Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be

[GodB4Us]

Saved by grace and not works of the law which are the purification works.

You keep inferring purification works done and to be practiced by man when it is citing against you, as any man, as in any sinner, being able to do anything by your merit or will power to save yourself and that has to include repenting from all sins first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ for Him to save you.

But you are not obeying the truth of the gospel by repenting from unbelief by only believing in Him in how you are to be saved by Jesus Christ. Then you repent from all other sins by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily as we can only live that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ by walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son thereby being ready BY Him for the Bridegroom for when He comes..

 

[God's Truth]

You keep inferring purification works done and to be practiced by man when it is citing against you, as any man, as in any sinner, being able to do anything by your merit or will power to save yourself and that has to include repenting from all sins first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ for Him to save you.

When Paul says not of works he, the once pharisee is explaining why no one has to do those works anymore.

People misunderstood Paul even back then and James rebukes them for thinking it and so does Peter, with some pretty harsh and necessary words, that you ignore, so that you can hold onto a teaching of some preacher that tickled your ears.

See 2 James and 2 Peter 3:16 and 17.

Deal with those scriptures.

You don't want to face the truth that the purification works are the works of the law that are no more, and you claim even obeying Jesus who came to tell us the Way is no more. LOL LOL LOL

How dumb really, when you really think about it, to say Jesus came to show us the way, and then died and killed everything he taught. Good grief people.

Jesus: Do this and do that and don't do this and don't do that, if you do this and unless you do this, then you can't be saved...

Most Christians: No, Jesus, you died and now all of your teachings telling us what to do and not to do died with you, and now we don't have to do anything but believe.

But you are not obeying the truth of the gospel by repenting from unbelief by only believing in Him in how you are to be saved by Jesus Christ.

Is that a magic potion word salad, some kind of word gymnastics?

People aren't born knowing about Jesus.

No Jews knew of Jesus until he came and preached.

What you are claiming doesn't make sense.

We have to repent of our SINS.

Then you repent from all other sins by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily

Weight and sin daily? Give the scripture for that fancy footwork.

That scripture is about NOT SINNING and obey.

Where does it say daily?!

So we repent for not believing in someone no one heard of before and not of sins, EVEN THOUGH John the baptizer, then Jesus himself preached repent of SINS, and did ALL the apostles including Paul? lol

as we can only live that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ by walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son thereby being ready BY Him for the Bridegroom for when He comes..

You aren't repenting of preaching falseness and that is a sin.

 

[God's Truth]

If they repent by believing in Him,

No such thing as repent means to believe in Jesus.

Get out of the false teachings, people.

they are saved because in order for them to believe in Him, the Father had to have drawn them unto the Son John 6:44 KJV to reveal His Son to them Matthew 11:25-27 KJV so they can believe in Him and be saved as their believing in Him

They were drawn to Jesus because they recognized Jesus as speaking the words of God---because they had faith and knowledge of God and already belonged to the Father before Jesus came. Just read the very next scripture 45.

 

[God's Truth]

Not believing in God and His words was Adam's sin that was passed on to generations.

Not obeying was the sin.

And yet my point was that Paul, as the murdering of Christians Saul, was not seeking God in that matter nor repenting from all sins when Jesus had appeared to him on that road to Damascus. Saul believe he was doing God's service by killing Christians.

Paul was not saved yet until he repented of his sins.

So how fair was that in regards to you repenting from all sins before Jesus could save you when Jesus appeared to him while in transit to do more arrests and murder?

He wasn't saved yet.

Where is Saul's repentance before Jesus revealed Himself to him so he can believe in Him and be saved?

I keep telling you, but you are like an ensnared person that can't be reasoned with.

And yet Saul was praying for what?

Acts 9:10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.

Did God told Ananias that Saul had repented?

He was praying and if you don't think that he was begging for forgiveness then that is more proof that you are ensnared too hard.

Did Ananias asked Saul if he had repented from all sins first before laying hands on him to receive his sight & the Holy Ghost at His salvation?

Bad.

You would think that right? To make sure this murderer of Christians will not kill you after receiving his sights once more as well as repenting from all sins. So where is your vaunted call to repentance from all sins in relations to Saul?

Nowhere in sight. But Saul certainly believed in Jesus Christ after that encounter on the road to Damascus.

