Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be

[God's Truth]

I have made close to 2,000 posts and anyone can see what I say we have to do to get saved.

GodB4Us is not telling the truth about me when he says I preach that we have to stop doing of all our sins before we come to Jesus and before we believe in him.

He needs to prove it or stop saying it.

 

[God's Truth]

When someone wants to be saved, to be a child of God's, to be reconciled to God, then they are to come to Jesus and do what he says as is taught in the Bible.

Jesus tells us exactly what to do when we want to be saved.

We have to repent of our sins.

Everyone has to repent of their sins before they can be saved, even the Apostle Paul.

 

[GodB4Us]

When someone wants to be saved, to be a child of God's, to be reconciled to God, then they are to come to Jesus and do what he says as is taught in the Bible.

Jesus tells us exactly what to do when we want to be saved.

We have to repent of our sins.

Explain how you did that.

The way you had posted here below is the same message you claim I was bearing false witness of, but you are saying the same thing here about Saul.

Saul was NOT saved on that road to Damascus.

He was only saved after repenting of his sins.

If Paul would have been saved for just believing, then he would have been saved on that road but he was not.

By saying he was saved AFTER repenting from his sins is the same thing as saying he has to repent from his sins BEFORE he can be saved.

And again from that same post;

God's Truth said:
We have to obey.
When anyone wants to be saved, then they have to DIE to the sins of the world.

You put salvation on the sinner to die first to the sins of the world before they can be saved. So it is no different from that one post where you had cited to repent from all sins first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ and never once did you correct me then when I had disagreed with you on that point.

You kept arguing against believing in Him as if I am advocating that a saved believer can continue to live in sin after he is saved which I never did. They are still saved if they did, but they will get stripes for it by the Father and get left behind if they are still living on the earth for when the Bridegroom comes and so there is a dire need to run that race in being His disciple by looking to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily or else risk losing crowns and being a castaway,

 

[God's Truth]

Explain how you did that.

The way you had posted here below is the same message you claim I was bearing false witness of, but you are saying the same thing here about Saul.

NOT TRUE. Show where that says we STOP ALL SINS BEFORE BELIEVING IN JESUS.

 

[GodB4Us]

NOT TRUE. Show where that says we STOP ALL SINS BEFORE BELIEVING IN JESUS.

Why don't you prove that your quotes # 150 & # 153 are not saying that? Plain as day. You must be in denial and so I am dropping it.

 

[God's Truth]

By saying he was saved AFTER repenting from his sins is the same thing as saying he has to repent from his sins BEFORE he can be saved.
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We DO have to repent of our sins BEFORE we get saved!!!

You are trying to fool the Reader by saying that.

YOU SAID I PREACH THAT WE HAVE TO STOP ALL OUR SINS BEFORE BELIEVING IN JESUS!!!

 

[GodB4Us]

@PloughBoy

Your thread "Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be?"

Proverbs 21:16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.

 

[God's Truth]

You put salvation on the sinner to die first to the sins of the world before they can be saved. So it is no different from that one post where you had cited to repent from all sins first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ and never once did you correct me then when I had disagreed with you on that point.

You kept arguing against believing in Him as if I am advocating that a saved believer can continue to live in sin after he is saved which I never did. They are still saved if they did, but they will get stripes for it by the Father and get left behind if they are still living on the earth for when the Bridegroom comes and so there is a dire need to run that race in being His disciple by looking to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily or else risk losing crowns and being a castaway,

You have a lot of words instead of saying you spoke untruths about me.

What I said is not "like" saying I said your twisted weird stuff you claim I said.

 

[GodB4Us]

We DO have to repent of our sins BEFORE we get saved!!!

You are trying to fool the Reader by saying that.

YOU SAID I PREACH THAT WE HAVE TO STOP ALL OUR SINS BEFORE BELIEVING IN JESUS!!!

So you are stuck on "stop all our sins" as if you never said that? How about this below which I see as the same thing.

God's Truth said:
We have to obey.
When anyone wants to be saved, then they have to DIE to the sins of the world.

How can the emphasis on the sinner dying to the sins of the world does not incorporate all sins? How is that not stopping all sins first before they can be saved?

Whenever I mention how Jesus will save sinners from their sins, you seem to see that as a special enabling that God will not do at their salvation without saying so for surely you refuse to acknowledge this truth and kept on arguing for obeying is required on the sinner.

 

[GodB4Us]

You have a lot of words instead of saying you spoke untruths about me.

What I said is not "like" saying I said your twisted weird stuff you claim I said.

You certainly do not like to be backed into a corner with your words and its meaning and so I am dropping it.

No point biting and devouring one another since we are in disagreement anyway as well as among other issues of faith, let alone your belief that God is a One Person God expressing Himself as the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.

 

[GodB4Us]

@PloughBoy

Again your question:

Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be?​

Blessed are your eyes that do see and your ears that do hear. How's that for an answer?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

NO.

See that what you are preaching, it is what I explained to you that which Luther and many others teach that is false.

They preach that we cannot repent of our sins unless Jesus changes our heart first.

That would be the equivalent to that of Jesus saving you BEFORE YOU come to him and confess and repent of YOUR SINS.

Jesus says we have to repent of our sins first.

Brother, I believe it a mutual process. Both working in harmony.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

See that, you detoured from what Jesus says.

Jesus: Repent of your sins.
You: No, Jesus, I can't do that, make me do it.

That is not what I'm saying brother.

I'm also saying repent of your sins.
Meaning make a choice, make a decision to repent(turn) from sin.

