think when Jesus ascended that He said to His disciples, "Good luck. You are going to need it." ? No. He said all power was given unto Him in heaven and in earth and that He was going to be with us always. So what good is saying that unless He wants us to know He will help us to teach other not only His commandments but to help us keep them too by His power.

I have to go and hopefully can be back soon to finish replying to the rest of your post.

Seeing how you replied to the next post to somebody else which got posted only a minute later, I am dubious about your sincerity on the matters of faith.

 

[God's Truth]

Not really. I have been saying this to you for so long and so many times, that I have to wonder why you are acting like you never heard of this before.

You are the one who can't explain your beliefs. I asked and you just don't explain and give supporting scriptures.

What do you trust Jesus Christ to do for you other than having died on the cross for your sins?

I trust everything that Jesus says to do. Jesus starts by saying to repent of sins or perish, I believe him so I repented of my sins.

Did you think when Jesus ascended that He said to His disciples, "Good luck. You are going to need it." ? No. He said all power was given unto Him in heaven and in earth and that He was going to be with us always. So what good is saying that unless He wants us to know He will help us to teach other not only His commandments but to help us keep them too by His power.

Where do you ever get that I teach Jesus didn't come back and give his Spirit to his disciples and that he gives all his Spirit when he accepts you.

Seeing how you replied to the next post to somebody else which got posted only a minute later, I am dubious about your sincerity on the matters of faith.

Do you really think that is a righteous judgment?

 

[GodB4Us]

Maybe. False Converts were never saved to begin with. If their fruits after the fact do not line up with God then they never truly asked God for forgiveness and therefore He never gave it.
The ones who did the motions and words but only go to church one a month and on a few holidays while giving poor excuses.
Those you wouldn't know were Christian if they told you b/c you can easily see no change.
Those that realize their sins are more precious but scared to change or realize the truth.
Change MUST happen in the new Christian.

I believe it would be impossible for any one to judge a professing believer as a false convert. Only God can know that.

We can judge when someone is not abiding in Him & His words as His disciples, but to judge as to condemn some professing believer as not a Christian or not saved, is something I have never seen given as a judgment for us to do in scripture. Indeed, Paul goes to the defense of former believers that were led astray by some lie that He still abides in them even if they wind up denying Him for why He would deny them at the rapture event but still abides in them.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

We see here that if a former believer is called to depart from iniquity then he or she becomes a vessel unto honor to be received by the Bridegroom but if remaining as former believers as well as carnal Christians in unrepentant iniquity, then they are denied by Him for why they will become vessels unto dishonor in His House as resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels of wood & earth to reign with Christ as kings and priests in that millennial reign of the King of kings.

 

[GodB4Us]

What? That doesn't make sense. I gave you scripture from the Bible and you talk about unbiblical things.

You were paraphrasing and applying it out of context.

The people started sinning and Jesus warns them to repent of their sins.

Jesus did not call the righteous but sinners to repentance, but you & I have a different idea of what that repentance entails in order to be saved by Jesus Christ; you say repent from all sins and I say to repent from unbelief by believing in Him.

Didn't you even read the the chapter in Revelations that says to return to your first love by repenting of your SINS, like MURDER, and worshipping demons and idols and sexual immorality, and stealing.

It does NOT say what you said.

Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Not sure why you seem to think I am advocating for a sinner to keep on sinning either when they are to look to Jesus for the help they need to be delivered from their sins and to stop sinning daily in running that race in being His disciples..

 

[GodB4Us]

If a person does NOT REPENT of their SINS, then they cannot be saved.

If they repent by believing in Him, they are saved because in order for them to believe in Him, the Father had to have drawn them unto the Son John 6:44 KJV to reveal His Son to them Matthew 11:25-27 KJV so they can believe in Him and be saved as their believing in Him is a work of God as well John 3:18-21 & as the Father is the One that gives the sinners to the Son for the Son to save those that believe as that is the Father's will John 6:37-40 KJV.

Jesus says to repent of sins, so does the apostle Paul.
Paul didn't remain doing the things of a chief of sinners!

Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

Not believing in God and His words was Adam's sin that was passed on to generations. Therefore to believe in God and His words that by believing in Him is how we are saved is paramount and goes to the glory of God in salvation.

He wasn't saved yet on that road to Damascus.

And yet my point was that Paul, as the murdering of Christians Saul, was not seeking God in that matter nor repenting from all sins when Jesus had appeared to him on that road to Damascus. Saul believe he was doing God's service by killing Christians. So how fair was that in regards to you repenting from all sins before Jesus could save you when Jesus appeared to him while in transit to do more arrests and murder? Where is Saul's repentance before Jesus revealed Himself to him so he can believe in Him and be saved?

Jesus said to go to Saul for HE IS PRAYING.

Because they love their sins more than God. That is what God says as to why.

And yet Saul was praying for what?

Acts 9:10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.

Did God told Ananias that Saul had repented?

Did Ananias asked Saul if he had repented from all sins first before laying hands on him to receive his sight & the Holy Ghost at His salvation?

You would think that right? To make sure this murderer of Christians will not kill you after receiving his sights once more as well as repenting from all sins. So where is your vaunted call to repentance from all sins in relations to Saul?

Nowhere in sight. But Saul certainly believed in Jesus Christ after that encounter on the road to Damascus.