Keep preaching falseness then and see what happens and what is happening.

 

[GodB4Us]

When Paul says not of works he, the once pharisee is explaining why no one has to do those works anymore.

People misunderstood Paul even back then and James rebukes them for thinking it and so does Peter, with some pretty harsh and necessary words, that you ignore, so that you can hold onto a teaching of some preacher that tickled your ears.

See 2 James and 2 Peter 3:16 and 17.

Deal with those scriptures.

James was talking about the abuse from Christian churches towards the poor in how they give the best seats to the rich and trued to get out of helping the poor with their immediate needs by voicing their faith in God to provide for the poor as if God will do as they give that benediction to the departing poor after church service. So if you are like many errant believers thinking James was talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation ( which is without works ) then you be wrong when James was rebuking the other abuse of the church in getting out of helping the poor by voicing their faith in God to provide for the poor without leading by example in meeting the immediate needs of the por from the bounty collected at church service.

There.. dealt with James 2nd chapter.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

That can apply to your false teaching that man has to save themselves by repenting from all sins first before God is able to save you.

What does grace mean to you? How can you prove to me that you have accepted His grace by how He has saved you? I can by taking at Hs word that by believing in Him is how I am saved by the grace of God. Can you say the same?

You don't want to face the truth that the purification works are the works of the law that are no more, and you claim even obeying Jesus who came to tell us the Way is no more. LOL LOL LOL

Yet you laugh at it? How serious can you be about this so called offense you claim I am doing?

I say Jesus wants you to trust Him as your Savior that by believing in Him is how you are saved by the grace of God and no work you can claim as your own.

I also say that Jesus wants you to trust Him as your Good Shepherd that He will help you to follow Him and abide in His words to be fruitful as His disciple and that also includes looking to Him to help us lay aside every weight &sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

But you seem to preach the opposite. Indeed, you seem to deny Him as your Saviour by how you are saved by the grace of God by believing in Him. You even deny Him as your Good Shepherd as you preach man thus religion.. as if you can finish by the flesh what was begun in the Spirit by Jesus Christ as if He is not going to finish His work in you to His glory as in helping you run that race daily, but no... you are the one that has to do it and somehow you will get the glory for it in Heaven while Jesus fades to the limelight so you can bask in the glory that is rightfully His getting pats on the back and people all congratulating you and say.. Who is the Lord?!! You & we saved ourselves !! Jesus died for nothing !!!

Are you done insulting my faith in Jesus Christ? Then stop preaching man.. as in stop preaching yourself. You could not save yourself and therefore you cannot follow Him either by your will power in keeping a commitment or a promise.

How dumb really, when you really think about it, to say Jesus came to show us the way, and then died and killed everything he taught. Good grief people.

Jesus: Do this and do that and don't do this and don't do that, if you do this and unless you do this, then you can't be saved...

Most Christians: No, Jesus, you died and now all of your teachings telling us what to do and not to do died with you, and now we don't have to do anything but believe.

Is that a magic potion word salad, some kind of word gymnastics?

People aren't born knowing about Jesus.

No Jews knew of Jesus until he came and preached.

What you are claiming doesn't make sense.

We have to repent of our SINS.


Weight and sin daily? Give the scripture for that fancy footwork.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Okay now will you repent?

That scripture is about NOT SINNING and obey.

Where does it say daily?!

The race is still on for why you are not perfect yet so that is why it is daily.

Did not Jesus taught His disciples this daily prayer?

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Look at why below.

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Look at what Jesus sad to Peter when he had asked this question;

Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

See why you need to be ready to forgive your bother as much as the Father will forgive you of your trespasses aka sins.

Matthew 18:23-35 KJV Just click on that scripture link if you wish to read it but somehow I doubt that you will.

So we repent for not believing in someone no one heard of before and not of sins, EVEN THOUGH John the baptizer, then Jesus himself preached repent of SINS, and did ALL the apostles including Paul? lol

Keep laughing. John the Baptizer was the only one that requires repenting from sins in getting his kind of water baptism. John did not say all sins either but he did address the ones the Pharisees were avoiding but they were seeking his water baptism anyway. So guess what? His water baptism doesn't work if the Pharisees were just doing it for show and not doing true repentance of sins in having his water baptism.