However, that state of the heart, does not immediately change. You are giving the Holy Spirit,
but the work of sanctification, by which you grow in Holiness is a process.
Since your heart does not immediately change, that means that although people should and DO repent
sins (make a choice to turn), they may continue to sin because the work of sanctification by which
the heart is changed continues. I know you are aware of the scriptures where Paul talks about
His battles with sin, He cries "O wretched man that I am". Are we to say that Paul did not repent
because he still struggled with sin? Of course not. I believe Paul did repent, but the struggled
continued.

So I agree with you that we should make a choice (freewill) to repent (turn from sin),
yet in turning, we don't immediately stop sinning(which I think is your definition of repentance.

I think you are defining repentance as stopping sinning, and I'm defining repentance as turning
from it (and that turning does not immediately stop you from sinning.

Remember what I shared,
We are saved from the penalty of sin, (justification) -- Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth
being saved from the power of sin, (sanctification) -- workout your salvation with fear and trembling
and will be saved from the presence of sin (glorification) -- At the 2nd coming of Christ when corruptible puts on incorruptible,

 

[GodB4Us]

Jesus says we have to repent of our sins first.

@Jesus_is_LORD

I am quoting him because I am not sure how he can deny that he is saying this at all.

Has any thing I had posted to him was wrong in this thread in how he was posting and what he is meaning by his posts?

 

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@God's Truth
@GodB4Us

Well you have had your way, your voices have been heard. You have highjacked the thread in order to do so, and you have still reached no point of agreement. Do you realise how selfish you have been. If you have an issue with each other, why don't you start a thread of your own in order to battle it out. You have derailed this thread and disregarded the wishes of it's originator for your own ends.

 

[God's Truth]

You certainly do not like to be backed into a corner with your words and its meaning and so I am dropping it.

No point biting and devouring one another since we are in disagreement anyway as well as among other issues of faith, let alone your belief that God is a One Person God expressing Himself as the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.

You said falseness about me and won't repent of it.

Why would I expect you to repent of doing wrong though, when you won't even do it when Jesus tells you to.

 

[God's Truth]

@God's Truth
@GodB4Us

Well you have had your way, your voices have been heard. You have highjacked the thread in order to do so, and you have still reached no point of agreement. Do you realise how selfish you have been. If you have an issue with each other, why don't you start a thread of your own in order to battle it out. You have derailed this thread and disregarded the wishes of it's originator for your own ends.

You are a false accuser too. I have not done anything wrong. You would rather these threads be dead with only a few posts from yourself? That is not how an active site works. Stop falsely accusing me.
What kind of person reads a member calling me a devil and says nothing about it, but falsely accuses me of doing something wrong when I defend myself and talk about obeying Jesus?

I'll tell you who, you. It is something Calvinists and faith alone people do.

 

[God's Truth]

That is not what I'm saying brother.

I'm also saying repent of your sins.

No you are not.

Meaning make a choice, make a decision to repent(turn) from sin.

You said a person cannot unless Jesus changes your heart.

However, that state of the heart, does not immediately change. You are giving the Holy Spirit,

What? "You are giving the Holy Spirit"?

Do you mean we are given the Holy Spirit?

WE. DO NOT. RECEIVE. The Holy Spirit before we REPENT OF OUR SINS.

but the work of sanctification, by which you grow in Holiness is a process.

When a person is saved, they are then purified, made perfect and holy, and sanctified.
Then they live their new life living up to that which they received.

Since your heart does not immediately change, that means that although people should and DO repent
sins (make a choice to turn), they may continue to sin because the work of sanctification by which
the heart is changed continues.

When a person comes to Jesus to get saved they come to the cross and die to sins with him!!!

I know you are aware of the scriptures where Paul talks about
His battles with sin, He cries "O wretched man that I am". Are we to say that Paul did not repent
because he still struggled with sin? Of course not. I believe Paul did repent, but the struggled
continued.

Paul WAS NOT SPEAKING about HIMSELF like that after he was saved---he did NOT continue to do only evil.

So I agree with you that we should make a choice (freewill) to repent (turn from sin),
yet in turning, we don't immediately stop sinning(which I think is your definition of repentance.

You think wrong.
You can't see past what Luther and Wesley people say.

I say only what Jesus says.

Jesus says repent of your sins or perish.

I think you are defining repentance as stopping sinning, and I'm defining repentance as turning
from it (and that turning does not immediately stop you from sinning.

Wow.
Repent of sins means to change your mind about sinning.
We have to repent of our sins to Jesus when we want to be saved.

Remember what I shared,
We are saved from the penalty of sin, (justification) -- Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth

Jesus wasn't slain until he was slain.

being saved from the power of sin, (sanctification) -- workout your salvation with fear and trembling

That is AFTER you are SAVED and have REPENTED OF YOUR SINS.

and will be saved from the presence of sin (glorification) -- At the 2nd coming of Christ when corruptible puts on incorruptible,

No one is saved unless they repent first, and then they have to live their life training themselves and working out their salvation.

 

[God's Truth]

Brother, I believe it a mutual process. Both working in harmony.

No such thing in the scriptures that you say.

Jesus' words are forever.

That is a serious thing.

 

[God's Truth]

You certainly do not like to be backed into a corner with your words and its meaning and so I am dropping it.

No point biting and devouring one another since we are in disagreement anyway as well as among other issues of faith, let alone your belief that God is a One Person God expressing Himself as the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.

I do no such thing, but you do.