But Peter said to the Gentiles that believing in Him is how you receive the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost but you chose to ignore that cause and effect on how the Gentiles were actually saved in Acts 2:43-48 KJV

You aren't repenting of preaching falseness and that is a sin.

 

[GodB4Us]

No such thing as repent means to believe in Jesus.

Get out of the false teachings, people.

Then explain what Peter said to the Gentiles. Acts 10:43-48 KJV I do not see the call to repent from all sins.

They were drawn to Jesus because they recognized Jesus as speaking the words of God---because they had faith and knowledge of God and already belonged to the Father before Jesus came. Just read the very next scripture 45.

And by believing in Him and His words about how they are saved by believing in Him is the power of God in salvation to save those that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Now you repent of your false teachings, brother.

 

[GodB4Us]

Not obeying was the sin.

Paul was not saved yet until he repented of his sins.


He wasn't saved yet.

I keep telling you, but you are like an ensnared person that can't be reasoned with.

He was praying and if you don't think that he was begging for forgiveness then that is more proof that you are ensnared too hard.

Bad.

Keep preaching falseness then and see what happens and what is happening.

You may pride yourself as self taught as if not taught by others but that can be your undoing, brother.

 

[God's Truth]

James was talking about the abuse from Christian churches towards the poor in how they give the best seats to the rich and trued to get out of helping the poor with their immediate needs by voicing their faith in God to provide for the poor as if God will do as they give that benediction to the departing poor after church service.

James taught that it was wrong to believe in faith alone.

So if you are like many errant believers thinking James was talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation

James is speaking about that.

( which is without works )

Without works of the law, which are the purification/ceremonial works.

then you be wrong when James was rebuking the other abuse of the church in getting out of helping the poor by voicing their faith in God to provide for the poor without leading by example in meeting the immediate needs of the por from the bounty collected at church service.

You are speaking against what is written, for James uses many examples of faith without works and it wasn't just about the poor.


18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

There.. dealt with James 2nd chapter.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

That can apply to your false teaching that man has to save themselves by repenting from all sins first before God is able to save you.

You can't hide from what is said from Peter in the Holy Bible.
Look at what he is saying.
He heard of the false faith alone misunderstanding, and then he warns people to obey.

Paul explains it too.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

James 1:16 Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters.

James 1:22 Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves.

What does grace mean to you?

Grace is that we don't have to go to an earthly temple and go to priest and have lambs sacrificed for us and us bring animals to sacrifice and no more circumcision and special diet and various external washings...
Grace is by faith now meaning we just have to have faith that Jesus purifies us now and not the blood of lambs, for he is the Lamb sacrificed once and for all.

Grace is that after I confess and repent to Jesus and receive his Spirit, I am reconciled to God.

How can you prove to me that you have accepted His grace by how He has saved you? I can by taking at Hs word that by believing in Him is how I am saved by the grace of God. Can you say the same?

You go against our doing anything that Jesus says to do to get saved.
That means you go against Jesus telling us to repent of our sins, and how to prepare our hearts for him to live there.
You go against the very way to get saved and to stay saved.

Yet you laugh at it? How serious can you be about this so called offense you claim I am doing?

It is very serious and I have been trying patiently to explain it to you and you just keep repeating the same false things your false teachers taught you.

I say Jesus wants you to trust Him as your Savior that by believing in Him is how you are saved by the grace of God and no work you can claim as your own.

That is some mumbo jumbo your false teachers say.
I trust everything that Jesus says.
Jesus says repent of your sins or perish.
Do you trust that?

But you seem to preach the opposite. Indeed, you seem to deny Him as your Saviour by how you are saved by the grace of God by believing in Him. You even deny Him as your Good Shepherd as you preach man thus religion.. as if you can finish by the flesh what was begun in the Spirit by Jesus Christ as if He is not going to finish His work in you to His glory as in helping you run that race daily, but no... you are the one that has to do it and somehow you will get the glory for it in Heaven while Jesus fades to the limelight so you can bask in the glory that is rightfully His getting pats on the back and people all congratulating you and say.. Who is the Lord?!! You & we saved ourselves !! Jesus died for nothing !!!

You aren't making any sense.
Jesus says his words are Spirit and life and that we are to eat him and that is only done by our obeying what he says.

You go against that and say it is wrong.

You don't see that the devil is behind that? Who but the devil would like for one to teach that to obey Jesus is somehow wrong and sinful?

Are you done insulting my faith in Jesus Christ? Then stop preaching man.. as in stop preaching yourself. You could not save yourself and therefore you cannot follow Him either by your will power in keeping a commitment or a promise.

You have a lot of nerve saying that to me.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Okay now will you repent?

You need to repent, for you added the daily part. We are supposed to die to the sins of the world when we come to Jesus.

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The race is still on for why you are not perfect yet so that is why it is daily.

Did not Jesus taught His disciples this daily prayer?

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Look at why below.

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Look at what Jesus sad to Peter when he had asked this question;

Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

What do you think you have disproved by saying all these things when you preach against me for preaching we have to obey!

See why you need to be ready to forgive your bother as much as the Father will forgive you of your trespasses aka sins.

Matthew 18:23-35 KJV Just click on that scripture link if you wish to read it but somehow I doubt that you will.

Keep laughing. John the Baptizer was the only one that requires repenting from sins in getting his kind of water baptism.

I gave you scriptures where JESUS preached to repent of sins, AND SO DID PAUL.

John did not say all sins either but he did address the ones the Pharisees were avoiding but they were seeking his water baptism anyway. So guess what? His water baptism doesn't work if the Pharisees were just doing it for show and not doing true repentance of sins in having his water baptism.

What? So you just admitted we have to repent of our sins.

But Peter said to the Gentiles that believing in Him is how you receive the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost but you chose to ignore that cause and effect on how the Gentiles were actually saved in Acts 2:43-48 KJV

Are you kidding? Peter says to repent, which is about SINS.

37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

 

[God's Truth]

Then explain what Peter said to the Gentiles. Acts 10:43-48 KJV I do not see the call to repent from all sins.

Luke 24:46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


The Gentiles Hear the Good News

34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all 37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 5:31
God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.


Acts 17:30
Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent.


Repenting is about SINS.

There are many scriptures that tell us we have to repent of SINS.

Read what Paul says in Romans 16:25-27.

Now to him who is able to ESTABLISH YOU BY MY GOSPEL AND THE PROCLAMATION OF JESUS CHRIST, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE PROPHETIC WRITINGS by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL NATIONS MIGHT BELIEVE AND OBEY HIM–to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.


Paul says that God made the prophetic writings (the old testament scriptures) known so that all nations might believe and obey. So again, the word of God tells us that faith comes from hearing the message and Paul teaches what we are supposed to obey.

And by believing in Him and His words about how they are saved by believing in Him is the power of God in salvation to save those that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Now you repent of your false teachings, brother.

Paul was saying he was not sent to baptize, he said that because he was glad no one was saying they were baptized unto him, like they did the others, in particular Peter and Apollos.

Apollos was Paul's helper and Paul preached the word (planted the seed) and Apollos did the watering (he did the water baptisms).

1 Corinthians 3:1Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? 4For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere men?

5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. 7So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 9For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.

 

[God's Truth]

You may pride yourself as self taught as if not taught by others but that can be your undoing, brother.

No way am I self taught, Jesus is my Teacher.

I am just showing others how to have Jesus as the Teacher.

 

[GodB4Us]

James taught that it was wrong to believe in faith alone.

No. Read it again. James was addressing another abuse of the church towards the poor and that was sharing their faith TO the poor about faith in God to provide TO the poor WITHOUT the church leading by example TO the poor for why the church's faith in God to provide is dead in the eyes of the poor that the church's faith will not "profit" the poor nor save the poor that are about to perish from the elements & starvation. It is in plain black and white English that James was never talking about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works in order for us to be saved by grace, brother.

James is speaking about that.

No, he was not.

Without works of the law, which are the purification/ceremonial works.

Did he mention purification works? No. So those even more contrary to you can say James was also defending salvation by what you do in purification works too and not just by your work of "obeying" as if by your will power & strength alone.

You are speaking against what is written, for James uses many examples of faith without works and it wasn't just about the poor.

You are doing exactly what every believer has been taught to do and that is apply James words as going contrariwise against Jesus's words and Paul's words that works are required for salvation when it is not. Works are required for discipleship in running that race, but even then, we are to look to Jesus Christ to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son as we can only live this reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ in being our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

That place James is referencing is about Abraham's faith in God to provide because that is what Abraham named that place Jehovah-jireh to be what kind of faith he was talking about and that was God provides for His servants, You are missing the forest by the trees.

You can't hide from what is said from Peter in the Holy Bible.

Look at what he is saying.
He heard of the false faith alone misunderstanding, and then he warns people to obey.

Show the actual scripture that says that, brother. From what you had earlier referenced from 2nd Peter, it can also be applied to you and your teaching which you do not believe in God enabling believers into following Him. So then tell me how the Lord is your strength. You can't when you do not believe in God giving special enabling power for us to follow Him.

Paul explains it too.

Not the way you apply it to mean.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

That is in regards to sowing to the works of the flesh after salvation. Believers seeking to be His disciples, are warned not to do that or else stripes will be coming as that scourging entails that per Hebrews 12:1-13.

James 1:16 Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters.

Trying to connect "do not be deceived" in James 1:16 with 1 Corinthians 6:9 when it is warning believers away from fornication is not wise in trying to make that point as if James was talking about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation needing works. Saved believers are to show fruit unto repentance by looking to Jesus Christ for help as their Good Shepherd to lead them away from temptation and deliver them from the evil one. It is part of that daily prayer to the Father.

James 1:22 Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves.

And then James went into chapter 2 about the abuse the church was doing to the poor by how they were not doers of the word but hearers only.

 

[GodB4Us]

Grace is that we don't have to go to an earthly temple and go to priest and have lambs sacrificed for us and us bring animals to sacrifice and no more circumcision and special diet and various external washings...
Grace is by faith now meaning we just have to have faith that Jesus purifies us now and not the blood of lambs, for he is the Lamb sacrificed once and for all.

That also means no more works required for that salvation, brother. It is finished in that regard as well.

Grace is that after I confess and repent to Jesus and receive his Spirit, I am reconciled to God.

Acts 10:43-48 testifies that it is by believing in Him is how you had received the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If you had to confess and repent from all sins first, then the Holy Ghost would not be considered a gift but a payment for your work done.

You go against our doing anything that Jesus says to do to get saved.

Jesus had explained to Nicodemus on how we are born again and that was to occur after His ascension which was after His crucifixion so that when any one believes in Him, they are saved.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

If we are to confess and repent from all sins first, then we could tell when one is born again, right? But Jesus said no.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? <----- Good question but now pay attention to His answer.

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. <------ He said it for when that born again of the Spirit was to happen. After His ascension.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: <----- He said it again; after His crucifixion

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. <------ Plain English, brother.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. <----- He said it twice in how we are saved simply by believing in Him

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. <----- Jesus said this so you cannot deny this truth any more.

That means you go against Jesus telling us to repent of our sins, and how to prepare our hearts for him to live there.
You go against the very way to get saved and to stay saved.

God does the preparing by remitting our sins by our believing in Him.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

That is why discipleship is important after salvation because there are consequences to sowing to the works of the flesh which is to be denied by Him and left behind to die when they get a chastening from the Father so that when their spirits are with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for their resurrection after the great tribulation, they will not do those past iniquities ever again. Therefore we are to move on to perfection, trusting Him to finish what He has begun in us.

It is very serious and I have been trying patiently to explain it to you and you just keep repeating the same false things your false teachers taught you.

Jesus taught me.

That is some mumbo jumbo your false teachers say.
I trust everything that Jesus says.
Jesus says repent of your sins or perish.
Do you trust that?

Your problem is mixing discipleship with salvation. Are you running that race, brother, or are you under the delusion that you are perfect now since you were saved and that you had never sinned after salvation? If so, why is it you do not call your salvation into question if you insists one has to know what sin is to repent from all sins before you are saved? If that was not done with you & I do recall you saying you had found out later on other sins you needed to repent of, then how can you know you are saved when you did not repent from all sins the first time? So you need to rethink how you are teaching because salvation comes first by believing in Him and discipleship is afterwards but it still involves faith because you are to look to Him for help in laying aside every weight & sin daily in running that race as His disciple to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House.

You aren't making any sense.

Do ask Jesus for help to understand me and His words I have applied towards you because only He can help you understand as I will be praying for you as I hope others reading this will pray for you too.

 

[God's Truth]

Do ask Jesus for help to understand me and His words I have applied towards you because only He can help you understand as I will be praying for you as I hope others reading this will pray for you too.

lol
Jesus doesn't give understanding to those who don't obey him.

 

[GodB4Us]

lol
Jesus doesn't give understanding to those who don't obey him.

But you claim you do obey Him. So ask Him.

You may just find out that you are not really obeying Him nor doing Him service as Saul had thought he was on the road to Damascus where contrary to your post, Jesus revealed Himself to him. Saul got a pretty big understanding in that moment in time that he was not serving God by persecuting Christians and he wasn't obeying God first at that time either as you seem to insist that is necessary for any one to be saved by Jesus Christ by repenting rom all sins.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus taught me.

You have teachings from men, and it is obvious.

Your problem is mixing discipleship with salvation.

lol
How do you ever get that there is a difference?

Are you running that race, brother, or are you under the delusion that you are perfect now since you were saved and that you had never sinned after salvation?

When a person comes to be saved, to be able to be a child of God, to be reconciled to Him...
They have to come to Jesus and confess of their sins and repent of them, they are to die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus by obeying him.

Jesus gives his Spirit...lives in your heart himself...when you are then saved, accepted, reconciled to God,...at that time you are purified, washed, born again WITHOUT ANY SINS, you are then a NEW CREATION with a new heart and new spirit, AND THEN, you spend the rest of your life living UP TO THAT.

You live your life working out your salvation and TRAINING YOURSELF by obeying God.

If so, why is it you do not call your salvation into question if you insists one has to know what sin is to repent from all sins before you are saved?

A person has to know what sins they are doing. DON'T YOU BELIEVE THAT?

How are you going to NOT do those sins anymore if you don't even know what you did that was wrong to stop doing?

Think about that more, okay?

Really, think about that more.

I was NOT saved until I really looked at myself and saw that what I had been doing was sin.

Just saying yeah I believe in Jesus and people are sinners IS NOT ENOUGH.

If that was not done with you & I do recall you saying you had found out later on other sins you needed to repent of, then how can you know you are saved when you did not repent from all sins the first time?

I think you misunderstood me.
However, IF A PERSON KNOWS what their sins are, and confesses and repents of them, what sins are you leaving out and forgetting?
You definitely misunderstood me somewhere.

Let's say you confess for all your sexual sins, and for maybe let's say being a liar...

But you get saved and then realize later that you worrying too much is a sin too...so you later repent of that.

I am saying that if you repent of things and realize something later doesn't mean you made a mistake and aren't really saved now.

What you are centering on to try to go against the truth is just well, weird.

So you need to rethink how you are teaching because salvation comes first by believing in Him and discipleship is afterwards but it still involves faith because you are to look to Him for help in laying aside every weight & sin daily in running that race as His disciple to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House.

You aren't preaching and teaching what Jesus says you are going against him.

Jesus says plainly that you are NOT A DISCIPLE, or a FAMILY MEMBER and a FRIEND UNLESS YOU OBEY HIM.


We are not blessed, not a disciple, not a family member and friend if we do not do what Jesus says.


Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

John 8:31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples


So what does Jesus say to do to become blessed as a disciple, and a family member who is a friend?

HE SAYS TO REPENT OF YOUR SINS.

 

[God's Truth]

But you claim you do obey Him. So ask Him.

You may just find out that you are not really obeying Him nor doing Him service as Saul had thought he was on the road to Damascus where contrary to your post, Jesus revealed Himself to him. Saul got a pretty big understanding in that moment in time that he was not serving God by persecuting Christians and he wasn't obeying God first at that time either as you seem to insist that is necessary for any one to be saved by Jesus Christ by repenting rom all sins.

You are speaking this twisted ill stuff to me because I say repent of sins.

 

[complete]

You have teachings from men, and it is obvious.

lol
How do you ever get that there is a difference?

When a person comes to be saved, to be able to be a child of God, to be reconciled to Him...
They have to come to Jesus and confess of their sins and repent of them, they are to die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus by obeying him.

Jesus gives his Spirit...lives in your heart himself...when you are then saved, accepted, reconciled to God,...at that time you are purified, washed, born again WITHOUT ANY SINS, you are then a NEW CREATION with a new heart and new spirit, AND THEN, you spend the rest of your life living UP TO THAT.

You live your life working out your salvation and TRAINING YOURSELF by obeying God.


A person has to know what sins they are doing. DON'T YOU BELIEVE THAT?

How are you going to NOT do those sins anymore if you don't even know what you did that was wrong to stop doing?

Think about that more, okay?

Really, think about that more.

I was NOT saved until I really looked at myself and saw that what I had been doing was sin.

Just saying yeah I believe in Jesus and people are sinners IS NOT ENOUGH.


I think you misunderstood me.
However, IF A PERSON KNOWS what their sins are, and confesses and repents of them, what sins are you leaving out and forgetting?
You definitely misunderstood me somewhere.

Let's say you confess for all your sexual sins, and for maybe let's say being a liar...

But you get saved and then realize later that you worrying too much is a sin too...so you later repent of that.

I am saying that if you repent of things and realize something later doesn't mean you made a mistake and aren't really saved now.

What you are centering on to try to go against the truth is just well, weird.


You aren't preaching and teaching what Jesus says you are going against him.

Jesus says plainly that you are NOT A DISCIPLE, or a FAMILY MEMBER and a FRIEND UNLESS YOU OBEY HIM.


We are not blessed, not a disciple, not a family member and friend if we do not do what Jesus says.


Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

John 8:31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples


So what does Jesus say to do to become blessed as a disciple, and a family member who is a friend?

HE SAYS TO REPENT OF YOUR SINS.

Hello @God's Truth,

I am sure that no one doubts that you have a zeal for God, 'God's Truth.'
Yet you appear to reject what Paul says in Romans 3:21-28:-

'But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
.. being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
.... Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
...... unto all and upon all them that believe:
........ for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
.. Being justified freely by His grace
.... through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
...... Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation
........ through faith in His blood,
.......... to declare His righteousness
............ for the remission of sins that are past,
.............. through the forbearance of God;
................ To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
.................. that He might be just,
.................... and the justifier of Him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
.. By what law? of works?
.... Nay: but by the law of faith.
...... Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
........ without the deeds of the law.'
(Rom 3:21-28)

* Do you not believe this?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Subject heading:- 'Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be?'​

Hello @PloughBoy,

Concerning the wrath of God:-

He that cometh from above is above all:
he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth:
he that cometh from heaven is above all.
And what He hath seen and heard, that He testifieth;
and no man receiveth His testimony.
He that hath received His testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
For He Whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto Him.
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and He that believeth not the Son shall not see life;
but the wrath of God abideth on Him.'
(John 3:31-36)

'For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.'
(Rom 1:16-19)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Subject heading:- 'Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be?'​

Hello @PloughBoy,

Concerning the wrath of God:-

'Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
.. And walk in love,
.... as Christ also hath loved us,
...... and hath given Himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God
........ for a sweet-smelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness,
.. let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
.... Neither filthiness,
...... nor foolish talking,
........ nor jesting,
.......... which are not convenient:
............ but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know,
.. that no whoremonger,
.... nor unclean person,
...... nor covetous man, who is an idolater,
........ hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
.......... Let no man deceive you with vain words:
............ for because of these things
.............. cometh the wrath of God
................ upon the children of disobedience. (Ephesians 2:2) -( the unbeliever )
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
.. For ye were sometimes darkness, (Ephesians 2:2)
.... but now are ye light in the Lord:
...... walk as children of light:
........ (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth )
.......... Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
............ And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,
.............. but rather reprove them.
For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
.. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light:
.... for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
...... Wherefore He saith,
........ ' Awake thou that sleepest,
.......... and arise from the dead,
............ and Christ shall give thee light.'
See then that ye walk circumspectly,
.. not as fools, but as wise,
.... Redeeming the time,
...... because the days are evil.
........ Wherefore be ye not unwise,
.......... but understanding what the will of the Lord is.'
(Eph 5:1-17)

Gracious Lord! Merciful Father! Thank you for your grace!
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[*Lavender]

Hi God's truth

Hope you are well today.
There is this
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:17
How do you interpret this?